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WillParkinson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-21-09 11:20 AM
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Withers: Anti-gay marriage foes don’t take the challenge
Withers: Anti-gay marriage foes don’t take the challenge
James Withers
By James Withers, contributing editor, 365Gay Blog 08.21.2009 9:11am EDT

It was an easy set up. Chicago Tribune columnist Steve Chapman contacted thinkers and writers who have penned a lot of words on the ills of gay marriage and asked them to make predictions of what social problems will happen in Massachusetts, Connecticut, Iowa, Vermont, Maine, and New Hampshire now that those states have marriage rights.

You would think that given an opportunity to warn of the apocalypse would have these folk jump at the chance, but alas heavy hitters like Maggie Gallagher and Stanley Kurtz demurred. I’m surprised at Kurtz and will give him a pass. He is the only marriage rights foe I can think of who does not come from the topic with anti-gay animus.

http://www.365gay.com/blog/082109-anti-gay-marriage-foes-dont-take-the-challenge/
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Prism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-21-09 02:52 PM
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1. Gallagher did
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ZTY5MmJiNzJlZTRiMzBkMjhlMGMyMDAxMzQ0YWVmY2Y=">Here

It's just a laundry list of "Verily shall we be persecuted for our religious beliefs." You know, that horrible future where people like her won't be able to openly express their bigotry without the rest of the society treating them like bigots. I do like her list, though. All the things she counts as negatives I think of as positives.

1. In gay-marriage states, a large minority people committed to traditional notions of marriage will feel afraid to speak up for their views, lest they be punished in some way.

2. Public schools will teach about gay marriage.

3. Parents in public schools who object to gay marriage being taught to their children will be told with increasing public firmness that they don't belong in public schools and their views will not be accomodated in any way.

4. Religous institutions will face new legal threats (especially soft litigation threats) that will cause some to close, or modify their missions, to avoid clashing with the government's official views of marriage (which will include the view that opponents are akin to racists for failing to see same-sex couples as married).

5. Support for the idea "the ideal for a child is a married mother and father" will decline.


She made a sixth prediction that once gay marriage is legal, LGBTers won't take advantage of it in any numbers. Naturally, she ignores that heterosexuals are bothering about marriage in decreasing numbers, and that LGBTers who never had any expectation of the institution will be less likely to participate in. It would take an entire generation of LGBT youth raised with all the rights and expectations of marriage that their straight peers have in order to see numbers level out.
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Iggo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 12:45 PM
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2. I like your last sentence there.
I tell my girls about segregation in schools and restricted neighborhoods and the women's liberation movement and they look at me like "Please tell us you're joking."

Maybe it will take an entire generation raised in a country where gay people are granted the same civil rights as everyone else.

Of course, as a country, we're not there yet...

BTW: Gallagher's #5 made me spit my coffee. Um...yeah...duh! :spray:
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 03:25 PM
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3. So to summarize, "Change bad, my opinions good."
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