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YewNork Donating Member (449 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-21-09 07:42 AM
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Gov't can't run Cash for Clunkers - and you want to trust them with your health care?
Edited on Fri Aug-21-09 08:21 AM by YewNork
Latest on news from opponents. They're arguing the fact that the government isn't reimbursing dealers fast enough for the
cash for clunkers program (or so the dealers are saying), and that this proves they couldn't run a health insurance system.

Of course, they're leaving out the part that the majority of people would still be insured under their existing insurers, and
that the government would take a bit more time setting up the public option to make sure that the mechanisms for timely processing of
claims was in place.
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Turbineguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-21-09 07:46 AM
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1. That argument is too long
for a bumper sticker.
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Craftsman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-21-09 07:51 AM
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2. But I have heard this at least 3 times from different coworkers
It will catch on.
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YewNork Donating Member (449 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-21-09 07:56 AM
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3. They'll all use it as an example. If anyone in the Obama administration wants to stop this...to
they'll pour all their resources into getting this problem fixed ASAP.
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Craftsman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-21-09 08:40 AM
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6. I bought a new ford ranger last Friday
under cash for clunkers and was told the dealership has yet to receive any money.
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YewNork Donating Member (449 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-21-09 08:57 AM
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7. Does anyone now if the program promised reimbursement within a specific timeframe.
Of course, it takes time to set up any program, and this program was much more successful than they expected, but the Dept of Transportation needs to react
quickly on this to remedy the problem.
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Craftsman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-21-09 09:04 AM
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8. The dealers buy the cars on a floor plan
with in a day or so after a car is sold they have to pay it in full to who ever they got their financing from. The delay in getting them money is putting them in a bind.
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YewNork Donating Member (449 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-21-09 09:08 AM
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9. The point is that the White House needs to react to put out this fire quickly.
Unfortunately, they don't seem to be reacting that fast to problems of how things are perceived by the public and perception is reality.

If you don't think Limbaugh and Hannity won't be all over this, you're kidding yourselves.
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Craftsman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-21-09 09:53 AM
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10. They already are.
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ret5hd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-21-09 08:05 AM
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4. How fast do insurance co's reimburse doctors, labs etc.
Not very damn fast.
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YewNork Donating Member (449 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-21-09 08:13 AM
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5. True. But opponents of reform won't mention that.
When did this program start and how long have the dealers actually been waiting?

Was there any timeframe specified to the dealers as to how long it would take to pay them?

The Dept of Transportation needs to pull out all the stops to get this moving.
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Celebration Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-21-09 10:29 AM
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11. Uh, wouldn't Medicare make a better comparison?
Anyone who would buy this argument has their mind made up anyway.
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Craftsman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-21-09 02:54 PM
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12. Hope not, my parents changed doctors due to the fact they stopped taking medicare
The doctors claimed it paid to little and to late.
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Celebration Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-21-09 03:30 PM
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13. in other words
The insurance companies need not worry about a public plan causing people to abandon private insurance.

:rofl:
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katkat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 09:46 AM
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15. Medicare and doctors
I definitely think Medicare should have higher reimbursement rates for doctors, and root out fraud.

However, when I went on Medicare, I lost none of my doctors, and the couple of times since then that I've needed a specialist, the most highly recommended ones took Medicare. I think doctors not taking Medicare is more talked about than actually happening.
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YewNork Donating Member (449 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-21-09 05:37 PM
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14. Yes, that's why they wouldn't use it. Their goal is to defeat reform.
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katkat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 09:48 AM
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16. Dealers thrilled
According to news articles in my neck or the woods, dealers have been thrilled with Cash for Clunkers in terms of increased sales, and it helped Ford substantially since the Ford Focus was the most bought replacement car. Unless the reimbursement stuff really fails, this ought to be easy to rebut.
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 11:42 AM
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17. Toyota Corolla most followed by Honda Civic
1. Toyota Corolla

2. Honda Civic

3. Ford Focus FWD

4. Toyota Camry

5. Toyota Prius

6. Hyundai Elantra

7. Ford Escape FWD

8. Honda Fit

9. Nissan Versa

10. Honda CR-V 4WD

See http://www.freep.com/article/20090818/BUSINESS01/90818005/1333/Toyota-selling-most-cars-in-clunker-plan
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katkat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 03:20 PM
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18. at some point
At one point it was th Ford Focus, now it appears GM holds the top spot:

General Motors 18.7%

Toyota 17.9%

Ford Motor 16.0%

Honda 11.6%

Chrysler 10.6%

Nissan 7.0%

Hyundai 6.6%

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/driveon/post/2009/08/68496267/1

Note also that a lot of "foreign" cars are built in the U.S.
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 07:30 PM
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19. Your source is dated Aug 05, 2009, the source I cited dated Aug. 18, 2009 lists Toyota as #1.
1. Toyota: 18.9%

2. General Motors: 17.6%

3. Ford: 15.4%

4. Honda: 12.9%

5. Chrysler: 9.1%

6. Nissan: 7.4%

7. Hyundai: 6.7%

8. Kia: 3.7%

9. Subaru: 2.4%

10. Mazda: 2.2%

11. Volkswagen: 2.0%

12. Suzuki: 0.5%

13. Mitsubishi: 0.4%
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ffellini7080 Donating Member (50 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 09:39 PM
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20. I'd rather the government be in charge
instead of the greedy corporations.
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