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Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 08:47 AM
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RAT POISON USED IN PHARMACEUTICALS!!!
Warfarin (also known under the brand names Coumadin, Jantoven, Marevan, and Waran) is an anticoagulant. It is named after the Wisconsin Alumni Research Foundation, which sponsored its development. It was initially marketed as a pesticide against rats and mice, and is still popular for this purpose!

Warfarin is prescribed to people with an increased tendency for thrombosis or as secondary prophylaxis (prevention of further episodes) in those individuals that have already formed a blood clot (thrombus). Warfarin treatment can help prevent formation of future blood clots and help reduce the risk of embolism (migration of a thrombus to a spot where it blocks blood supply to a vital organ). Common clinical indications for warfarin use are atrial fibrillation, the presence of artificial heart valves, deep venous thrombosis, pulmonary embolism, antiphospholipid syndrome and, occasionally, after myocardial infarction.


Oh noes!!! Will we never be free of ingredients that have more than one use?

Next thing you know, we'll find out that opium and its derivatives are fatal in large doses!!!

When we learn from our predecessors who all lived to be 350 through aura cleansings and prayer instead of evil western medicine???
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 09:00 AM
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1. My Gawd, that's almost as terrible as finding out I had Dihydrogen Monoxide in my drinking water!
:hi:
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 10:38 AM
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6. Not only that, but did you know
that you're sprinkling a combination of a flammable metal and poison gas onto your morning eggs?
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 11:32 AM
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8. Ack! Say it ain't so!
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cosmik debris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 09:01 AM
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2. We all know
that if one kilogram will kill you, then it follows logically that one atom will kill you as well.

:sarcasm:
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 09:19 AM
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3. Spoken like a true homeopath
Nice post, Deepak.
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 09:20 AM
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4. Only if the Dihydrogen Monoxide has a vague memory of it.
Who needs chemistry when you can just make shit up as you go along?
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global1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 09:25 AM
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5. What Came First - The Rat Poison Or The Drug?.......
really - did they make the drug first and find out it kills rats or the other way around?
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Celebration Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 10:59 AM
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7. pretty sure the drug was made first
Edited on Tue Aug-12-08 11:00 AM by itsjustme
Didn't rat poison used to by cyanide? But people weren't smart enough always to keep kids and pets away. So Warfarin was safer. But the rats have gotten sort of immune to the Warfarin, so now there is some souped up version, that is like Warfarin PLUS (not really the name).

It was awhile back that I was forced to look into all this, because this whole city has a rat problem and they won't do a thing about it.

The last I heard, the powers that regulate all this stuff began thinking that Warfarin was too toxic to have around the house, and they wanted some new formulation. Let's hope I never have a problem again, because the Warfarin PLUS actually took a long time to work.
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 11:58 AM
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9. Isn't that the same stuff that requires a large dose of vitamin K if accidentally ingested by a pet?
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Celebration Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 01:06 PM
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11. I bet that's right n/t
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 01:19 PM
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12. I remember that a local department store had a similar rat problem.
They had been poisoning the rats for months and they just kept reproducing. It got so bad that several customers actually encountered rats in the store.

When the pest control guys were called, they investigated and found that the rats had been chowing down on a trailer full of dry dog food.

And dog food is loaded with vitamin K.
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Celebration Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 08:02 PM
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14. aaaaahhhhhhhhhh
Edited on Tue Aug-12-08 08:06 PM by itsjustme
I cannot tell people how incredibly frustrating this is. I am not a rat killer by nature. But sometimes circumstances present themselves. I transform into ITSJUSTME RAT KILLER.

If it happens anymore, it is back to getting cats for pets.
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Fire_Medic_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 05:55 PM
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22. In large enough doses coumadin will kill just about anything.
If your blood becomes thin enough you will die, if you don't receive prompt treatment.

David
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 06:26 PM
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23. Someone forgot to tell the rats that.
It was funny, the ladies at the store thought that they were some sort of supernatural mutant rats!

I was tempted to leave little signs around the store for them to find: "WEE WANT MOR FOOOD"
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Fire_Medic_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 06:29 PM
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24. Well
They were "treated" accidently of course, by the dog food.

David
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 12:26 PM
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10. Rat poison first.
Actually, they found it was making cattle sick, then they developed it as a rat poison, then after some guy tried to committ suicide with it and was fine, they developed it as a drug.
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Celebration Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 07:15 PM
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13. this stuff has SUCH an interesting history
And it all *starts* with anecdotal evidence.
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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 08:05 PM
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15. Starts - but then is confirmed in *controlled studies*.
Can't neglect that part. Lots of things start with anecdotal evidence - and are never duplicated.
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varkam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 09:23 PM
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16. Like homeopathy, for example. eom
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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 06:58 AM
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17. Exactly!
Homeopathic solutions have been clinically found, in controlled studies, to reduce thirst when consumed.

Great example, varkam!
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cosmik debris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 08:12 AM
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18. Bullshit! Homeopathic solutions can be FATAL!
In 2004, there were 3,308 unintentional drownings in the United States, an average of nine people per day.(CDC 2006)

Don't use homeopathy without the supervision of a certified practitioner of palm reading and chakra alignment. (and keep your feng shui expert on speed dial!)

You might end up as just another statistic for the CDC!
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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 08:34 AM
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19. You big yak FOOL!
Your "statistics" (I used quotes because they came from the gubmint, and therefore are false) only prove the EFFICACY of homeopathy. It wasn't drowning, but the water's MEMORY of various toxic substances that killed those people. Duh!
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Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 08:37 AM
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20. So are those pools now homeopathically haunted?
Since the water has the memory of the person that drowned in it?

And if you accidently swallow some of that water, would that homeopathic cannibalism?
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cosmik debris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 08:53 AM
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21. Next time you go swimming, remember
It is almost a certainty that someone pissed in that pool.
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-09 10:50 AM
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25. Just took my Dad off of Coumadin because it was killing him.
Constant trips to the "Coumadin Clinic" for checks of his INR.
Checked into hospital twice in December and Twice in first two weeks of January.

Symptoms included Diarrhea, spitting up blood, mental confusion, all while I was traveling.
When I returned his foot was terribly swollen and toes blue, looked like Gangrene, and he had to go to the hospital.

During that most recent stay they weren't giving him Coumadin and he started getting better in all respects.

Replaced aspiring in his diet, now he's using a cane instead of a walker and all the symptoms above are gone.

Rat poison, thanks a lot fuckers.
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Celebration Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-09 11:48 AM
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26. Whew, thank goodness
The elderly are really victimized on things like this. I feel that it is criminal for doctors to prescribe these things without carefully watching the reactions of their elderly patients. Not all of them have sons or daughters who can watch over them every second.
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-09 02:25 PM
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29. Doctors often don't ask about diet, don't mention multivitamins...
And I think it's criminal.

Poor diet leads to conditions, meds are prescribed. Then, the meds have side effects and more meds are prescribed.

My parents didn't have an advocate but I got my mom to change doctors, my dad was stubborn and still is, we had to have a shouting match to get him to just try to change doctors.

Far too much faith is put into them, and before the Internet it would have been very hard to find information on drugs, etc.
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EvolveOrConvolve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-09 01:18 PM
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27. You know what I heard?
They use nitro-glycerin on heart patients. It's a giant conspiracy by big pharma to kill Americans because EVERYONE knows that nitro-glycerin is an explosive!
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Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-09 01:43 PM
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28. Yeah, I did that one too.
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EvolveOrConvolve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-09 08:38 PM
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30. Well maybe that's where I heard it from!
And if it came from the internets, it MUST be true. :)

Your OP has given me a pretty good chuckle, thanks LV!
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