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Holy Mother Church comes up trumps in the vileness stakes yet again. A gay Catholic bar owner denied a Catholic funeral because he was a gay bar owner. Clearly he should have chosen organised crime as his career. Words fail...

http://americablog.blogspot.com/2005/03/hateful-bigoted-catholic-leaders.html

edited to put proper link in, soz

There's no excuse for the catholic church to do that except pure homophobia. Big surprise that the church would be bigoted towards gay people, right?

The guy ran a BAR, for pity's sake. But it's a GAY bar, so no funeral for him.

More hateful bullshit from this church. Disgusting.

one of the comments on the link is a quote from a local paper telling how the diocese was transferring assets to avoid legal payouts on their little paedophile priest issue... nice.

of the university

if he wasn't, then I do

Personally I think it's monstrous.

it wants

it's a private religious organization

I don't think you want to see some homophobe buried from your local MCC do you?

the way i see it is that a Catholic man was denied Catholic burial on the grounds of his sexuality and/or the dubious nature of his business interests. In its own terms the Catholic Church is not a 'private religious organization': it's the congregation of the faithful, the huge, often sinful flock.

I'm (very unpractisingly) Catholic, so I see this as an outrageous piece of bigotry unmitigated by genuine theological or juridical issues that might offer up the kind of justification you mention.
Mind you, no canon lawyer I; you may be correct.

I'm in the UK and know nothing particularly of the MCC - here that means Marylebone Cricket Club, which runs cricket - but I would like to think that if for reasons of great strangeness a confirmed homophobe wished to be buried in the hallowed ground of an MCC, that Church would embrace the request. I'm not religious, but surely the message of forgiveness (I know, it makes me sick as well) is central to Christianity.

Also, the Catholic church is a massive world-wide concern, and denial of burial in its grounds is, if you'll forgive me, too significant a public message of rejection to be able to be put down solely to its right to bury who it wants.

If this reads badly, I apologise, and blame the mary jane. xx

I'm guessing that this guy didn't repent of being gay, as if one can really do that, and whatever else was seen as a sin by the church

getting forgiven for sins on your deathbed is the biggest racket that the Catholic Church has going. John Wayne was a deathbed Catholic. Once forgive, you're going to heaven. If you die unforgiven, you're going to hell. So says the Catholic Church

Just give up their non-profit tax exemptions and pay taxes on all that property.

If not, the rest of us are subsidizing the bastards.

drunken child molestor who had been wearing a clerical collar for 50 years, they would give him a funeral in their Diocese I'll bet!!!!!!

Apparently not, when it's in the hands of bigots. That's why I have lost all respect for organized religion. All it is is big business exploiting people's sincere spiritual needs.

and many have a gay priest behind that bar

They are proving their moral terpitude and utter lack of compassion.

I guess they believe in the "angry Jesus" -- and not the one who said "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."

No, these are the ones with rocks already in their hands, looking for targets.

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Well the Vatican and its all-knowing residents, called gay marriage a national tragedy as they were shuttling pedophile priests around from one church to another, so who gives a damn what they think is right and wrong? This isn't aimed at all Catholics, but the Vatican worships money and God, in that order.

at least that is what the local papers are saying.

And yes there was at least one porn filmed there (they rented out the space, the bar was only open a few days a week). Many places and bars have had porn filmed at them in San Diego - there are several large porn companies here (All Worlds Video, RAD Video etc).

Montage, the dance bar, is now closed for good. Im not sure about Re-Bar - its a leather cruise bar he baught about 2 years ago (formerly named Wolfs).

While I can see them saying no, they are a private religion, I think it is the most unChrist like thing I have seen in a while. Some how the Bishop has forgoten about half of what Jesus said in the New Testiment (thinks like oh, love compation and forgiveness).

Words escape me every time I read something like this.

It's hard to take them seriously on anything. They are awful.

And unfortunately they don't know this well enough. It wasn't bad enough that they spent all that money given to them by parishoners and charities to pay off child molesters that they moved from place to place while hushing up their accusers, they have to alienate a younger generation and a large portion of the population by rejecting them out of hand and dishing out insults to boot.

I recall being 15 years old and sitting through yet another boring mass with my parents when it came time for the sermon. The priest launched into a vicious, angry, anti-gay tirade which I've only seen with Fundamentalist preachers. For a youth who is questioning his sexuality and trying to find relevance for spirituality in his life, this turned me off the church. It wasn't the only thing, but it made me realize that my spirtual feelings would be wasted if I shared them in the Catholic Church. I know there are LGBT Catholic organizations, and if they've found a way to resolve the way the church has abandoned its followers, they have my most heartfelt best hope that they can turn the Church back from the path it has gone.

a part of the church anymore.