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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 06:11 PM
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Ayurvedic medicines often contaminated by toxic metals, study says
Lead, mercury and arsenic were found in the traditionally Indian herbal mixtures at levels that would surpass California safety guidelines, says a researcher who is calling for FDA curbs.


By Alan Zarembo, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
2:43 PM PDT, August 26, 2008
Ayurvedic medicines -- herbal mixtures dating back thousands of years in India and increasingly popular in the West -- are frequently contaminated with lead, mercury or arsenic, according to a study published today.

A fifth of the nearly 200 concoctions tested contained levels of the toxic metals that, if taken at the maximum recommended doses, would surpass California's safety guidelines.


Dr. Robert Saper, a Boston University professor of family medicine who led the study, said the findings should spur the Food and Drug Administration to start clamping down on the largely unregulated world of pills, herbs and powders classified as dietary supplements.
http://www.latimes.com/news/science/la-sci-heavymetals27-2008aug27,0,5340783.story?track=rss
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Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 06:15 PM
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1. But how can that be? They are natural folk remedies!
Edited on Tue Aug-26-08 06:15 PM by Liberal Veteran
I thought natural remedies that came from back when our ancestors lived to 150 years old on average were so much better than the poisons the pharmaceutical industry is trying to kill us with.
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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 06:17 PM
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2. And yet. regulation for natural supplements is a BAD thing
for some reason....
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 06:18 PM
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4. should we regulate tuna fish too?
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Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 06:18 PM
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6. Hate to break it to you, but the tuna industry IS regulated.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 06:19 PM
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8. REALLY? lol. What planet do you live on?
Edited on Tue Aug-26-08 06:22 PM by cryingshame
I can see it now, busted for buying a can of bootleg tuna.

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Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 06:29 PM
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14. 1. You didn't specify what the purpose of regulating is.
2. You didn't specify WHAT tuna. Light canned tuna? Bluefin? Albacore?
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Fire_Medic_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 10:21 PM
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25. Do you really believe that there is no regulation on tuna? Please say it isn't so.
Federal Saltwater Fishing Regulations, State Fishing Regulations, FDA regulations, Commercial fishing regulations, international standards for canned tuna. Those are a few for you.

David


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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 06:17 PM
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3. and where were these "ayurvedic medicines" procured? This is yet more bullshit to clamp down
on anything outside the bounds of Big Pharm. Can't eat into their profit margins.

BTW, tuna fish also has high levels of mercury. Should we regulate that too?

Some DU'ers are such tools.
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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 06:20 PM
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9. So the FDA should ONLY clamp down on US Pharmas
Yet companies that sell any old shit they want (and make a HUGE profit) are okay as long as it says "natural"? Really?
Tell me how regulation isn't a good thing Mr. McCain?
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colorado thinker Donating Member (676 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 06:32 PM
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16. Although I agree with your premise,
you HAVE to stop calling DUers names. We're supposed to be together in this!

That being said, of COURSE the ayurvedic medicines are toxic!!!!! They aren't manufactured, tested, and monitored according to the exacting standards of our lily-white pharmaceutical companies. :sarcasm:

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Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 06:41 PM
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19. On the flip side, pharmaceutical companies are required to submit to routine unannounced inspections
and can compel recall and fines of as well as removable of licenses if they fail to meet their standards which can be VERY exacting.

(A couple of years ago, Avandamet and Paxil CR were damn near impossible to get because of one such action even though there was never any cases of someone being harmed, the mere possibility was enough to pull the products and reproduce them).
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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 08:03 PM
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22. Been through an FDA inspection have you?
I have MANY times. It aint a rubber stamp fool! Supplement industry does NOT have to do 1/100% of what the REGULATED industry does..Including 10+ years of testing AND PROVING THAT IT WORKS.
Where as the other people just can say "buy my shit..it works!" And of course even though the supplement industry is A BILLION DOLLAR INDUSTRY,its not out to make a profit OH NO>...
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 06:18 PM
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5. "Of the U.S. products, 21% contained lead, 3% contained mercury and 3% had arsenic."
:popcorn:
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 06:19 PM
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7. Good. Using your own fucked up tactics, we need to regulate fish since it also has mercury
right?
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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 06:22 PM
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11. It is.
There are strong recommendations on preganant women and fish. But if you knew ANYTHING about the FDA (which you DO NOT)..Food is regulated differently than products that are considered biologics or drugs..
I'll ask you again. Why is regulation a BAD thing?
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 06:23 PM
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12. Lying makes the baby Jesus cry.
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Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 06:30 PM
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15. And makes happy fuzzy kittens fall down and die.
:cry:
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 06:33 PM
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17. Every time cs posts, God kills a moon-bat.
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Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 06:37 PM
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18. Fortunately, the internet spawns 10 vespertilio lunaris for every one that dies.
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 06:53 PM
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20. Like a hydra!
:rofl:
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Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 06:21 PM
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10. I'm not seeing the problem. Lead, mercury, and arsenic are elements and thus 100% natural.
Therefore, they must be good for you.
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TechBear_Seattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 06:24 PM
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13. Thank you, Bill Clinton!
The "health supplements" industry was deregulated in 1994, with the signature of President Clinton. It effectively removed all government oversight of everything that claimed to be a nutritional supplement, including but limited to vitamins, minerals, amino acids, botanical or extract. As long as it is labeled a "dietary supplement," you can sell dried goat piss mixed with pigeon crap and scrapings from inside a flourescent lightbulb and make whatever claim about it you want.

I am not dissing Ayurvedic medicine or other alternative health practices. I am saying that this kind of shoddy, dangerous quality control is exactly why the Pure Food and Drug Act of 1906 and the Food, Drug and Cosmetic Act of 1938 (which created the FDA) were passed in the first place.
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Celebration Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 07:59 PM
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21. The FDA needs to spot check these
As well as food imported from Mexico, etc. Yes, tuna fish is a big risk for pregnant moms too, but they know about it. If the FDA had the proper resources, and focused on the appropriate things, we would be able to import drugs from other countries, saving us a lot of money, and be able to identify problems with imported toothpaste, supplements, food, etc. There are a huge number of imported products that potentially have problems--not just supplements.
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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 08:05 PM
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23. But the imported DRUGS have to meet FDA standards
Supplements DO NOT. Even if a supplement was found to have toxic chemicals..They have no power to do a recall or ban on it.
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Celebration Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 09:16 PM
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24. Sure, they most certainly have that power--they just don't have the resources
Also, think Heparin............supposedly it met FDA standards but oops guess it didn't.
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Fire_Medic_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 04:33 PM
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27. Several fighters had suspensions overturned when steroids were found in unopened supplements.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 11:33 PM
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26. recommend
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 08:41 PM
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28. kick
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