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WillParkinson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-11 11:55 AM
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Cumming Slams Everett and Chamberlain 'Think about a little gay boy in WI or lesbian in AR"
Cumming Slams Everett and Chamberlain
By Advocate.com Editors
ALAN CUMMING 201101 X390 (GETTY) | ADVOCATE.COM

Alan Cumming says Rupert Everett and Richard Chamberlain are “irresponsible” for suggesting that actors hoping to one day be leading men should stay in the closet, saying they should “think about a little gay boy in Wisconsin.”

The star of The Good Wife was referring to comments by the actors suggesting Hollywood isn’t ready for a gay leading man. Chamberlain told The Advocate he “wouldn’t advise a gay leading man-type actor to come out,” while Everett told the BBC he “never got a job” in Hollywood after coming out.

"I think it's so mean-spirited," Cumming said. "If you're living a lie, that's not healthy, and I think it is really irresponsible of and Rupert to say these things."

When asked if he thought they made a point, Cumming responded: "But it's not about your work. It's about how you exist as a person in the world, and the idea that your work is more important than you as a person is a horrible, horrible message. I always think about a little gay boy in Wisconsin or a little lesbian in Arkansas seeing someone like me, and if I cannot be open in my life, how on earth can they? Anyway, it's an academic question: how can you know ? Some people get less work than others and it has nothing to do with sexuality."

http://advocate.com/News/Daily_News/2011/01/25/Cumming_Slams_Everett_and_Chamberlain/
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-11 12:01 PM
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1. by everett and chamberlains' line of reasoning then
Edited on Tue Jan-25-11 12:01 PM by xchrom
actors should never take on roles like million dollar baby, boys don't cry, brokeback mountain, etc

it's just stupid.

if a leading man or woman is -- let's say in the george clooney, angelina jolie range of charisma and sex appeal - who is going to care?

oh there will always be stupid detractors -- but sex appeal + good work wins every time.
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-11 12:04 PM
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2. If "gay" means "homosexual", like the dictionary says
and "homosexual" means "someone who practices homosexuality; having a sexual attraction to persons of the same sex" then this makes no sense.

All kids are sexually curious. That doesn't make them gay or straight.
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cate94 Donating Member (573 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-11 01:20 PM
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3. What?
Why do you need a dictionary definition?

In fact, did you ever "try" gay sex? Are you gay? Are you heterosexual? Are you bi? When did you decide?

Crap. For some reason I find your post offensive. Am I misreading it?

Most people who are gay know that they are gay without "experimenting" which is not to say they don't try to be straight because of those who try to dehumanize them.
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-11 01:26 PM
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5. I think you're misreading it.
Edited on Tue Jan-25-11 01:36 PM by wtmusic
Kids don't come out of the womb understanding sexuality, or knowing what "gay" or "straight" means. They really don't (I know, I have two).

Ascribing any kind of sexuality (beyond curiosity) to young kids strikes me as perverse.

onedit: I agree with you, but a bad choice of words
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Creideiki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-11 09:34 PM
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7. How young is young?
At 7 I knew that I liked Han more than Luke and both of them more than Leia.

But I'm so glad to have someone come here and let us know what scares them.

Boo!
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-11 11:36 PM
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8. Did you want to have sex with Han?
Of course not. Boo!
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cate94 Donating Member (573 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-11 10:37 AM
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10. I guess I didn't misread it.
And it looks pretty bigoted.

The fact that you have 2 kids does not give you the knowledge of when a kid knows they are gay or not.

I don't have any kids. Just 13 nieces and nephews and 8 greats. Obviously, I couldn't have any knowledge of young kids.:sarcasm:

BTW, one of the great nephews wanted to be a girl when he was 2. He is now 7 and still wants to be a girl. His favorite toy is Barbie and he likes to play princess. He still doesn't know what sex is but I guess he knows he isn't like the other boys. (And one of the lovely parents of a kid he played with already called him gay and won't let his kid play with my nephew anymore.) And his parents are one of the few remaining Catholics in my family. They make him wear a crew cut and Superman jammies. And despite trying to keep him away from the Barbies, they are still his favorite toy.

BTW, I also knew I was a lesbian before I had sex with anyone, and it wasn't the sex that made me that way. It is innate. And the fact that I tried to be something else didn't make me straight.

It is perverse to think that concern over the self esteem of children, equates to sexualizing children. It does not. It is perverse to think GLBT's should hide who they are- or pretend to not be who they are
because others don't like it. That is perverse.
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cate94 Donating Member (573 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-11 01:24 PM
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4. I think Alan Cumming is exactly right.
Living a lie is unhealthy and it is irresponsible to suggest anyone should stay in the closet.
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qb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-11 01:31 PM
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6. I agree with Alan Cumming. Rupert Everett is such a whiner.
from his profile at IMDb.com:

Rupert Everett, Actor (55 titles)

2011 Hysteria (filming)

2010 Wild Target
Ferguson

2009 St Trinian's II: The Legend of Fritton's Gold
Camilla/Captain Archibold/Fortnam Fritton

2007 St. Trinian's
Camilla Fritton / Carnaby Fritton

2007 Stardust
Secundus

2007 Shrek the Third
Prince Charming (voice)

2006 Tikhiy Don (TV series)

2006 Quiet Flows the Don
Grigory

2005 The Chronicles of Narnia: The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe
Mr. Fox (voice)

2005 Boston Legal (TV series)
Malcolm Holmes
– Schadenfreude (2005) … Malcolm Holmes
– The Black Widow (2005) … Malcolm Holmes

2005 Separate Lies
Bill Bule

2004 Sherlock Holmes and the Case of the Silk Stocking (TV movie)
Sherlock Holmes

2004 A Different Loyalty
Leo Cauffield

2004 Shrek 2
Prince Charming (voice)

2004 People
Charles de Poulignac

2004 Stage Beauty
King Charles II

2003 Dangerous Liaisons (TV mini-series)
Vicomte Sébastien de Valmont

2003 To Kill a King
King Charles I

2003 Mr. Ambassador (TV movie)
Ambassador Ronnie Childers

2002 The Wild Thornberrys Movie
Sloan Blackburn (voice)

2002 Unconditional Love
Dirk Simpson

2002 The Importance of Being Earnest
Algernon 'Algy' Moncrieff

2001 South Kensington
Nick

2000 The Next Best Thing
Robert Whittaker

1999 Inspector Gadget
Sanford Scolex

1999 A Midsummer Night's Dream
Oberon

1999 An Ideal Husband
Lord Arthur Goring

1998 Shakespeare in Love
Christopher Marlowe (uncredited)

1998 B. Monkey
Paul Neville

1997 My Best Friend's Wedding
George Downes

1996 Dunston Checks In
Lord Rutledge

1994 The Madness of King George
Prince of Wales

1994 Prêt-à-Porter
Jack Lowenthal

1994 Remembrance of Things Fast: True Stories Visual Lies

1994 Strelyayushchiye angely

1994 Cemetery Man
Francesco Dellamorte

1992 Inside Monkey Zetterland
Sasha

1990 The Comfort of Strangers
Colin

1989 Tolérance
Assuerus, aka Horace Walop

1987 Hearts of Fire
James Colt

1987 The Right Hand Man
Lord Harry Ironminster

1987 Gli occhiali d'oro
David Lattes

1987 Chronicle of a Death Foretold
Bayardo San Roman

1986 Duet for One
Constantine Kassanis

1985 Dance with a Stranger
David Blakeley

1985 Arthur the King (TV movie)
Lancelot

1984 Another Country
Guy Bennett

1984 The Far Pavilions (TV mini-series)
George Garforth
– Part One: Return to India (1984) … George Garforth
– Part Three: 'Wally and Anjuli' (1984) … George Garforth

1984 Real Life
Tim

1983 Princess Daisy (TV movie)
Ram Valenski

1983 Dead on Time (short)
Bank Customer/Blind Man

1982 The Agatha Christie Hour (TV series)
Guy
– The Manhood of Edward Robinson (1982) … Guy

1982 A Shocking Accident (short)
Jerome and Mr. Weathersby

1982 Play for Today (TV series)
Boy at party
– Soft Targets (1982) … Boy at party

1982 Strangers (TV series)
Lord Plural
– The Lost Chord (1982) … Lord Plural
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-11 12:11 AM
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9. Alan Cummings is dead on
n/t
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