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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 12:52 PM
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Supplements will not help you live longer, especially if you don't
understand the protocols used in studies that show their benefit. Much more at link:

http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2003/dec2003_special_delaying.htm



>>The question is, are the 60% of Americans now taking supplements going to live longer than those who don’t? An analysis of scientific literature indicates probably not. The reason is that few Americans are taking enough of the proper nutrients to duplicate the clinical studies showing that the diseases of aging may be preventable.*<<




>>1. Chronic inflammation.
Aging people suffer an epidemic of outward inflammatory diseases such as arthritis, but chronic inflammation also damages brain cells, arterial walls, heart valves, and other structures in the body. Heart attack, stroke, heart valve failure, and Alzheimer’s senility have been linked to the chronic inflammatory cascade so often seen in aging humans.*

2. Glycation.
It is well known that diabetics age prematurely, but even non-diabetics suffer from a devastating chemical reaction called glycation, where protein molecules bind to glucose molecules in the body to form nonfunctioning structures. Glycation is most evident in senile dementia, stiffening of the arterial system, and degenerative diseases of the eye.*

3. Methylation Deficit.
Cellular DNA requires constant enzymatic actions (methylation) for maintenance and repair. Aging cripples youthful methylation metabolism causing DNA damage that can manifest as cancer, liver damage, and brain cell degeneration.*

4. Mitochondrial Energy Depletion.
The cell’s energy powerhouse (the mitochondria) requires a complex series of chemicals to be present in order to maintain critical functions such as transporting nutrients through the cell membrane and purging the cell of toxic debris. Mitochondrial energy depletion can result in congestive heart failure, muscle weakness, fatigue, and neurological disease.*<<
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monmouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 12:58 PM
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1. Well that picked up my day, feel better already....lol.
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Locrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 12:58 PM
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2. good stuff
LEF is pretty on target. Although they stop short of anything that requires a prescription like IGF, Cortisol, Thyroid, etc.

But they have some great info and are usually spot on esp with regards to their FDA rants (heart disease, drug companies, etc)
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glowing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 01:04 PM
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3. If we could actually get it from our foods.. But alas.. HFCS, dyes,
microwaving produce, and GM foods.. its very hard to get the proper nutrients.. our bodies are starved in America for food that is our building blocks.
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 01:12 PM
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4. What we have today may be good enough for youth barring
IEM's and other genetic anomalies that affect how the body responds to its environment. What we need as we age is an entirely different matter altogether.
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glowing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 01:24 PM
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5. You are correct.. and it will take tons of education or should I say
re-education on health.. even by our Dr.s in their white pristine coats.
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Edward-M Donating Member (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 05:53 PM
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6. I disagre
If sick people use more supplements then they could help & statistically not show that benefit.
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 07:16 PM
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7. Welcome Edward... please explain what you mean about "sick"
people taking supplements cuz everyone knows that it is illegal to dianose, treat or whatever any disease with a dietary supplement.
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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 11:07 AM
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8. LMAO
Another ad. You just love that advertisement catal... I mean "magazine," don't you?

Every single statement they make in there has that little asterisk at the end. And what does that mean?

* These statements have not been evaluated by the FDA. These products are not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease.

The punchline, of course, is that you absolutely fear and despise "big pharma" because all they want to do is make money, yet you post this advertisement which - lo and behold - includes a link straight to the specific supplements you can buy from them.
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cosmik debris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 11:31 AM
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9. There are only three pathways to good health
Chelation Therapy/detox, homeopathy, and dietary supplements. Everything else is just a scam by big pharma to move money from your account to theirs.

Of course, diet and exercise play no part in good health because no one can profit from eating better and taking a walk now and then.



You knew this was sarcasm, but for those who don't know :sarcasm:
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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 11:38 AM
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10. I suppose amalgam filling removal falls under the first one, huh?
Sounds like you've got it all covered then - except for the link that you then sell those treatments from, all the while bashing big pharma for making money off of sick people! :rofl:
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 04:47 PM
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12. Nobody takes that stuff seriously,
Them Germans, you gotta love their sense of humor.


1: J Dent Res. 2008 Apr;87(4):349-53.Click here to read Links
Treatment of health complaints attributed to amalgam.
Melchart D, Vogt S, Köhler W, Streng A, Weidenhammer W, Kremers L, Hickel R, Felgenhauer N, Zilker T, Wühr E, Halbach S.

Centre for Complementary Medicine Research, Internal Medicine II, Technische Universität München, Munich, Germany. dieter.melchart@lrz.tum.de

The aim of the present study was to compare the reduction of subjective complaints by 3 treatment strategies in 90 "amalgam patients" whose complaints could not be explained by a medical or psychological disorder. The individuals were randomly assigned either to removal of dental amalgam only (removal group), or removal in combination with a "biological detoxification" therapy with high doses of vitamins and trace elements (removal-plus group), or participation in a health promotion program without removal of dental amalgam (no-removal group). Between baseline and month 12, the sum score of main complaints decreased by 3.5 (SD=2.2) points on average in the removal group as well as in the removal-plus group, and by 2.5 (SD=2.4) points in the no-removal group (p=0.152). Both removal groups showed a significant decrease in steady-state levels of inorganic mercury compared with the no-removal group. Thus, all 3 interventions were associated with clinically relevant improvements.



www.clinicaltrials.gov

Found 6 studies with search of: amalgam

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1 Active, not recruiting Health Effects From Removal of Amalgam Restorations in Patients With Symptoms Allegedly Related to Dental Amalgam
Conditions: Adverse Effects; Dental Restoration, Permanent
Intervention: Device: Removal of dental amalgam restorations

2 Completed The Children's Amalgam Trial
Condition: Dental Caries
Intervention: Device: Dispersed phase amalgam restoration /composite restoration

3 Completed Health Effects of Silver-Mercury Dental Fillings
Condition: Caries, Dental
Intervention: Device: Dental amalgam restorations

4 Not yet recruiting Teeth Dosimetry Determination
Condition: Radiation Tolerance
Intervention: Procedure: Exposure to irradiation (for example, dental X-rays)

5 Recruiting Levels of Bisphenol A in Urine and Saliva Following Placement of Composite Restorations
Condition: Dental Restorations
Intervention:

6 Not yet recruiting Clinical Evaluation of Esthetic Restorations Placed in Primary Molars With Composite Resin Enriched With Insoluble Anti Bacterial Nano Particles
Conditions: Dental Carious; Dental Filling
Intervention: Device: dental restoration
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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 05:14 PM
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13. There are quacks in other countries
I love how you think quoting an internaional woo gives you more respectability. It does not. With the world wide web you can find all sorts of magic theories everywhere!
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cosmik debris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 05:18 PM
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14. You cited the Children's Amalgam Trial
#2 on the list you posted.

Here is the conclusion of that study

CONCLUSIONS: In this study, there were no statistically significant differences in adverse neuropsychological or renal effects observed over the 5-year period in children whose caries were restored using dental amalgam or composite materials. Although it is possible that very small IQ effects cannot be ruled out, these findings suggest that the health effects of amalgam restorations in children need not be the basis of treatment decisions when choosing restorative dental materials.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16622139?dopt=Abstract


Did you see that "no statistical difference"?
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cosmik debris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 05:26 PM
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15. You cited "Health Effects of Silver-Mercury Dental Fillings"
Edited on Mon May-05-08 05:31 PM by cosmik debris
#3 on your list.

Here is the conclusion of that study:

CONCLUSIONS: In this study, children who received dental restorative treatment with amalgam did not, on average, have statistically significant differences in neurobehavioral assessments or in nerve conduction velocity when compared with children who received resin composite materials without amalgam. These findings, combined with the trend of higher treatment need later among those receiving composite, suggest that amalgam should remain a viable dental restorative option for children.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16622140?dopt=Abstract


Did you even bother to read the citations you posted?

They certainly don't support a position against amalgam.

You also cited 4 studies that are not complete. What do you expect to prove with incomplete studies?
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 05:34 PM
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16. Yup, and now I know that you do too.
1: Environ Health Perspect. 2008 Mar;116(3):394-9.Click here to read Links
Renal effects of dental amalgam in children: the New England children's amalgam trial.
Barregard L, Trachtenberg F, McKinlay S.

Department of Occupational and Environmental Medicine, Sahlgrenska University Hospital and Academy, Gothenburg, Sweden.

BACKGROUND: Mercury is nephrotoxic and dental amalgam is a source of mercury exposure. METHODS: Children 6-10 years of age (n = 534) with two or more posterior teeth with caries but no prior amalgam restorations, were randomized to one of two treatments--amalgam or resin composite (white fillings)--used for caries treatment during 5 years of follow-up. The primary outcome was change in IQ, but important secondary outcomes were effects on markers of glomerular and tubular kidney function: urinary excretion of albumin, alpha-1-microglobulin (A1M), gamma-glutamyl transpeptidase (gamma-GT), and N-acetyl-beta-d-glucosaminidase (NAG). These markers were measured on several occasions during the trial, together with urinary mercury and covariates. We evaluated the results using repeated-measures analyses. RESULTS: There were no significant differences between treatment groups in average levels of renal biomarkers, nor significant effects of number of dental amalgams on these markers. There was, however, a significantly increased prevalence of microalbuminuria (MA) among children in the amalgam group in years 3-5 (adjusted odds ratio 1.8; 95% confidence interval, 1.1-2.9). Most of these cases are likely to be temporary MA, but 10 children in the amalgam group had MA in both years 3 and 5, versus 2 children in the composite group (p = 0.04). There were no differences in the occurrence of high levels of renal tubular markers (A1M, gamma-GT, or NAG).

CONCLUSIONS: The increase in MA may be a random finding, but should be tested further. The results did not support recent findings in an observational study of an effect of low-level mercury on tubular biomarkers in children.

PMID: 18335109

PMCID: PMC2265055



1: Biol Trace Elem Res. 1997 Feb;56(2):143-52.Click here to read Links
Mercury from maternal "silver" tooth fillings in sheep and human breast milk. A source of neonatal exposure.
Vimy MJ, Hooper DE, King WW, Lorscheider FL.

Department of Medicine, Faculty of Medicine, University of Calgary, Alberta, Canada.

Neonatal uptake of mercury (Hg) from milk was examined in a pregnant sheep model, where radioactive mercury (Hg203)/silver tooth fillings (amalgam) were newly placed. A crossover experimental design was used in which lactating ewes nursed foster lambs. In a parallel study, the relationship between dental history and breast milk concentration of Hg was also examined in 33 lactating women. Results from the animal studies showed that, during pregnancy, a primary fetal site of amalgam Hg concentration is the liver, and, after delivery, the neonatal lamb kidney receives additional amalgam Hg from mother's milk. In lactating women with aged amalgam fillings, increased Hg excretion in breast milk and urine correlated with the number of fillings or Hg vapor concentration levels in mouth air. It was concluded that Hg originating from maternal amalgam tooth fillings transfers across the placenta to the fetus, across the mammary gland into milk ingested by the newborn, and ultimately into neonatal body tissues. Comparisons are made to the U. S. minimal risk level recently established for adult Hg exposure. These findings suggest that placement and removal of "silver" tooth fillings in pregnant and lactating humans will subject the fetus and neonate to unnecessary risk of Hg exposure.

PMID: 9164660
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cosmik debris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 05:40 PM
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17. Yes I read them and they make you look really silly
When you post studies that disprove your point.

But it makes it a lot easier to show how foolish you are when you post the evidence for that fact.

Yes, we're laughing at you, not with you.
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 05:43 PM
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18. It is said, laughter is the best medicine, and I just love helping
people get well. Keep on laughing, it'll do you good and it won't bother me one bit. :)
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cosmik debris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 05:54 PM
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19. I'm glad you don't take your lies seriously.
It would be really sad to think you believed the crap you post.
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 06:01 PM
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20. Comic breeze, you blow me away... really you do. n/t
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cosmik debris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 06:06 PM
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21. Now that you have posted proof that amalgam is NOT dangerous
will you stop posting bogus crap saying that amalgam IS dangerous?
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 04:40 PM
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11. Your point? Mine is that that statement is the most expensive
statement ever uttered by anyone in any century. That and that other one about WMDZ.
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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 07:50 PM
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22. The point is that you hold two contrary positions.
It's not my fault that it makes you look foolish.
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