I am Gay and in a very long term relationship

28 years. I cannot think of one nice thing to say about the bishop of Rome except "ciao baby". after being condemmed as in the culture of "evil", I am appalled at all the DU's excusing him and praising him. Against the war? why not forbid Catholics to participate?. I'm sorry to be the skunk at the party but tonite DU seems to be in a religious frenzy

The religious hierarchy of all denominations should heed this well: "Judge not, lest ye be judged".

Plus, how much human misery are his AIDS and anti-abortion policies responsible for?

Who cares that this old bastard, who has denounced use of birth control, a woman's right to choose, and wants to deny gays equal treatment, all while priests are molesting altar boys, dies?

thinks Bush is the Anti-Christ can't be all bad -

what did he do about it? ans: zilch
shades of Pius Xll.

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speak for yourself First amendment trumps psychosis.

He spewed hate against gay men when he should have been consoling victims of pedophiles--this is, in my mind, an awful sin.

Did some poor little Repuke Nazi fuckwad get his wittle feelings hurt? Good!

taken in by a global propaganda "noise machine" that puts our own MSM to shame.
Tonite, 20-20's John Stossell outlined two, and only two, ways of looking at JP2. These were the choices: 1 He is a "very holy man." 2. He is a "saint". Anyone waiting for a third category was outta luck. Thereupon followed a tedious segment on "how to become a saint" in the RC church.

If people want to cry, it would be more seemly to cry for dead Iraqis first; or for gay kids around the world whom his holiness has repeatedly defamed as "intrinsically disordered."

He's the reason I refuse to watch 20/20 anymore

especially after the hatchet job they did on Matthew Shepard a few months ago

but there is a time for everything. His legacy will be decided in due time. The good, the bad, and the ugly and there is some of each.

still cannot get over the "birth control" & "safe sex" thing.

If Catholics fought as hard to prevent the war as they did to fiddle with Schiavo's private medical affairs, we might not be at war or Kerry might have won.

Beyond that, as a woman and a homo, this man is directly responsible for policies that condemn people like myself. So until the bastard apologizes publicly (and, now, posthumously) he gets nothing from me. No well-wishing. No holier-than-thou, I wish you the best in your eternal reward although you would damn me to hell. I would wish him ill, but that would take way too much energy and we have far worse enemies. So in the end, I could give a rat's ass.

I don't support Log Cabin Republicans who would screw working hetero families and anti-war Dems; so I get a little irritated when those constituencies outwardly boo-hoo when people don't give a rat's ass about the pope's death.

Yes, and for the record: I won't give a rat's ass about Falwell's death either. Umm, no, scratch that. It'll make the sun shine a little brighter for about a minute.

You took the words out of my mouth (except I am gay and male).

I was born Catholic and had to leave the church behind. I hold no animosity, but am so disappointed in what he *could* have done vs. what he actually did.

as well as some bad things . . . at the time of his passing, I think the best attitude is gratitude and repect for the good things he did, and thankfulness that he won't be around to perpetuate the bad things any longer . . .

that's not to say, of course, that his successor won't follow his example . . . but that's another story . . .

What truly sucks is if you look back on the history of the Catholic church you find that they infact once supported gay rights which included marriage.

So much has changed in that church. And most of the changes have come since this Pope became the Pope.

I'm straight, but I believe you GLBT people are human too and deserve every single right that we straight people have.

I'm also Catholic. I will recognize our former Pope for what he has done to our Church, and his accomplishments, therefore praising him and mourning his death while noting his downfalls, in my opinion. He dug himself into holes a few times, for example calling gays the ideology of evil, and I thought that was one of the most bigoted statements I've ever heard, especially from someone who should really know an ideology of evil as the Nazis put him to work in early years.

So, please realize that though we may be praising him for great rule as one of our own as a leader and his accomplishments, don't forget we are FULLY AWARE of his downfalls as well.

that ideology of evil busimess , just infuriates me. I woulndn't piss on him if he were on fire. To think we get more scorn the chimp's lieing war. I notice there is almost a complete blackout on the subject in MSM ( along whith the blackout on chimpy's excellent foreign adventure)

I couldn't believe I read on another thread that somebody had said they respected the pope b/c he always meant well and truly believed what he stood for was right... :puke:

I reckon that somebody could say the same of the hateful radical cleric Fallwell, but I doubt there'll be a mushy, sentimental thread for him.

I see no difference in the two men: Evil people who project their evil onto others.

Others who truly believe(d) what they do/did is/was right: Hitler, the 911 hijackers, Bush*.

a long time ago.

why do we do that?

he apologised to the jewish community, so?
that was late in coming -- and quite simply the right thing to do.

he turns around and utters a comptely hateful remark about regarding gay folk -- and gets let off the hook.

for me it's been about lowering the bar -- somebody does what any child knows is the right thing -- and humanity goes apeshit over him.