Gay infighting in California after Prop. 8

Seems our internal travails are making the national media. Can we calm down enough to unite?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27669478/

Calm down and it will be forgotten and go away until next election. The gay community has been told time after time, election after election, broken promise after broken promise, about how now is not the time, there are more important issues, next time, next time, etc.

Just like the civil rights movements took massive protests and riots, now is the time and it's way past due for every American to have equal rights.

I certainly don't mean we should just let it go and sink into a stupor. I also don't believe the "infighting" is a severe as this article would paint it. We are (still) experiencing the shock and pain of this defeat and it will take time to process that. In the midst of those emotions we're beginning to look at possibilities for the most effective strategies for the future. I do think we need to be aware of how the national media is portraying our pain. We don't want a false picture to give aid and comfort to the enemy.

with strong straight alliances. Look what happened with President Obama. His campaign started out with no money and little support, and now look. He's our next president, and he's idolized. He did it with a gigantic grass roots effort which encompassed the whole nation. Some really smart, calm but sharp planners and advisors, and people to plan how to gather donations, exposure on the media, etc., are needed for that.

Oh and don't underestimate the power of recruiting straights to fight this too. People that agree with civil rights, agree with civil rights.

is to loudly demand equal rights now - you only have one life, and this is it!

We continue the marches, peacefully, and raise a whole bunch of money to go to the legal fight (see my sig line).

Everyone puts a dollar or spare change into a collection bottle at each march, and we send it to www.nclrights.org.

except the Catholic Church, The Mormon Church, and the Evangelicals. They did this.

The voters were duped, but they went to the best sources they knew for information -- and they were lied to repeatedly.

I don't blame the No on 8 people at all. A campaign of lies from "religious leaders" is very hard to counter. They have a captive audience every week, sometimes twice or three times a week, to hammer home the lies and fear.

Coming out and talking about "hate" really offends some well-meaning people you want to attract to your side. So, it's kind of a dangerous ploy to lean too heavily on the hate angle.

The No on 8 people tried to run a positive campaign, but that always falls short in the face of a negative and mendacious campaign from the other side. The only other option was to directly attack the churches, but that's kind of self-defeating, because it drive the very people you're trying to convince into a strong defensive posture. It was a Catch-22 from the beginning.

I don't think the No on 8 people expected the flood of money from the Mormons. That really tipped the balance. The polls were showing a strong sentiment against 8 until the Mormons started shipping in money by the truck load from all over the country.

they have a right to be pissed -- and it will take some time to let some of it go.

but equlity movements in the lgbtiq community have been around for a long time.

and this isn't going to unravel us.

The important thing for all of us to remember is that great slogan from the civil rights era: Eyes on the Prize.

It will just take some of us longer than others to regain that focus. Continued mutual support can go a long way toward mitigating everyone's pain.

we get what we got on this msnbc piece.

Look at the picture they chosed to post. Nothing wrong with it from my perspective, but it does not look like the people I saw in the majority at the protest.

That's not what the people looked like in the threads here on DU GLBT.

It's appropriate that the ogranizers re-evaluate their strategy, I just wish the message was framed by us and not the media.

Just wondering, was there ever a press conference called from our organizers giving our analysis?

that is supposed to work in unison. I missed the memo. I didn't get the manual with my toaster. I'm not on the twitter alert network. My fax machine is down. I have no idea what the official gay agenda is today or what "we're" all supposed to be doing and saying.

And I like it just fine that way. Gay people disagreeing? Alert the media!

:P

gay code about our agenda. I have to wear an aluminum foil hat to decode it. :rofl:

Good morning. :hi:

You were apparently looking....umm...down, shall we say.:evilgrin:

Edit: Capitalization.

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in some quarters about the notion of "gay infighting".

The language is almost reminiscent of saying "Gay cat fighting...."

It couldn't be: "Anti Proposition 8 leaders re-evaluate strategy."

Now the media is tauting that @ss hole Mark Foley on the day of the first CT. marriages?

They do love to flog dissent. If I recall, the NYT and Newsweek, all covered the demographic differences and had commentary. This hit piece only played up division.

(Edited because my keyboard did it- it's a lousy typist.)

it's heeeere--

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x4445319

I just wiped the smile off of my Mormon neighbor's face. I told her, "I'll never forget what Mormons did to my beloved Constitution, and I will DEFINITELY never forget or forgive what was done to my GLBT friends." Then, I walked away.

the people who made ad decisions are a very small portion of the "glbt community" to be pointing fingers at.