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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-11 07:48 PM
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Judge Rules Texas Transgender Man's Marriage Valid
A Dallas County judge has declined to void the marriage of a transgender man to a woman — an outcome far different, and more positive for trans people, from that in some high-profile Texas cases.

Judge Lori Chrisman Hockett last week refused to nullify the marriage of James Lee Scott and Rebecca Louise Robertson; Robertson had sought the nullification on the basis that Scott was born biologically female and Texas does not recognize same-sex marriage, the Dallas Voice reports. She instead ruled that their breakup should proceed as a divorce — which will allow Scott, who is physically disabled from scoliosis, a chance at a fair share of the couple’s property, said his lawyer, Eric Gormly.

“To our knowledge, this is the first time any Texas court has ruled that a transsexual man who marries a biological woman is in a legitimate marriage,” Gormly told the Voice.

Scott and Robertson separated in 2010 after 12 years of marriage. When they married, Robertson was fully aware and supportive of Scott’s transgender status, according to court records. He has undergone hormone therapy and surgical gender-reassignment procedures, although not a phalloplasty, which the Voice describes as “an expensive, imperfect and dangerous procedure.” He has obtained a corrected birth certificate from his native state of Iowa identifying him as male. But Robertson petitioned in September 2010 to have the marriage voided, and Scott filed a counterpetition for divorce in February.

http://www.advocate.com/News/Daily_News/2011/12/02/Judge_Rules_Texas_Transgender_Mans_Marriage_Valid/
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inademv Donating Member (738 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-11 07:50 PM
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1. So would it be invalid if the man got another gender change? n/t
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-11 08:09 PM
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2. Why do you ask that?
Are there lots of folk who re-assign that you know of?

Could you provide links that show people re-assign on a whim based on - oh say divorce or what ever.
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inademv Donating Member (738 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-11 09:31 PM
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3. I'm wondering that if they ruled it valid
would they suddenly change their minds if the man went, for whatever reason, and got a change back to a woman. If no, then what's the point in considering the current gender of either person at all? Why not just allow same sex marriage without the hassle? If yes, then that is some almost comical hypocrisy.
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beyurslf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 04:22 AM
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4. How can you read the comment above and think they are bashing transgenders?
They are asking if a hetero couple gets a sex reassignment does that make the marriage not valid since they will be the same gender. It is pointing out the hypocrisy of banning marriage for some. Geez! Does everyone in this forum constantly just want to find a reason to believe that every comment is meant to degrade or humiliate?

I left my cookies at home--i don't wanna go to the pity party.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 05:37 AM
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5. because people who go through trans don't usually do it lightly?
there have been some cases of reversing but they aren't many.
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beyurslf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 12:41 PM
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6. He wasn't seriously saying the guy should do that. He was using an analogy to show how
hypocritical laws banning same sex marriage are. I don't see how you can read it any other way unless you are looking to be offended. This is why I seldom post in this forum. People want to be offended here and look for ways to point out things that are not there. Most people who come to this site, don't hate us. Most people who post in the LGBT forum don't hate us. And most people who make insensitive comments here do it out of ignorance not hate. Most people can tell the difference.
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inademv Donating Member (738 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 05:32 PM
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7. I thought religion/theology was the board
where people go to be offended.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 06:49 PM
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8. Do you see the problem here? When you trans - you are THAT gender.
Edited on Sat Dec-03-11 07:29 PM by xchrom
It is NOT same sex marriage.

If you were male - you are no longer.

Every thing - except maybe your birth certificate changes.

Everything.

Gay & trans are not the same thing.
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inademv Donating Member (738 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-11 01:06 AM
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9. THAT'S EXACTLY MY POINT HOLY CRAP
What is the point of banning same sex marriage if they are going to grant legitimacy to something that CAN be changed on a whim such as one's gender, and at what point of the reassignment would the person be considered by them to be one gender or the other? How are you having so much difficulty wrapping your head around this discussion?
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-11 06:45 AM
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10. because as i understand it -- trans folk are not L or G.
if they are straight -- it's not a same sex marriage.

& i don't think there is much whim there.
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inademv Donating Member (738 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-11 10:16 AM
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11. I'm not saying there was whim
nor am I commenting on the sexual preference of the people in the story. I'm posting a hypothetical situation in which one person of a same sex couple gets a sex change, or says they did, gets married by the same standard the couple in this story did, then the person who had the reassignment surgery goes back.

Seriously, why am I having to explain this to you?
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-11 10:28 AM
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12. hypothetical is what usually gets people in trouble.
Why use a hypothetical and post on the actual story?
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inademv Donating Member (738 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-11 11:01 AM
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14. Because the hypothetical illustrates
how stupid it is to discriminate marriage rights based on gender.
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-11 10:33 AM
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13. I've seen your post & believe you to be a reasonable poster.
I would hope you feel the same way about myself.

One cannot deny that in this forum going on past experiences, yes it's prudent to be cautious. I took it the same way xchrom did. Maybe I read to much into it but transgender is different than Gay marriage.

Peace
Bill
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