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FreeState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-10-10 04:46 PM
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Boxturtle: No, the SF study did NOT illustrate that half of gay marriages are “open”
Edited on Wed Feb-10-10 04:48 PM by FreeState
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.... The study was conducted in several phases and the details of each is not available, but the sampling methods were consistent. The breakout for Study 2 found that only 13% of participants identified as being married (perhaps the 2004 San Francisco variety) and only a third had made any sort of public commitment.

It is ludicrous to suggest that a study which includes three month long relationships without any public commitment is informative about marriage. The average length of the relationships was 7 years (more or less) but the median length was about three years earlier (half of the relationships were less than 4 years in length), suggesting that there were a few very long relationships and many much shorter ones.

The way this study has been reported, it has been suggested that gay relationships are more likely to be open than straight relationships, but no comparison was made and I’m not aware of any study that looked at the level of fidelity in three-month-old heterosexual relationship and pretended that they were representative of straights as a whole.

As the research was not applied separately by relationship structure or length, this study says nothing about gay marriage or even domestic partnerships. And any use of the results which makes (or even implies) a comparison to straight relationships is bogus and irresponsible.

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The demographics of the sample:

For two of the studies, 41% of the participants were HIV positive (Study 3 had 32%). While this may be advantageous to a study which seeks to look at sexual agreements, it is not representative of the population of San Francisco, and has almost no reflection of the gay male population at large. Only about 12% of gay men in the United States are infected with HIV.

While this is undoubtedly useful for looking at variances of agreement structure among sero-concordant and discordant couples, claiming a blended rate of monogamy as though it were reflective of the community would be bad science.

This study found that couples which were both HIV negative were far more likely to establish monogamy than those in which one or both parties were positive. So by significantly over-representing HIV positive participants, the percentage who embrace monogamy were skewed downward.

About half of the sample had a bachelors degree (more than 20% had a post-graduate degree). Yet only about 43% were employed full time, with another 10-12% employed part time and 9-12% self employed. I don’t know whether there is a correlation between employment and valuing monogamy, but I think that we can all agree that 35% unemployment is not reflective of gay men as a whole, especially in the mid 2000’s when the participants were questioned.

About half of the men made less than $30,000 per year, with only a quarter making over $60,000. The average salary for San Francisco Bay Area jobs is about $65,000 and it is absurd to assume that gay men make, on average, less than half of their heterosexual counterparts.

I do not have adequate research at hand to correlate gay male monogamy (or fidelity) with employment or economic position. However, I believe that social position can influence relationship structure so it is a reasonable assumption that a study which is skewed towards a lower economic status may not accurately reflect the extent to which gay male couples as a whole value monogamy.
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lightningandsnow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-10-10 04:53 PM
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1. In the words of Seinfeld, even if it did....
not that there's anything wrong with that.

Open/polyamorous relationships can be healthy, loving, stable and enriching. I know because I've been in them.

I suggest everyone, gay, straight, or bi, monogamous or not, should read "Opening Up" by Tristan Taormino. It really shows you the diversity out there when it comes to relationships...and how truly solid some of these relationships can be.
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FreeState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-10-10 05:24 PM
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2. I agree with you - there is nothing wrong with open relationships
however there is something wrong with twisting studies to stigmatize a whole population.
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Toasterlad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-10-10 08:37 PM
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3. Nothing Wrong With an Open Relationship.
I realize that you agree, and that you're just trying to correct an incorrect assumption that people are making about this study. However, this is a pet peeve of mine.

It annoys me when gay people or GLBT allies become defensive when it is suggested that GLBT people are more "sexually adventurous" (to put it nicely) or "immoral" (to put it less than nicely) than straight people. In such situations, the normal reaction is to claim that gay people are just like everybody else.

This is true, but not in the way that it is typically meant. Gay people ARE just like everybody else, which means that whatever they choose to do with another consenting adult (or another and another and a few more) is nobody else's concern. No straight person is EVER confronted with his sexual conduct without explicit cause, and no gay person should be, either. The correct response to such an assumption of wild sexual frivolity should be "Who gives a shit?", not "Gay people are just as capable of monogamous, committed relationships as straight people".

Frankly, not all that many straight people ARE capable of monogamous, committed relationships, and certainly no more so than gay people. So how about we stop pretending that monogamous, committed relationships are the zenith to which everyone should aspire, and just agree that everyone should just mind their own fucking business?

I do not want my equality to be based on an assumed acceptance of hypocritical social mores. I want it based on the fact that every human being is equal, no matter who he or she is screwing.
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sui generis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-11-10 09:55 AM
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4. I heart toasterlad
perfectly said Mr. Lad.
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-11-10 09:56 AM
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5. Tiger Woods.
end of thread.
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-11-10 01:42 PM
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6. Sadly, this will still be misused.
It isn't just right-wing nutbags that will buy into the whole "gays aren't committed" propaganda, some allies and gays will as well. It shouldn't matter one or the another, if the relationship is consenual why should anyone give a fuck how they conduct their relationship?
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IntravenousDemilo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-11-10 07:15 PM
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7. 12 per cent of gay men in the US are infected with HIV?
Edited on Thu Feb-11-10 07:19 PM by IntravenousDemilo
Really? One in eight? Seems rather high.
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