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RFKJrNews (760 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 04:09 PM Original message |
RFK Jr.'s Autism Crusade Continues |
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skooooo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 04:26 PM Response to Original message |
1. Imus has been fighting this for a lot longer. |
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TZ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 06:55 PM Response to Reply #1 |
6. Ah yes and Mr. "Nappy headed hos" has what science degree? |
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skooooo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 09:57 AM Response to Reply #6 |
25. do you just spread anger around.. |
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NoodleBoy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-18-08 05:04 PM Response to Reply #25 |
89. how many times does it take to be told by qualified scientists that your opinion is unscientific |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 04:29 PM Response to Original message |
2. Kennedy was smacked down with facts so severely last time, |
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Jane Austin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 05:20 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. The Government's facts? |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 06:26 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. Just regular, ordinary facts. |
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TZ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 06:54 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. Got autism the next day did she? |
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Jane Austin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 08:13 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. Why are you so angry at me? |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 09:00 PM Response to Reply #7 |
11. Okay... |
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Jane Austin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 10:00 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. I had no idea that DU was a scientific symposium |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 10:07 PM Response to Reply #13 |
14. I didn't intend to be hostile - merely to explain. |
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Tumbulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 12:05 AM Response to Reply #13 |
15. Please remember to come back here |
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TZ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 06:13 AM Response to Reply #15 |
18. So I should smile and be nice |
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Jane Austin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 06:59 PM Response to Reply #15 |
44. Thank you for your encouraging post. |
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TZ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 06:09 AM Response to Reply #13 |
16. Maybe I'm hostile |
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Jane Austin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 06:54 PM Response to Reply #16 |
42. And yet I didn't say any of those things to you, |
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Tumbulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-15-08 12:29 AM Response to Reply #16 |
48. did janeaustin say any of these things to you? |
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Celebration (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-15-08 07:49 AM Response to Reply #48 |
51. Um. I think she may be projecting a bit. |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-15-08 01:10 PM Response to Reply #51 |
56. Person A is hardly mythical. |
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Jim__ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 08:31 AM Response to Reply #13 |
24. Please continue posting in this forum. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 10:56 AM Response to Reply #24 |
28. I agree. There are some very rude posts from anti-vaxers. |
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Celebration (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 11:43 AM Response to Reply #28 |
29. I am pro evidence |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 11:51 AM Response to Reply #29 |
30. Sure you are. n/t |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 04:02 PM Response to Reply #24 |
34. Jim, the issue *has* been studied. |
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Jim__ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 04:18 PM Response to Reply #34 |
35. I should have qualified that with certain types of studies. |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 05:49 PM Response to Reply #35 |
41. They say that is a theoretical possibility with no evidence to support it. |
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Jim__ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-15-08 05:38 AM Response to Reply #41 |
49. That's not exactly what they say. |
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moc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-15-08 09:37 AM Response to Reply #49 |
52. Experimental evidence would be easy to obtain? |
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Jim__ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-15-08 09:54 AM Response to Reply #52 |
53. That is a paraphrase of what Dr Healy said. |
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moc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-15-08 12:19 PM Response to Reply #53 |
54. Sorry, but I call bullshit on Dr. Healy's comments (or on your misinterpretation of what she said). |
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Jim__ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-15-08 01:27 PM Response to Reply #54 |
57. You can listen to Dr Healy's comments yourself. |
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Jim__ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-15-08 02:32 PM Response to Reply #54 |
61. Never *once* did she suggest that generating fear re: vaccines had ANYTHING to do with their |
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moc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-15-08 05:22 PM Response to Reply #61 |
65. Read my post below. |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-15-08 01:02 PM Response to Reply #49 |
55. Well... |
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Jim__ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-15-08 02:18 PM Response to Reply #55 |
60. Dr Healy is explicit about having the tools to produce this evidence. |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-15-08 03:10 PM Response to Reply #60 |
62. But she bases her opinion on the IOM report... |
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Jim__ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-15-08 03:27 PM Response to Reply #62 |
63. Did you listen to what she said? |
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moc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-15-08 05:20 PM Response to Reply #63 |
64. Key phrase is here: |
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Jim__ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-16-08 07:30 AM Response to Reply #64 |
69. Dr Healy disagrees with your interpretation ... |
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Celebration (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-16-08 07:45 AM Response to Reply #64 |
71. What is the motivation of the statement from IOM? |
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moc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-16-08 01:15 PM Response to Reply #71 |
73. It really doesn't matter what IOMs motivation was (although I disagree with your interpretation). |
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Celebration (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-16-08 01:59 PM Response to Reply #73 |
74. I don't know |
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moc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-16-08 04:04 PM Response to Reply #74 |
77. I think you significantly overestimate the significance of an obscure statement in a report. |
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Celebration (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-16-08 10:34 PM Response to Reply #77 |
79. going by Dr. Healy's statement |
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Celebration (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-17-08 09:42 AM Response to Reply #77 |
84. Fortunately |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-15-08 11:08 PM Response to Reply #63 |
68. Yeah, I've read that before. |
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Jim__ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-16-08 07:37 AM Response to Reply #68 |
70. See reply #69. |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-16-08 02:39 PM Response to Reply #70 |
76. Spinning your tires |
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Jim__ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-17-08 09:00 AM Response to Reply #76 |
81. Hardly. |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-17-08 02:45 PM Response to Reply #81 |
86. No, it just requires reading the IOM report. |
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Jim__ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-17-08 04:16 PM Response to Reply #86 |
87. I've read the IOM Report and I accept Dr Healy's position. |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-17-08 06:08 PM Response to Reply #87 |
88. Where does the IOM report say that such research would be productive? eom |
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Jim__ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-19-08 07:53 AM Response to Reply #88 |
90. Well ... |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-22-08 03:21 PM Response to Reply #90 |
91. What's this? They're encouraging research? |
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Jim__ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-24-08 11:00 AM Response to Reply #91 |
92. They explicitly discourage research into this specific area. |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-24-08 03:13 PM Response to Reply #92 |
93. Then can you explain the part that I quoted? eom |
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Jim__ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-24-08 04:26 PM Response to Reply #93 |
94. Sure. Context. For instance, consider the whole paragraph that the quote is taken from. |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-24-08 10:35 PM Response to Reply #94 |
95. There's a keyword in that paragraph: |
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Jim__ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-25-08 12:33 PM Response to Reply #95 |
96. If you want to call "however" a keyword, you should note ... |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-25-08 01:51 PM Response to Reply #96 |
97. Well, they don't. |
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Jim__ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-26-08 07:35 AM Response to Reply #97 |
98. As I noted in response #92, this discussion is just going around in circles. |
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Jane Austin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 06:56 PM Response to Reply #24 |
43. Thanks for your encouragement. |
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TZ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 06:10 AM Response to Reply #7 |
17. Some reputable sources on the matter. |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 08:36 PM Response to Reply #2 |
9. People will defend their most screwball belief system until |
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RFKJrNews (760 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 07:11 AM Response to Reply #9 |
20. So, holding degrees from Harvard and Univ. of Virginia Law... |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 07:17 AM Response to Reply #20 |
22. At which school did he learn immunology and/or toxicology? n/t |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 10:52 AM Response to Reply #20 |
26. I have a couple of degrees, binky |
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Jim__ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 03:03 PM Response to Reply #9 |
31. People will defend their most screwball belief system. |
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Celebration (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 03:23 PM Original message |
Where are the CDC internal documents? |
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Jim__ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 03:30 PM Response to Original message |
33. The article cited in the OP is just an excerpt from the interview. |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 04:31 PM Response to Reply #31 |
37. Wow! You mean he had ANECDOTAL EVIDENCE from PARENTS? |
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Celebration (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 04:34 PM Response to Reply #37 |
38. What makes you believe that he didn't read the studies? |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 04:59 PM Response to Reply #38 |
39. Where's the huge decrease in autism? |
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Celebration (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 07:08 PM Response to Reply #39 |
45. No |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 07:21 PM Response to Reply #45 |
46. Answer: there has not been a decrease in new autism cases. |
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Celebration (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 07:48 PM Response to Reply #46 |
47. Huh? |
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chicagomd (437 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-15-08 01:36 PM Response to Reply #47 |
58. Correct. |
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Celebration (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-15-08 02:00 PM Response to Reply #58 |
59. I'm just about certain that plays a role |
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chicagomd (437 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-15-08 05:44 PM Response to Reply #59 |
66. And this is the point you seem to be missing: |
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Celebration (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-15-08 06:34 PM Response to Reply #66 |
67. actually, I think that is part of it |
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chicagomd (437 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-16-08 10:34 AM Response to Reply #67 |
72. Do you have any evidence |
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Celebration (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-16-08 02:33 PM Response to Reply #72 |
75. Intestinal Permeability |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-16-08 08:13 PM Response to Reply #75 |
78. You need to keep up with the latest research. |
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Celebration (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-16-08 10:56 PM Response to Reply #78 |
80. battle of the research, I suppose |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-17-08 09:07 AM Response to Reply #80 |
82. Uh, sure. Do you ever really read the links you provide? |
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Celebration (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-17-08 09:29 AM Response to Reply #82 |
83. so what? |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-17-08 09:52 AM Response to Reply #83 |
85. Later studies generally build on what came before. |
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Jim__ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-15-08 06:01 AM Response to Reply #37 |
50. Did you even read the excerpts? |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 08:17 PM Response to Original message |
8. I'm glad he's an advocate for getting at the truth. |
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RFKJrNews (760 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 07:07 AM Response to Reply #8 |
19. Many thanks |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 07:13 AM Response to Reply #19 |
21. Why won't you believe OTHER Democrats, then? |
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RFKJrNews (760 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 08:20 AM Response to Reply #21 |
23. Dems disagree, but... |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 10:55 AM Response to Reply #23 |
27. LOL |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 04:28 PM Response to Reply #19 |
36. Some people have made a religion of vaccination. |
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Celebration (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 08:53 PM Response to Original message |
10. We could put this to rest |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 09:06 PM Response to Original message |
12. Hrmmm... |
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dropkickpa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-14-08 05:24 PM Response to Reply #12 |
40. The only conspiracy was Leery King's |
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