If this post gets me banned, then so be it....

If marriage can be put to a vote and decided that traditional marriage is the way it should be then I want traditions enforced for everyone.

Inter-racial marriage should be outlawed. It's a sin to allow the races to mingle and ruin gods perfect work.

Slavery should be instituted again. After all, for many years it was traditional for people to own other people. (Please note: When I say slavery I don't mean any particular group of people. I don't care if they're Polish, African American, Mormon...whatever. I just think that if we can afford them we should be able to purchase them as slaves.)

I think that death should be the punishment for marriages that don't work out because of infidelity.

I think that men should be allowed to have multiple wives. It worked out well in the bible.

I think that women should stay in the home where they belong, barefoot and pregnant and raising the man's children as they were meant to. It is traditional after all. Oh and, of course, women shouldn't be allowed to vote.

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My rights as a human being should not be open to debate. They should not be put to a vote.

If my rights can be put to a vote I believe it behooves us to ensure that ALL rights are put to a vote. Because you know for a fact that many people would probably sign a petiiton to outlaw inter-racial marriage, especially if you say you're doing it for the children.

To those people who have told me the last couple of days to calm down or I need to see the big picture, or we have reason to celebrate because we have a friend in the White House....just don't. OK? You're fooling yourself if you think Obama is a friend to the gays. He is a politician and he will do whatever is politically expedient, up to and including tossing us under the bus again if it serves his needs at the time. As for calming down and seeing the big picture? Your big picture means nothing to me. I voted for my life, not your causes. So sorry if my life is an inconvenience for you but it seems to have benefit to me.

If this doesn't meet with your approval? Don't care anymore.

it's in the god damn Constitution.

such as Scalia, Thomas, Alito, and Roberts doing that do you? And if you don't want them doing it, then how are we going to decide what exactly constitutes equal rights and what doesn't?

they have correctly interpreted it before, such as the anti-sodomy law in Texas which they struck down as being unConstitutional (14th Amendment). Similarly, the California Supreme Court also has a decent track record, so I think it would be a good thing to take it to the courts - which some are doing now.

I am a native speaker of English. I don't need the Constitution 'interpreted' for me.

The phrase "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws." seems quite unambiguous to me.
Nothing in there says "unless we find them 'icky'" or "no poufters"; it covers EVERYBODY.

I'd rather the laws of this country be based on a fairly straightforward 18th century document rather than a poorly translated (interpreted?) bronze age text.

--MAB

that it's even legal to put stuff like this to a vote?!? :shrug:
:wtf:

which I wouldn't be crazy about either.

is the expectation that our party will support us as people.

We are not asking for lower taxes, we are not asking for your money, we are not trying to take anything away from anybody, we did, however, expect support from the same people that voted up ticket, to vote for the Prop8 that affected a basic human right. Our right to be married legally.

Two problems: They don't, and the other party is far worse.

Kind of like having to decide between the oubliette and the guillotine.

I am so sorry.

:hi:

This issue will be decided in the courts, not the voting booth. Ultimately, it may go to the Supreme Court. Given the two choices of McCain and Obama, who do you think is more likely to appoint justices who will see this as a civil rights issue and not a religious one? I don't agree with Obama on everything either, but my civil rights would suffer tremendously under a McCain administration, and so would everyone's.

it will decide this issue as basic civil rights.

We got a consitutional convention question (to get around our own state court's decision giving equal rights to marriage)defeated here in CT. I am so grateful that we did, even tho I am straight. There is no place in any society I want to live in for this kind of bigotry.

And keep fighting.
Equal marriage is a fundamental human right, but that does not mean that we are going to get it without a fight.

Homophobia is a hysteria directed at the other. Right now, gay is way behind terrorist as the ultimate other.
We won't get the essential right to be recognized as the partner of another unless we fight for it.
165 years ago, African Americans were so much the other that they were not regarded as fully human.
As of this week, an African American is president-elect.

This is really closer than you think.
We are at the 'then they fight you' stage of Gandhi's progression.
Next we win.

And who cares if I approve of your opinion? You have a right to yours.

Egad.

I completely agree. It isn't just about just about marriage, GLBT rights is about equal rights. It is about job discrimination, it is about adoption rights, it is about the right to visit a sick spouse/partner without fear of not being recognized as a family member, it is the right to have your employer extend the same health care benefits to your loved ones, it is about being treated equally under the law. There should be no question about it.

Just serially, not in parallel. We are asshole deep in serially polygamy in this country. My Congresswoman is now on her third husband. Almost every "family values" blowhard you can name goes through wives faster than I go through cars.

"all men (and women) are created equal". Rights should not be subjected to a vote by hateful people.

During the campaigning on Saturday one woman gave me a great opening - she had been ranting on about how we should just stay hidden (assuming that all of us were gay) and then said she wanted to go back to the old days

I just asked "What old days would those be? The ones before women could vote?". She had the good grace to be obviously surprised by the question, and instantly aware of all of its implications.

Think marriage is too sacred for queers? Then you're going to love this: adultery should be a criminal offense (it's in the Bible, you hypocrites) and divorce should be severely restricted.

I would happily ally with the religious extremists to make this happen.

edit: Great post, Will! K&R

and a civil rights lawsuit. And maybe the answer is civil unions for everyone, like in France. Most churches are not ready for same sex marriage ceremonies, but if the standard for marriage was a civil union, with the marriage repeated in church for those so inclined, that would level the playing field. This issue is a basic one to the separation of church and state--the province of a church should be implementing the words of Jesus, not legislating the restriction of civil rights.

The goal has never been to require churches to conduct gay marriage.

the state should be making that definition, and if gays are excluded, that IS a civil rights issue.

... for not performing same sex marriages.


That was exactly the sort of thing that caused swing voters to desert No On 8, and ultimately vote yes.

An attack on two people guilty only of loving one another. To deny them the right to marry is reprehensible. To justify hate by cloaking it in conservative religious doctrine is the great perversion of God in our modern time. Shame on those who support a ban on love. History will judge you harshly.

There's nothing like putting things in perspective. Until all of us are afforded the rights guaranteed in the Constitution, none of us deserve them.

I feel that everyone who voted for that bullshit needs to have their life put to a vote. If they want everyone to live by some bullshit tribal laws from 2,000 years ago let's go all the way, starting with them. First fundie in Walmart polyester gets stoned to death. Go to Red Lobster, get put to death.

Come on, you can't pick and choose, fundies! Do what George Carlin said, put the shit on Pay Per View and balance the budget with the proceeds.

He would have loved that. :D

:D

to the woman's father.

1 Samuel 18

23And Saul's servants spake those words in the ears of David. And David said, Seemeth it to you a light thing to be a king's son in law, seeing that I am a poor man, and lightly esteemed?

24And the servants of Saul told him, saying, On this manner spake David.

25And Saul said, Thus shall ye say to David, The king desireth not any dowry, but an hundred foreskins of the Philistines, to be avenged of the king's enemies. But Saul thought to make David fall by the hand of the Philistines.

26And when his servants told David these words, it pleased David well to be the king's son in law: and the days were not expired.

27Wherefore David arose and went, he and his men, and slew of the Philistines two hundred men; and David brought their foreskins, and they gave them in full tale to the king, that he might be the king's son in law. And Saul gave him Michal his daughter to wife.


Sounds like as good a starting point as any to me...

Nothing like an old school wedding to clean-up the neighborhood.

This Prop 8 just goes to show that even though we have elected an African American as President, we are still living in the stone ages.

bigots.

Their skin color doesn't make them better OR worse than any other hate monger. A bigot is a bigot, regardless of race, religion, creed, national origin, or any other identifying factor. Just like no one group should be singled out, no one group should get a pass if they are the group that voted to strip rights away from other people.