The DNC is desperately afraid of a "scene" in Denver

We need to be there in force to embarass the shit out of them, for all the dirty deals done to Gays this past year by the DNC and the presumed candidate. I say March on Denver.

a good idea. Nothing could help Obama's chances more than for the social conservatives of this country to see him as not being supported by gays. It might be the first useful thing my people have done since the eighties.

as a "Sista Solja" moment anyway. He's so fond of us.

I guess that was what-a photo-op?

His speeches that allegedly "called out" black churches on their homophobia would have been right at home at "ex-gay" religious services, about how Christians should "hate the sin but love the sinner."

When it comes to the GLBT community, Obama is a bigot, pure and simple.

despite being a stench in God's nostrils. Gotta soak up all the tolerance and affection that I can in this vale of tears before I check in to Hell for my eternal stay. Thanks, Barack, for caring.

What Obama actually said and did--which was to be the first serious presidential candidate to stand in a church and condemn homophobia--doesn't fit in with the view you want to take, so you throw it out and create a completely new reality. You're not making accurate judgements--you're just spinning and creating a bubble, no different from the right wingers.

Do gays deserve to have access to the institution of marriage:

“I’m a Christian. And so, although I try not to have my religious beliefs dominate or determine my political views on this issue, I do believe that tradition, and my religious beliefs say that marriage is something sanctified between a man and a woman,”

"I will tell you that I don't believe in gay marriage, but I do think that people who are gay and lesbian should be treated with dignity and respect and that the state should not discriminate against them. So, I believe in civil unions that allow a same-sex couple to visit each other in a hospital or transfer property to each other."

That would be a "no". But thanks for the dignity and respect.

"Marriage has got historic, religious and moral content that goes back to the beginning of time, and I think a marriage is as a marriage always has been, between a man and a woman." - Hillary Clinton, opposing same-sex marriages, quoted in The New York Daily News

Cool. So explain again to me why Obama is better for gays than Hillary is. Would seem that there isn't much to choose from between them.

And by the way, I don't support either one. Suffice it to say that I'll be voting Democratic in the GE, I don't much care who for.

I've already got my new sig designed and ready to go: A photo of the nominee with the caption, "Well, at least it's not John McCain." Because, really, that is about the only nice thing I can say about either Clinton or Obama.

We are a minority within a minority on this one. It gets pretty lonely sometimes. I'll never understand the passion that these two wastes of space generate, especially Obama.

Several of his speeches regarding gay rights have been publicised, either as video or as transcripts. Perusal of these speeches shows a very striking resemblance to the official dogma of Exodus International and other "ex-gay" Christian groups.

Respectfully, I assert that you are ignorant of what such groups actually say. You may wish to educate yourself on the matter; you will find that Obama's speeches are indistinguishable from similar speeches given by ministers prominent in the "ex-gay" movement.

His actions say he is not a friend and his language was apparently supposed to day he was. WRONG!

If by she obtains the nomination by some strange glitch in the matrix.

more liberal, just too pragmatic and politically calculating, Bill would, in a heartbeat.

there needs to be some kind of dust up on someone be it Chaiman Dean or candidate Obama IMO. A pie in Donna Brazile's face would be nice.

I'd do my best to be there

Hillary doesn't base her anti -gay ideas on religious grounds, strictly political from what I get. Barack on the other hand has religious compunctions against us, a harder nut to crack, and his distaste for gays is tangible.

Obama has never walked in any public gay pride event. I would love to see a picture with him walking in a pride parade. Hillary has walked and can be seen in many public pictures during pride parades.

From http://www.answerbag.com/q_view/585082

I'm reading distaste from Obama. I'm reading from Hillary that she's open, but she and Bill got badly burned over the military integration issue, also. In addition, Chelsea went on the Philadelphia gay pub crawl. So it's less disdain and more gunshy there. She's got the "softening" figures, at least, while Obama is sorely lacking in those.

Neither is as positive on the issue, even, as Al Gore, who once backed the federal DOMA.

“Gay men and women ought to have the same rights as heterosexual men and women — to make contracts, to have hospital visiting rights, to join together in marriage, and I don’t understand why it is considered by some people to be a threat to heterosexual marriage…”

So if Rachel Maddow's 3rd hour cohost David Bender is correct and the result of the Obama-Clinton catfight is that Gore becomes the nominee, we'd be far better served. (Hey, a boy can dream, can't he? :) )

then some other word that indicates that her regard for us goes as far as her political calculus will allow, and is not based on principle.

And, regarding the military integration issue, if I remember correctly, Clinton took up that one on his own. I don't remember there being much of a lobby within the gay political structure for it, anyway. I could just be old and forgetful, though.