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keep_it_real Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 10:25 AM
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Method of curing AIDS with tetrasilver tetroxide molecular crystal devices
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United States Patent 5,676,977
Antelman October 14, 1997
Method of curing AIDS with tetrasilver tetroxide molecular crystal devices

Abstract

The diamagnetic semiconducting molecular crystal tetrasilver tetroxide (Ag.sub.4 O.sub.4) is utilized for destroying the AIDS virus, destroying AIDS synergistic pathogens and immunity suppressing moieties (ISM) in humans. A single intravenous injection of the devices is all that is required for efficacy at levels of about 40 PPM of human blood. The device molecular crystal contains two mono and two trivalent silver ions capable of "firing" electrons capable of electrocuting the AIDS virus, pathogens and ISM. When administered into the bloodstream, the device electrons will be triggered by pathogens, a proliferating virus and ISM, and when fired will simultaneously trigger a redox chelation mechanism resulting in divalent silver moieties which chelate and bind active sites of the entities destroying them. The devices are completely non-toxic. However, they put stress on the liver causing hepatomegaly, but there is no loss of liver function.

http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-bool.html&r=8&f=G&l=50&co1=AND&d=PTXT&s1=5676977&s2=5676977&OS=5676977+AND+5676977&RS=5676977+AND+5676977


Is anyone familiar with this? I know there are a lot of crackpot, wacko, cures out there but just wondering if the government would patent this if it was just another crackpot, wacko cure that does not work? Anyone know anything about this? I'm all ears.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 10:35 AM
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1. I'll believe this only when the proper double blind studies
have been done and the effectiveness proven.

Right now, it's just another crackpot, wacko cure that some slick lawyer has gotten patented.

I was in Boston for the worst of the AIDS crisis, back when we had nothing to fight it with. I would love for there to be a cure instead of just a chronic treatment. However, this has not been proven. It has only been patented.

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cosmik debris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 11:16 AM
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2. This sounds ridiculous.
"...electrons capable of electrocuting the AIDS virus..."

Perhaps the writer just lacked a better analogy. But selective "electrocution" doesn't seem to a very probable explanation.
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hvn_nbr_2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 12:54 PM
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3. The patent office doesn't validate medical claims.
I'll consider taking it seriously when they produce a few verifiably cured former AIDS patients. I'll believe it, like Warpy, when proper studies show it works. For this, I wouldn't even demand double blind studies since I've never heard of placebo effect curing AIDS. If they get cures, even without a control group or blinds, it would be time to take it seriously. But I rather expect that it works as well as the Super Kosmick Photon Belt Exploder. "Firing electrons capable of electrocuting the AIDS virus" sounds pretty hokey to me.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 09:55 AM
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16. Double blind studies in this case
involve conventional treatments versus the colloidal silver. Repeating the Tuskeegee experiment with HIV is not something any researcher is ready to do.
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varkam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 02:53 PM
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4. First off, as others have mentioned, the patent office doesn't evaluate medical claims.
Second, as far as I know, you can apply for a patent for just about anything. Also, this seems to be referencing an HIV denialism piece.

In other words, there may be a lot of crackpot, wacko cures out there - and this is one of them.
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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 07:57 PM
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5. Positive silver (Ag+) is a strong oxidant -- burns tissue.
Google "lunar caustic".

This "tetrasilver tetroxide" contains Ag+ and Ag+3 (the compound is known to most chemists as AgO, its empirical formula, or silver(I)argentate(III)), so is even more highly oxidizing. Internal use in any form would likely cause chemical burns on contact -- and just incidentally reducing the compound down to elemental silver, so the AgO wouldn't even be around for long. The "mechanism" described in the patent sounds like total bullshit. Most definitely not worth considering.
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thebrain Donating Member (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 06:12 AM
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6. tetrasilver tetroxide is being sold
tetrasilver tetroxide is being sold by several companies around the world. a petroleum based cream and a liquid form are available. go to http://tetrasil.com for the cream and http://purestcolloids.com for the liquid. also, you can go to the United States Patents and Trademarks website at http://uspto.gov and research "tetrasilver tetroxide" in the patent search field. make sure you use the keyword search instead of the patent no. search. there's 10 or more patent on this compound and it gives a detailed description on the "electron firing" process.

THIS REALLY WORKS!!
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cosmik debris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 07:42 AM
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8. If it really works, how many aids cases has it cured?
This patent was issued 10 years ago. That seems like enough time to cure a lot of patients.

Where are all the miraculous results?

Where are the write ups in the journals?

Where is the evidence, any evidence, that this works?

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lizerdbits Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 10:31 AM
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11. Wow it's been a while since I used this
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varkam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 11:19 PM
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14. Good call
:thumbsup:
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thebrain Donating Member (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 06:16 AM
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7. i almost forgot
the FDA doesn't regulate the medical claims on tetrasilver tetroxide creams or liquids cause it is sold as a herbal supplement, and they do not regulate herbal supplements.
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WildClarySage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 10:03 AM
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10. You are full of shit.
If it was this simple, then the news media would be all over it. It ain't and they aren't.

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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 01:41 PM
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12. That ought to be a big hint
If the FDA isn't regulating it, its hogwash with NO scientific merit.
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varkam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 11:20 PM
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15. That's just because your mercury-addled mind is closed
and you will never be able to accept the truth.
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exeas Donating Member (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-13-09 09:17 PM
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17. Brain washed
Edited on Fri Feb-13-09 09:19 PM by exeas
Isn't it sad that 90 % of the us population is so dumbed down and brain washed by their own gov. and they don't even know it. Check out flouride for instance which they put into our water systems and bottle water now days. Its a standing poison that build up in your bones, affects the brains of children, can cause heart problems in later ages of life, and yet the gov. spends billions to ensure that it is in our water system... To what point?? check it out for yourself just google it. Yet the gov wouldn't ever hurt you what so ever, if you believe the gov. cares about you then you deserve to die like the dodo bird did.
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exeas Donating Member (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-13-09 09:24 PM
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18. FDA haha
Research the top FDA administrators and you might just learn that most of them are in fact ce o's of the major pharmaceutical companies. Just food for thought, Im not saying this cure works.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 08:12 AM
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9. hogwash -- i remember when my friends were drinking hydrogen peroxide
thinking it would keep them alive and cure them of aids.

and that was just one of some pretty loony treatments people desperately tried to save themselves.

oh yeah there was cucumber root -- or something like that from china --

makes me mad.

we need a vaccine and we need it yesterday.

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JackBeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 10:52 PM
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13. How does this 'treatment' get inside resting CD4 cells?
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AgResearcher Donating Member (11 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-15-09 08:52 PM
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19. silver oxide
Jack, you have asked the exact question that I am working on. Silver oxide is possibly the most powerful anti-pathogenic I've worked with. Stay tuned.
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Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-15-09 09:00 PM
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20. Hmm...my thought is this treatment willl make you look like a smurf with AIDS.
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AgResearcher Donating Member (11 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-15-09 09:13 PM
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21. tetrasilver
Just how many smurfs with AIDS do you know?
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Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-15-09 09:15 PM
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22. If I took this "cure", I'd know at least one.
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AgResearcher Donating Member (11 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-15-09 09:22 PM
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23. tetrasilver
For someone who calls himself Liberal...the reply I expected.
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Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-15-09 09:30 PM
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24. And a happy tetrasilver to you as well.
:freak: :freak: :freak: :freak:
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AgResearcher Donating Member (11 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-15-09 09:40 PM
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25. The facts. If you can handle them.
You gonna fold up like a cheap suitcase when presented with facts?

Historical Safety Data Authoritative Texts on Silver Hydrosols Present Day Safety Data Part Per Million (PPM) Safety Ranges
Immunogenic Research Foundation, Inc. (IMREF)

According to the EPA Dietary Silver Intake (10 ppm)
a. Taking 38 tsp daily of 10 ppm silver for 35 years falls below LOAEL threshold for an adult
b. Taking 76 tsp daily of 10 ppm silver for 17 years falls below LOAEL threshold for an adult
c. Taking 170 tsp daily of 10 ppm silver for 8 years falls below LOAEL threshold for an adult
d. Taking 304 tsp daily of 10 ppm silver for 4 years falls below LOAEL threshold for an adult
e. Taking 608 tsp daily of 10 ppm silver for 2 years falls below LOAEL threshold for an adult
f. Taking 200 Tbls daily of 10 ppm silver for 2 years falls below LOAEL threshold for an adult
g. Taking ¾ gallon daily of 10 ppm silver for 2 years falls below LOAEL threshold for an adult
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Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-15-09 09:42 PM
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26. Well, gosh. You sure schooled me.
:eyes:
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AgResearcher Donating Member (11 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-15-09 09:57 PM
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28. Choice time
Well Liberal, it seems that you have a choice: be an active participant in your own healing, or be complicit in your death. It must hurt to be you.
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-15-09 11:37 PM
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30. Welcome to DU..
I say, warily. Hint: Not a good idea to come into a new group and mock people who are suffering.
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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-15-09 09:57 PM
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27. No one has said it was overly toxic - just that it'll turn your skin blue.
And it will.
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AgResearcher Donating Member (11 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-15-09 10:02 PM
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29. Therapeutic dosages
Therapeutic dosages of silver oxide will not turn your skin blue. Singlet silver atoms, like colloidal silver, in massive quantities will, do your research.
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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 09:52 AM
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35. MSDS for Silver Oxide
http://www.jtbaker.com/msds/englishhtml/s2330.htm
Exposures above the TLV may result in accumulation of silver in the body (argyria). Symptoms may include a permanent unsightly blue-gray pigmentation of the skin, mucous membranes and eyes.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 02:07 PM
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40. oh you shill you. How DARE you post real information backing your statement?
:rofl: and thank you.
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TechBear_Seattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-15-09 11:52 PM
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31. When there is peer-reviewed research demonstrating its efficacy, let me know
Until then, it is dangerous quackery as far as I'm concerned.
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AgResearcher Donating Member (11 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 12:24 AM
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32. Quackery Not
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cosmik debris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 06:54 AM
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33. That's not even a medical journal
And it is certainly not a clinical trial that they are reporting on.

Do you have any evidence that this has been used successfully on live humans?

(Of course I know you don't because this is quackery.)
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TechBear_Seattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 08:05 AM
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34. "Research" by the manufacturer is worthless
As Merck proved so well with Vioxx.

Show me something in the Lancet or the New England Journal of Medicine. Since you are claiming this as a cure for HIV, certainly something has been published in Current HIV Research or the Journal of Epidemiology and Community Health.

Oh, and by the way: medical literature generally does not use the acronym AIDS any more, and when they do, it is always referenced as HIV/AIDS. This is because Aquired Immuno-Deficiency Syndrome is no longer a syndrome (a list of symptoms that occurs together with no known cause.) Anyone who talks about "curing AIDS" is proving himself to be abjectly ignorant of medical knowledge. Thus, I call your "cure" unmitigated bull shit.
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AgResearcher Donating Member (11 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 10:32 AM
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36. Clinical Study Medical Journal, if you can get to it.
Nanomedicine: Nanotechnology, Biology and Medicine
Volume 4, Issue 3, September 2008, Pages 237-240

Title: The antimicrobial sensitivity of Streptococcus mutans to nanoparticles of silver, zinc oxide, and gold.
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cosmik debris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 01:14 PM
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39. But has it ever been used successfully on live humans?
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cosmik debris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 07:54 PM
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44. I guess the answer is NO!
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 02:09 PM
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41. strep is a bacteria. hiv is a virus.
Have you a link for that since I don't have a copy handy and anyone can claim anything on the internets?
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AgResearcher Donating Member (11 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 07:36 PM
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43. Link
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 02:15 AM
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46. for $5 I can order the article. Thank you but no thank you.
Is it available elsewhere, for free?
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AgResearcher Donating Member (11 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 10:59 AM
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37. Look some more.
Biomaterials 25 (2004) 4383–4391

Title: An in vitro assessment of the antibacterial properties and cytotoxicity of nanoparticulate silver bone cement.

Excerpt:

"Only NanoSilver cement showed high-antibacterial activity against all strains, including MRSE and MRSA. Gentamicin cement was not effective against MRSA and MRSE due to the high-level gentamicin resistance of the tested strains. Plain cement did not inhibit proliferation of any strains. There was no significant difference regarding in vitro cytotoxicty between NanoSilver and the non-toxic control."

Still claim it's bull shit? or are you hiding your head up your butt?
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lizerdbits Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 12:25 PM
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38. How is this relevant to HIV in vivo?
Since both studies involve Strep and Staph. You know there are differences between viruses and bacteria right? And at least the second study is in vitro.
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AgResearcher Donating Member (11 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 07:24 PM
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42. According to Antelman
Silver oxide has been shown to be anti-microbial, having effective results on bacteria, virus, cancer, and fungi. Antelman's patents have the data.
He has provided the oxide to 50 or so subjects but had no follow up on any. The single person I have spoken to who has had the oxide administered is Boyd Graves and he turned out to be a nut case, but he is still alive. Who knows? I do happen to have the Honduran clinical trial data on the 30 breast cancer subjects. Very crude english but it's a trial that can be verified.
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lizerdbits Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-16-09 08:22 PM
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45. Get back to us when it's published
:rofl:
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