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dropkickpa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 10:53 AM
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Antibodies still protect 1918 flu survivors
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26254075/
Study demonstrates the durability of the human immune system

updated 1:36 p.m. ET, Sun., Aug. 17, 2008
WASHINGTON - Nearly a century after history's most lethal flu faded away, survivors' bloodstreams still carry super-potent protection against the 1918 virus, demonstrating the remarkable durability of the human immune system.

Scientists tested the blood of 32 people aged 92 to 102 who were exposed to the 1918 pandemic flu and found antibodies that still roam the body looking to strangle the old flu strain. Researchers manipulated those antibodies into a vaccine and found that it kept alive all the mice they had injected with the killer flu, according to a study published online Sunday in the journal Nature.

There's no pressing need for a 1918 flu vaccine because the virus has long since mutated out of its deadly form and is extremely unlikely to be a threat anymore, experts said. What's more important in this research, they said, is that it confirms theories that our immune system has a steel-trap memory.

"It's incredible. The Lord has blessed us with antibodies our whole lifetime," said study co-author Dr. Eric Altschuler at the University of Medicine and Dentistry in New Jersey. "What doesn't kill you, makes you stronger."


Cool!
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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 10:58 AM
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1. so what do the doctors today do to help our immune systems?
They overmedicate, giving Cipro for ear infections, etc. The last thing Big Pharma wants people to hear is that their immune sytem is something that can work FOR them. :eyes:
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cosmik debris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 11:44 AM
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3. Geeze!
She posted an uplifting positive story about the wonderful resilience of the human body and you want to turn it into a soap box for your "I hate big pharma" crusade.

Give it a rest.

You are making it look like you have gone over the edge.
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 11:53 AM
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4. "What do doctors do today to help our immune systems?" Well, they give us vaccinations for starters
But if "Big Pharma" develops and supplies them I'm sure they're either toxic or placebos. :eyes:

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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 01:26 PM
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14. bmus: TWO POINTS! Zing!
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 01:35 PM
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16. Stuff that makes you go
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 12:04 PM
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6. Ladies and Gentlemen, allow me to present a classic case of...


Reply #1! How can you beat it?!?
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 12:11 PM
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7. !
:spray:

love the bunny cage reference!

:rofl:
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 12:16 PM
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8. Credit for that very clever graphic goes to mr blur
See here.

Of course, I couldn't guess who the phenomenal genius was who came up with the term Threefer Madness in the first place...
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 01:19 PM
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13. Yeah, I wonder...
Props to mr blur!
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dropkickpa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 12:53 PM
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12. Yeah!
Edited on Mon Aug-18-08 12:54 PM by dropkickpa
Fuck the doctors, they don't do anything! It was only 100 million people dead, their immunes system must have been attacked by time travelling big pharma shills, riding YAKS!!!! Big pharma is gonna kill ya! Booga booga booga!!!

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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 11:05 AM
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2. Two words: anamnestic response.
Edited on Mon Aug-18-08 11:06 AM by kestrel91316
This isn't (or shouldn't be) news to anyone who has studied immunology. The immune system's "memory" is the fundamental principle behind immunizations.

I am always telling my clients who have let their cats' vaccinations get overdue that, contrary to popular belief, there is NO reason to "start over" with a whole new series of vaccinations. A single booster will do.

The body never forgets.
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dropkickpa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 12:49 PM
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10. I agree
Subjects to study this highly contagious global pandemic are now few and far between, so I am very glad they did make this effort. My grandmother was born in February 1918, but my family was *very* lucky and no one died from the flu (my great grandma recalled many friends who weren't so lucky). Just thinking about it is mind boggling, 50-100 million dead from March 1918 to June 1920, 2-5% of the WORLD'S population - dead! Craziness!
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 12:03 PM
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5. I'd be curious to see how many of those 32 people have developed autism since 1918
And I wonder how much Big Pharma made in that propagandistic vaccination crusade. I hope it was a bundle, because I'd hate for my monthly shill-payment to run dry.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 01:29 PM
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20. Yeah, it's too bad we're not still vaccinating to prevent a return
of the 1918 flu and all.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 12:47 PM
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9. It's also why we tend to get fewer colds and flu as we age
We've already been exposed to and developed an immunity to a lot of the most common strains out there, thanks to surviving them all when we were young and healthy enough to do so.

This is why I think flu shots in healthy young adults are a bad idea unless they are working in a health care setting.
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dropkickpa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 12:51 PM
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11. I ALWAYS get the flu if I'm not vaxed
And now, since I have to pass in close proximity to patients with immune compromise or suppression, I HAVE to get it, which is A-OK by me.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 01:29 PM
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15. I wish I had got flu shots in my 30s and 40s, what with all the HORRIBLE
cases of flu I got and all the work downtime........

I get them now - I'm over 50 and theoretically higher risk for complications, and frankly tired of being so sick when I do catch it.
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 11:49 AM
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17. This is really fascinating
Edited on Wed Aug-20-08 11:49 AM by LeftishBrit
It's well-known that having had 'flu tends to offer some protection against similar strains, which is why epidemics tend to occur when here is a totally new strain. But it's amazing that the immunity lasts so long! Of course, these may be a selected group with particularly good immune systems (hence their reaching such a great age); but nevertheless it's impressive!
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 11:55 AM
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18. "these antibodies don't just survive; they have mutated tremendously and now bind tighter to disease
This is the longest that specific disease-fighting cells have lasted in people, said study lead author Dr. James Crowe, a professor of microbiology and immunology at Vanderbilt University Medical Center in Nashville, Tenn.

But these antibodies don't just survive; they have mutated tremendously and now bind tighter to disease cells than other antibodies. That makes them more potent, he said.

Crowe said he hopes to use similar techniques to boost the potencies of vaccines that would be more useful now against newer bird flu strains that could become epidemics.


I think I would have left the Lord out of it, since he could technically be blamed for making the deadly virus, too, but it's still fascinating.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 12:49 PM
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19. Lasting evolutionary immunity at work.
"Cool" indeed.
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 11:49 PM
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21. .
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