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kweerwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-02-06 09:15 PM
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Fighting terror with gay porn
Gay porn may not be everyone’s cup of tea, but the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) claims that military interrogators at the Guantanamo Bay military base in Cuba are using it as a form of torture. ACLU released declassified government documents Feb. 23 showing that FBI officials objected to some military interrogation tactics used against detainees in the War on Terror, claiming that the tactics could elicit inaccurate and legally inadmissible information. One of the documents, an e-mail from an FBI agent who observed detainee interrogations at the base, claimed that one of the many tools in the interrogators’ arsenal was gay porn.

“Last evening I went to observe an interview of with . The adjoining room, observable from the monitoring booth, was occupied by 2 DHS investigators showing a detainee homosexual porn movies and using a strobe light in the room. We moved our interview to a different room!” read the e-mail in part. The names of the sender and recipient were redacted, as was the date the e-mail was sent.

Strobe lights and gay porn might sound like a great night out for many Bay Windows readers, but the ACLU argues that forcing detainees to watch it during interrogation sessions amounts to prisoner abuse.

“Forcing anyone to watch gay porn against their will or watch any kind of porn against their will needs to be opposed… What we see is a continued pattern of abuse by the U.S. officials that are holding people prisoner down there,” said ACLU spokesperson Erica Pelletreau. She pointed to sections of the same e-mail describing other tactics such as wrapping detainees in the Israeli flag, cranking up the air conditioner, and playing loud music for long periods. The e-mail says interrogators subjected detainees to these tactics for 16-18 hours at a time.

http://www.baywindows.com/ME2/dirmod.asp?sid=&nm=&type=Publishing&mod=Publications%3A%3AArticle&mid=8F3A7027421841978F18BE895F87F791&tier=4&id=1EE30EC43F074092B14CE9130EFA043D

I'm confused. Does this mean that the soldiers from Fort Campbell who were busted for appearing on a gay porn web site were really just doing their part (so to speak!) to get prisoners to talk?
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Ignacio Upton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-02-06 09:19 PM
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1. Save the detainees from Jeff Gannon
:evilgrin:
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JWS Donating Member (298 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-02-06 09:59 PM
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2. From bush's own personal library?
think about it.
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Rowdyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-02-06 10:02 PM
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3. Torture? Hell, I usually fall asleep at least once watching gay porn!
I usually agree with the ACLU but if this is their idea of torture, then, perhaps, they need to reconsider their priorities. Americans face SERIOUS challenges on civil liberties on every corner and the ACLU is worried about Arabs being forced to watch man on man sex? Give me a break!

Cheesy dialog? Sure! Shitty lighting? No problem! Zero plot line? We are here to please! Hideous, repetitive nauseating music? We can do no less!

Torure? No. I'd don't care about cultural differences, this simply doesn't rate as torture in my book.

Now if I was in charge of selecting the videos, I could convert the entire Al Quaeda network through careful selection and proper setting.

Victory over Al Qaeda, one man at a time. :evilgrin:
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-02-06 10:14 PM
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4. threatened by Jeff Stryker
that would scare me (in a nice way)
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swimmernsecretsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-03-06 02:56 AM
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5. Uh, yeah. Torture.
What twisted people the DHS investigators are. I'd love to joke about how I would love to be tortured this way, but what this means is that the US has lost it's way.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-03-06 08:15 AM
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6. Would any gay people feel tortured by watching straight porn?
Edited on Fri Mar-03-06 08:16 AM by IanDB1
If this has the effect of "torture," then it is only because someone installed the buttons to make it feel like torture in the first place.

Someone has to brainwash people to see porn-- gay or otherwise-- as torture, or else it won't work.

Unless there are subtleties of the technique that I am missing.

In any case, at least 10% of the detainees are only pretending the gay porn is torturing them. "Oh, no! Not the gay porn! Anything but the gay porn! And please, I beg you, not 'Shaving Private Ryan' again!"

You do realize that if any of us are captured and tortured, we're all going to have to watch re-runs of "Small Wonder" and "Dukes of Hazzard" in a room with a strobelight.
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swimmernsecretsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-03-06 02:39 PM
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9. Well, probably not unless
Edited on Fri Mar-03-06 02:39 PM by swimmernsecretsea
You're referring to the US, where porn, especially on the internet, is so pervasive and mainstreamed that many children tend to be less shockable and able to deal with explicit images than their parents. For an Iraqi detainee, or a citizen of some of the Gulf regions or Third World nations whose religious convictions and cultural teachings let alone lack of experience dealing with explicit porn, gay or straight, would cause great discomfort, it would be torture. That's one of the reasons why they were forced to expose their bodies and touch other members of the same sex and be photographed doing so. It was known that they would experience shame, and the shame would break down their dignity.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-03-06 12:20 PM
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7. wow -- these guys must really not be cooperating
if their forcing them to watch gay sex.
oooohhh scary!
:crazy:
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sui generis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-03-06 12:28 PM
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8. well there is some gay porn out there that is SO bad it is
torture to see.

Actually if you want to use film for torture, there are plenty of things much worse than gay porn that you could force them to watch. Seventh Heaven, Dawson's Creek and anything with Tom Cruise in it come to mind.
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