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Beartracks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-04-09 03:25 AM
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More flecky "analysis" of healthcare legislation
Here's something that landed in my Inbox today about the "Obamacare legislation." But which bill are they talking about? It doesn't say. Anyway, the text -- which references and praises Flecksoflife for its work "analyzing" the bill (e.g. looking for out-of-context spinnable material) -- is apparently a piece by Anthony G. Martin in the Columbia Conservative Examiner entitled "Horrid details emerge on Obamacare legislation", dated July 20, 2009. (http://www.examiner.com/x-3704-Columbia-Conservative-Examiner~y2009m7d20-Horrid-details-emerge-on-Obamacare-legislation)

Side note: I like how he says that the American people somehow "allowed" Barack Obama and the Democrats to "take" the White House and control Congress. :eyes: I seem to remember an election, which I think is how democracies work. But clearly Martin's living in a fnatasy with some other kind of political system.

Anyhow, the referenced bill passages and pages that Martin bemoans are different from those in huge list forwarded around from flecksoflife on blogs and email recently. Has anyone looked through the bill (whichever one it is) and verified the, um accuracy of Martin's declarations?

Here's the email:


----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 3:22 PM
Subject: Fwd: Fw: Fwd: Fwd: Really want to know about healthcare bill?

Buyer's remorse is alive and well in America . Let's hope it's not too late
for the great U.S. of A. Please contact your congressmen and senators to
stop this from happening here.


Horrid details emerge on Obamacare legislation

As the time draws near for our illustrious elected officials in Congress to
vote on Barack Obama's multi-trillion dollar program for socialized
medicine, horrid details are beginning to emerge concerning the provisions
of the bill. Unusual, wouldn't you say, given that the lunatics running the
asylum in Congress are prone to passing legislation without even reading it
first. But this time the citizens are reading whether Congress does or not.
And the news is not good.

FlecksofLife.com has done a yeoman's work in analyzing the first 400 pages
of the mammoth bill. The website is determined to make its way through the
entire thing, posting the details of the plan online so that ALL citizens
can see for themselves just what America got itself into when they allowed
Barack Obama to take the White House and liberal Democrats to control
Congress.

Let's take a look at some of the details, directly from the written bill
itself.
On page 399 of the bill, the legislation states that if you are a
subsidy-eligible individual under Medicare Part D, the government will
automatically enroll you in the new socialized plan, complete with rationed
care. In other words, you have no choice. You cannot keep your current plan.
Obama lied about 'maintaining choice.'
On page 341, lines 3-9, the government is given the authority to disqualify
Medicare Adv Plans, HMOs, etc., forcing people into the government's
socialized plan.

And here is the smoking gun from the legislation that should cause all
Americans to take pause and allow the chill to go up their spines. I quote
directly from the plan:

Page 335, Lines 16-25, Pages 336-339 – Government mandates the establishment
of 'outcome based measures.'

What does this mean, exactly, in laymen's terms? Rationing. 'Outcomes based
measures' means that the the type of care that is given is based upon a
statistical consideration of just how likely or unlikely you may be to gain
long-term benefit from such care. Much of this is an inexact science which
relies heavily upon individual needs and circumstances, which only a patient
and their doctor can determine. But here, you won't have that luxury.
Neither will your doctor.
Who sets the standard a nd makes these determinations? The government...from
a centralized databank hundreds or thousands of miles away.
But let's go further, shall we?

In the bill currently before Congress, the government will mandate how
hospitals and doctors conduct business. Government will dictate to doctors
how much they can own, and prevent hospitals from expanding! These
provisions are found on pages 317-319 of the bill.

Yet another smoking gun contained in Obamacare is the complete decimation of
the right to privacy. Under the proposed legislation, you have no right to
medical privacy. Government collection of your records will be 'expedited'
and they will have the authority to share your private information with
anyone they see fit. (Page 304, Lines 17-19).

Are you concerned about long waiting lines for your care, as is true in
Canada , Great Britain , and other nations with 'socialized medicine?'
Here's one just for you. On page 287 the bill mandates a waiting period if
you need to be readmitted to a hospital due to an illness or injury,
regardless of how serious your condition may be. If they don't get it right
the first time, you will have to wait to get re-treated.

Two more horrifying items from the bill are worth mentioning before we take
a break from this murderous monstrosity taken straight from the pages of
Hitler's Nazis, Stalin's Commies, and Mussolini's fascists.

One, on page 253, lines 10-18, the government places an arbitrary value on
your doctor's time, professional judgments, and upon human life in general.
Your government will then see you as nothing more than a dollar figure when
it comes to your healthcare.

And on page 265, Section 1131, the government will place limits/mandates on
private healthcare corporations, slapping on something it calls
'productivity controls.' The ultimate goal, of course, is to drive them out
of business, and this merely gets the job done faster.

For the full analysis and information concerning Obamacare, I encourage you
to monitor FlecksofLife.com. The citizens desperately need to know what
their government is getting ready to do under their noses, compliments of
'The One' and his minions.
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YewNork Donating Member (449 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-04-09 08:58 AM
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1. Are there any websites that are analyzing the analysis done by opponents to counter it.
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