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Eric68601 Donating Member (178 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 05:20 PM
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The chant we must ALL chant to the Astroturfers at the town hall meetings
Edited on Fri Aug-07-09 05:25 PM by Eric68601
NO, YOU READ THE BILL, NO, YOU READ THE BILL, NO, YOU READ THE BILL!!!

You have to admit, there is a force in play here that is pitting Democrats .vs Republicans.

I noticed when flipping through the channels today the screams and chants of "READ THE BILL" from the astroturfers directed at their congressional leaders.

Read the bill? Hey wait a minute here... these people are being fed propaganda lies. They are being told about elderly euthanasia, government funded abortions and all kinds of other insane smears about the health reform bill.

While I have no doubts about this being an astroturf campaign, you can't help but wonder... and I'm sure we all know the answer.... about "Que Bono", or "WHO BENEFITS" from causing animosity between far right thinkers and the progressive types. Who benefits from scaring the hell out of Republicans with the evils of the health care plan in action. I still believe there CAN be a bi-partisan effort to get this done, call me a lunatic, but I believe deep inside, the Republicans are just simply.... SCARED. I believe it would be illogical to argue with a scared person, it's best to try and reason with them.... enlighten them if you would.

You see all these elderly on the TV screen at these meetings and how deeply passionate they are. OF COURSE they are gonna scream and shout and go into a frenzy.... wouldn't YOU if that's what was being fed to you?

It's SICKENING. I say we as progressives have a duty to do what we progressives do best. GET THE TRUTH OUT THERE and fight the REAL enemy... not our fellow Americans, but these assholes in the insurance industry, lobbyist, & congressman taking payoffs... Democrat Blue Dog and Republicans alike, who are scaring the hell out of people. And I say we fight them with their very own chant....

READ THE BILL.

A point to be made here, is this typical poll

http://www.pollster.com/blogs/summing_up_the_new_health_care.php

Look at this first chart that's showing the current polling for the health care plan... it ain't pretty



Now have a look at another poll on that page... one where people were actually informed about the bill.



I don't know about YOU guys, but that tells me we don't need to target the Neo-Cons for termination, but rather target them for a rude awakening of INFORMATION.
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abelenkpe2 Donating Member (274 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 05:28 PM
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1. There is an email
circulating through right wing sites that claims to go over The bill (aren't there several bills?) line by line and page by page pointing out all kinds of things that are then twisted to mean something diabolical. Like a national health ID card....O my god!....can't have that. Because private insurance doesn't give people health cards right?

Anyway, this email also blasts democrats as having not read the bill. Clearly those conservatives walking around with huge piles of paper repeating these things haven't either and quite honestly are not intelligent enough to have understood it (even tho there are several) if they had.
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Eric68601 Donating Member (178 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 10:12 PM
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4. I think I know which one you are talking about.
Edited on Fri Aug-07-09 10:13 PM by Eric68601
Is it THIS one here? I am assuming it is, yes THESE points need to be countered right away:

Pg 22 of the HC Bill MANDATES the Govt will audit books of ALL EMPLOYERS that self insure!!

Pg 30 Sec 123 of HC bill - THERE WILL BE A GOVT COMMITTEE that decides what treatments/benes u get

Pg 29 lines 4-16 in the HC bill - YOUR HEALTHCARE IS RATIONED!!!

Pg 42 of HC Bill - The Health Choices Commissioner will choose UR HC Benefits 4 you. U have no choice!

PG 50 Section 152 in HC bill - HC will be provided 2 ALL non US citizens, illegal or otherwise
Pg 58HC Bill - Govt will have real-time access 2 individs finances & a National ID Healthcard will b issued!

Pg 59 HC Bill lines 21-24 Govt will have direct access 2 ur banks accts 4 elect. funds transfer

PG 65 Sec 164 is a payoff subsidized plan 4 retirees and their families in Unions & community orgs (ACORN).

Pg 72 Lines 8-14 Govt is creating an HC Exchange 2 bring priv HC plans under Govt control.

PG 84 Sec 203 HC bill - Govt mandates ALL benefit pkgs 4 priv. HC plans in the Exchange

PG 85 Line 7 HC Bill - Specs for of Benefit Levels for Plans = The Govt will ration ur Healthcare!

PG 91 Lines 4-7 HC Bill - Govt mandates linguistic approp svcs. Example - Translation 4 illegal aliens

Pg 95 HC Bill Lines 8-18 The Govt will use groups i.e., ACORN & Americorps 2 sign up indiv. for Govt HC plan

PG 85 Line 7 HC Bill - Specs of Ben Levels 4 Plans. #AARP members - U Health care WILL b rationed

-PG 102 Lines 12-18 HC Bill - Medicaid Eligible Indiv. will b automat.enrolled in Medicaid. No choice

pg 124 lines 24-25 HC No company can sue GOVT on price fixing. No "judicial review" against Govt Monop

pg 127 Lines 1-16 HC Bill - Doctors/ #AMA - The Govt will tell YOU what u can make.

Pg 145 Line 15-17 An Employer MUST auto enroll employees into pub opt plan. NO CHOICE

Pg 126 Lines 22-25 Employers MUST pay 4 HC 4 part time employees AND their families.

Pg 149 Lines 16-24 ANY Emplyr w payroll 400k & above who does not prov. pub opt. pays 8% tax on all payroll

pg 150 Lines 9-13 Biz w payroll btw 251k & 400k who doesnt prov. pub. opt pays 2-6% tax on all payroll

Pg 167 Lines 18-23 ANY individual who doesnt have acceptable HC accrdng 2 Govt will be taxed 2.5% of inc

Pg 170 Lines 1-3 HC Bill Any NONRESIDENT Alien is exempt from indiv. taxes. (Americans will pay)

Pg 195 HC Bill -officers & employees of HC Admin (GOVT) will have access 2 ALL Americans finan/pers recs

PG 203 Line 14-15 HC - "The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax" Yes, it says that

Pg 239 Line 14-24 HC Bill Govt will reduce physician svcs 4 Medicaid. Seniors, low income, poor affected

Pg 241 Line 6-8 HC Bill - Doctors, doesnt matter what specialty u have, you'll all be paid the same

PG 253 Line 10-18 Govt sets value of Dr's time, prof judg, etc. Literally value of humans.

PG 265 Sec 1131Govt mandates & controls productivity for private HC industries

PG 268 Sec 1141 Fed Govt regulates rental & purchase of power driven wheelchairs

PG 272 SEC. 1145. TREATMENT OF CERTAIN CANCER HOSPITALS - Cancer patients - welcome to
rationing!

Page 280 Sec 1151 The Govt will penalize hospitals 4 what Govt deems preventable readmissions.

Pg 298 Lines 9-11 Drs, treat a patient during initial admiss that results in a readmiss-Govt will penalize u.

Pg 317 L 13-20 OMG!! PROHIBITION on ownership/investment. Govt tells Drs. what/how much they can own.

Pg 317-318 lines 21-25,1-3 PROHIBITION on expansion- Govt is mandating hospitals cannot expand

pg 321 2-13 Hospitals have oppt to apply for exception BUT community input required. Can u say ACORN?!!

Pg335 L 16-25 Pg 336-339 - Govt mandates estab. of outcome based measures. HC the way they want. Rationing

Pg 341 Lines 3-9 Govt has authority 2 disqual Medicare Adv Plans, HMOs, etc. Forcing peeps in2 Govt plan

Pg 354 Sec 1177 - Govt will RESTRICT enrollment of Special needs ppl! WTF. My sis has down syndrome!!

Pg 379 Sec 1191 Govt creates more bureaucracy - Telehealth Advisory Cmtte. Can u say HC by phone?

PG 425 Lines 4-12 Govt mandates Advance Care Planning Consult. Think Senior Citizens end of life

Pg 425 Lines 17-19 Govt will instruct & consult regarding living wills, durable powers of atty. Mandatory!

PG 425 Lines 22-25, 426 Lines 1-3 Govt provides apprvd list of end of life resources, guiding u in death

PG 427 Lines 15-24 Govt mandates program 4 orders 4 end of life. The Govt has a say in how ur life ends

Pg 429 Lines 1-9 An "adv. care planning consult" will b used frequently as patients health deteriorates

PG 429 Lines 10-12 "adv. care consultation" may incl an ORDER 4 end of life plans. AN ORDER from GOV

Pg 429 Lines 13-25 - The govt will specify which Doctors can write an end of life order.

PG 430 Lines 11-15 The Govt will decide what level of treatment u will have at end of life

Pg 469 - Community Based Home Medical Services=Non profit orgs. Hello, ACORN Medical Svcs here!!?

Page 472 Lines 14-17 PAYMENT TO COMMUNITY-BASED ORG. 1 monthly payment 2 a community-based org. Like ACORN?

PG 489 Sec 1308 The Govt will cover Marriage & Family therapy. Which means they will insert Govt in2 ur marriage

Pg 494-498 Govt will cover Mental Health Svcs including defining, creating, rationing those svcs
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jimshoes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 05:32 PM
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2. There is only one reason these mouthy, loud
teabagging, birthers, faux listener types are even at these town hall meetings is that they have been told that by doing this, they will make Obama fail and that's uppermost in their tiny minds. They don't have the computing capacity to realize they are operating against their own best interests. In other words they're morons, or as we like to call them, morans.
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Eric68601 Donating Member (178 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 10:02 PM
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3. Perhaps your right...
But let it be known, for the record, I care about the well being of everyone, even the freepers. Especially their mental well being.:eyes:
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Manifestor_of_Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 01:27 AM
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6. Cui bono? Who benefits? N/t.
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Eric68601 Donating Member (178 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 03:05 AM
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7. Did I mention I am part Hispanic?
We say Que. ;)
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