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oscar111 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 07:54 PM
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alcohol 50% not 70% in poor areas of town: new ripoff ALERT rubbing alcoho
a friend in the poor part of town reports that ALL the stores there, mom and pop stores are all that exist there.. are switching to the diluted form of rubbing alcohol

Probabley some way to up profits on the stuff.

It seems to me that this will expose the folks there to more skin infections. Those who must take alcohol baths will not get very clean, either.

Exposing folks to infections for the sake of profits is awful.

Where are the regulatorS?? Or just warning commercials from the CDC?
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 07:58 PM
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1. I don't know about those stores, but the Kmart etc here have both.
There's the cheap rubbing alcohol that they put on sale 4/$1.00 and there's the 90% that sells for around $1.00 each. Have the customers asked the store owner for the 90% stuff? I know, most sales around here are for the cheap stuff.
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Journeyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 08:04 PM
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2. Caveat emptor. . .
is unfortunately the business world's mantra. That and the illusion the buyer's always right.
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Jayhawk Lib Donating Member (587 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 08:09 PM
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3. The strong stuff is not always needed.
Why should a person buy a stronger solution than what is needed and the weaker stuff is cheaper?
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silverlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 08:26 PM
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5. And why should people on the right side of the track
be the only ones with a choice?
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Jayhawk Lib Donating Member (587 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 08:38 PM
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8. Nothing to do with right side or wrong side.
All the drug stores that I know sell 2 or 3 types. Dollar Tree and Dollar General here only sell the 50% strength but they are not drug stores.
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silverlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 08:40 PM
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9. The poster was referring to a poorer part of town
switching, no offering both.
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Jayhawk Lib Donating Member (587 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 08:47 PM
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10. The shop keeper only stocks what sells well.
Probably the people in that area do not buy enough of the stronger stuff to make it worth his while to stock it. I really can't blame him.
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oscar111 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 02:11 PM
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17. He stock what makes the most profit, not what sells well
Edited on Mon Jan-09-06 02:15 PM by oscar111
the price-profit curve is what is used.

besides, if he ONLY stocks the weak stuff, then that weak stuff will be what sells. Inescapably.

It is not supply and demand

it is monoply supply and effective demand that rules.

.. Poor buyers are ineffective demand, as seen in the orphan drug....

and thirdworld HIV no-pills scandals.

aside.. Jayhawks ravaged the people and ran wild in the south in the civil war. Why pick that for a handle? They were reviled by honest farmers. Even their commanders could not stop their plundering of local farmers. Why did a college pick them for a mascot, honored correspondent?
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 08:26 PM
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4. It's not a "ripoff". The concentration is marked on the bottles.
No regulators or CDC commercials necessary....just read the label.
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silverlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 08:29 PM
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6. I think the ripoff
is that the stores are switching - not offering both products as stores in other areas.
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 09:16 PM
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13. If you're talking about mom & pop stores, they probably can't afford to.
They're likely just making ends meet as it is.

This is a basic market principle. More options are offered to those that can afford them. It's not a perfect system, but I don't know a good way to deal with it another way.
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patdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 08:33 PM
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7. I do not think I live on the 'bad side' of the tracks..but did not know
there is a difference...thought alcohol was alcohol...did not know some was potent..and some was not...
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Celebration Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 08:50 PM
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11. Complain to the store
They respond to consumer demand.
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oscar111 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 02:36 PM
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19. i think they respond to profit angles, to new ripoff schemes learned from
collegues at the country club. Orphan drugs are evidence of never responding to consumers, even when thousnads of lives are on the line. HIV drugs being out of reach are more evidence.... third world, millions have died from overpriced HIV pills. Seventeen percent profit margin, AFTER all ressearch is paid for. Three percent is the usual profit for big business in other fields of endeavor. Pills are vastly overpriced, says Dr. Snow, former NEJM editor. REsearch is the usual excuse, but that is shot down by Snow's evidence of hi profits AFTER research is all paid for. Think about that.
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FloridaPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 08:55 PM
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12. I notice I have to read the fine print anymore for most things I buy.
The sellers are constantly figuring out ways to labels things so they look like one thing but are another. This looks like another. You buy the cheap brand, probably not even knowing that rubbing alcohol is 90% alcohol.
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oscar111 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 02:24 PM
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18. "shrinkage" is the term for many ripoffs
tin cans were sixteen oz, now usually fifteen. Many are even smaller, same price.

We need to nationalize canneries, it would seem. RE regulation would help, but is weak as a cure.

england in fourty six, nationalized banks, rail, airlines, electric, coal, gas, phone, trucking, steel. Not sure when free docs were made the law. HOUSECALLS today, by free docs, in england and and germany. Perhaps other nations, ask around and let us know.
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dapper Donating Member (755 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 09:41 PM
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14. in my area you can get both...
Depends on the stores you go to, 50% all the way up to 85% (I haven't seen 90% around.. I don't think)

Many of the cheaper stores (such as the dollar stores) will sell the lower percentage because it is cheaper to buy and then they can sell it at a price that you can get the higher % at.

Dap
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ChavezSpeakstheTruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 09:14 AM
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15. HOLY SHIT!!!
:scared:
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oscar111 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 02:00 PM
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16. Oscar answers all
Edited on Mon Jan-09-06 02:26 PM by oscar111
In reply to all, not just Chavez.. who i agree with..

I stress that buyers in poor areas now have NO CHOICE. I also stress i was not referring to Kmart etc which are not in poor areas. Only tiny mom and pop stores are over there. I also see no possibility that alcohol that is a third weaker than what was standard for decades, is able to do the job.

Also, now twelve oz bottles are replacing the longstandard sixteen oz ones. Net effect: new bottles of fifty percent stuff, smaller bottles... have HALF the alcohol in grams that the old standard bottles had. Anyone able to check to see if that results in price gouging? i suspect they are selling the new item for a higher price/oz alcohol than the old bottles of seventy percent.

aside.. those stores also sell out of date items ... which i suspect is how the stores in rich areas dump their out of date stuff.. some distributor must specialize in transferring the item from rich areas to poor areas, buying it cut rate, seling to mom and pop stores in poor areas, who then sell the stale stuff.

note// poor folks have no cars and so are de facto prisoners of local stores. Have no time to bus to rich stores in many cases, or are sick or old or disabled.

note// there is a poorly reported flu shot shortage now. folks who are too sick to stand in chain store lines for a shot, cant get one from a doctor.. docs have had orders for shots arrive a month late and only ten percent of order filled. The familydoctor.com site is up in arms, angry about this. Not sure of exact url. Chiron factory problem again like last year. Why isnt bush getting roasted by MSM for this? We sure need AAR air america radio now. AP story seemed to say we again have only two big sources for shots, while england last year had fivce or six. GOP doesnt even know how to govern. Turkeys, as well as having a 'dont care' attitude.

note// see also my two new replies to others in this thread, esp the one to florida pat. Good history lesson on england and docs in it.
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philb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 09:56 PM
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20. what is rubbing alcohol documented to be good for?
I'm aware of known adverse effects, but am not aware of any benefits that there aren't
a lot of things better that don't have adverse effects.

seems cutting the alcohol to 50% rather than 70% would be a big benefit- less dangerous

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oscar111 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 02:44 PM
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21. Kills germs at a cut's site: also cleans like a bath when baths are not
possible. Could you name non prescription stufff that does these things better?

Perhaps you were joking? Just in a contrary mood?
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