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One_Life_To_Give Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 01:15 PM
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School helps girl student change to boy
Eagle Tribune

METHUEN -- A fourth-grader who was attending Comprehensive Grammar School as a girl before the February break returned to school this week as a boy.



I applaud the parents and the school system. But I think the right wing pundits heads are about to explode over this.
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mockmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 01:43 PM
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1. This is awesome
If my SO had been allowed this at that age it would have been so much easier for him.

I truly believe that since we are made up of chemicals and electrical impulses why is it so hard to believe that there can be a variety of gender. Too many people are afraid of things that are not black and white or should I say blue and pink?

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Zenlitened Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 01:50 PM
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2. Wow. Sounds like a very sober-minded approach...
... to a VERY difficult situation.

Hats off to the grown-ups here, for they way they're addressing the issue.
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mockmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 02:20 AM
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3. Now I know what they mean by
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 02:51 AM
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4. Can I tell you how much that thread PISSED ME OFF!
Man, my partner's a tg butch and the shit that s/he goes through is out of control. Hell, the shit WE go through is out of control. That anti-trans thread pissed me off so much.

Boy, they don't know the difference between being a tomboy and being a fuckin boy. I hope this child leads a happy life whatever he decides to be when he grows up. And kudos to these understanding parents.
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One_Life_To_Give Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 10:00 AM
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12. When I first read about
a "Sister" not receiving further proper medical treatment. After the medics discovered she had a appendage. I couldn't beleive it. But thank GD for opening my eyes.
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Duncan Grant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 03:19 AM
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5. Even with all the fear and ignorance in the thread -
there are some great voices of sanity and reason.

I hope the next time I'm faced with the task of reasoning with ignorance, I do as well. That's all I should say about this until my adrenaline level stabilizes.
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 04:19 AM
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7. Well, I'm really angry now
Because my comments about how my partner was discriminated against were deleted. I guess I didn't take their insults sweetly enough. I'm not supposed to get mad when people equate my partner's gender with bestiality.

I even gave a list of books to read on the subject of trans issues. Deleted. Sigh....
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Duncan Grant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 05:14 AM
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8. psssst -
Sometimes I just have to post with a civil tone (even when I don't feel like it). :pals:

I always enjoy reading your posts, readmoreoften! Maybe posting a list of books like this would be helpful to others? ;)

Read Sexing the Body by Ann Fausto Sterling
Read Stone Butch Blues by Leslie Feinberg
Read Spirit and the Flesh (book about native american TRANSGENDERED people)
Read African Homosexualities
Read Transgender Warriors

If you want to ask about the deleted post, you could use the Ask the Administrators forum for that. :hi:
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 05:56 AM
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9. he he he, you're awesome!
I think it's funny that it is more important how we say what we say than what we say. There is something a little unreal about that. If someone says... "all I was saying was that gay sex is equal in my mind to fucking parakeets, I have a right to my opinion, gosh..." then we are supposed to react calmly, "why good sir, I humbly defer! why my relationship is nothing like fucking parakeets, why we are two loving adults in a consenting relationship. I beg of thee, please give us a chance" as opposed to the more appropriate response, which is WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU, YOU'RE WORSE THAN HEADLICE!
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Lisaben2619 Donating Member (193 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 09:48 AM
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10. Bigoted comments from so-called "liberals" are so offensive.
It seems we skipped right to gay marriage and now we have a lot of allies (and some LGB folks, too) who have no working knowledge of gender identity issues. I'm not an expert, but I read as much as I can about gender id, roles, etc. so that I can, hopefully, stand in there and try to answer the tough questions. I am so sick of "our" folks arguing that we should have full access to human rights and dignity because most of us really look and act "normal".

I am so sad that many in our community, both the LGBTQA and progressives in general, continue to marginalize people who are different. If our face continues to be that of white, gay, mainstream-looking professionals, we may win the battle, but will certainly lose the war.

If getting full rights of marriage for myself and my partner of 18 years means becoming like "them", it won't be worth it.
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 10:38 AM
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13. I'm with you 100%
My partner is transgendered but not transsexual. s/he wants top surgery, no bottom surgery, and a low dose of t. s/he id's as butch/trans not male or female. I'm a femme who still IDs as a lesbian.

The other day a straight female acquaintance of mine said that transmen are 'mimicking' men. I said "They do. The same way you and I mimic women."

It is so exhausting. But I don't want any rights that don't include the whole community. All of us. Sink or swim.
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 04:00 AM
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6. I'm jealous, but
happy for him. I wish I could cross over easier as far as my physical appearance. I'm too feminine to pass as a man, but I really think I am one on the inside. Does anyone know of a psychiatrist in NC who is open to such issues?
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One_Life_To_Give Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 09:56 AM
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11. Link to original story
The original linked page updatres daily. And does have a follow-up story.
The original article can be found at Eagle Tribune Archived Story


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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-05 12:09 PM
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14. Thanks. I'm taking the liberty of posting a little snip
Edited on Sat Mar-05-05 12:11 PM by nothingshocksmeanymo
School officials said they are accommodating the family's request and, so far, other children seem to be taking the change in stride, though some parents have called with concerns.

The child's parents sent a letter to family and friends explaining the decision to let their child grow up as a boy.

The mother said this morning the decision was made in consultation with medical professionals but her child has not undergone any medical procedure to change his sex physically.

"My child has the brain of a boy," said the mother, who asked that her family not be identified.

"This is not a decision made in a vacuum," she said. "There have been a lot of medical professionals who have confirmed it."

The mother said that her child has never identified as a girl.

"Obviously in the beginning we dressed him as a female," the mother said. "When he began identifying at 2 (as a male), he was ripping the dress off his back."


What frustrates me most about the thread in GD, is that there are people who actually HAVE children on that thread advocating that the child be medicated which is HUGELY invasive, or that the child be made to deal with it in some other manner that makes NO exceptions for the child's freedoms and every exception for appearances or force from the environment, thereby making NATURE and NURTURE unavailable to the child.

These parents watched their child literally SUFFER with this and acted in a manner LEAST invasive.

The kids take it in stride, the parents become fearful.

I applaud the courage of these parents in making sure their child is free to be.

For all the lipservice paid to freedom in this country, some people just don't seem to recognize a genuine case of it when they see it.

It's very disappointing to see the bigotry displayed towards this courageous choice on an allegedly progressive board.

IF we aren't being trolled then we have great cause for depression. This is our comrades.
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