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steven johnson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-26-09 04:16 PM
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Low-carb diets harm arteries in mouse study
Here is an intriguing study which seems to show a tendency for deleterious changes in the arteries of mice genetically prone to developing arteriosclerosis who are fed a low carb diet.

Interesting, especially if you have a family history of atherosclerotic disease.



Low-carbohydrate diets, popular because they can work well for weight loss, have been linked by researchers to diseased arteries, a risk factor for stroke and heart disease. But the study looked at the effect of these diets on mice. We don't know whether people would be affected in the same way.

Low-carbohydrate weight-loss diets, such as the Atkins diet, have become popular in recent years. In a low-carbohydrate diet, people cut down on carbohydrates such as pasta and bread, rather than cutting down on fat. The diet normally includes more protein from meat and dairy products than a low-fat diet. Although there is no agreed definition of a low-carb diet, it is typically less than 20 percent carbohydrates.

Mice who'd been fed on a low-carbohydrate diet had narrower blood vessels and more fatty lumps (known as plaques) sticking to the inside of their blood vessels, compared with mice on a typical 'Western' diet high in carbohydrates. Having narrow blood vessels with lots of plaques increases the risk of heart attacks and strokes. Interestingly, the mice on the low-carb diet didn't have higher levels of cholesterol in their blood or higher levels of other markers for artery disease.

The trouble with studies in mice is that we don't know whether or not the results will also apply to people. These particular mice were bred with a high genetic chance of developing arterial disease for the study. They were given food specially prepared to mimic either a low-carbohydrate diet or a typical 'Western' diet – but neither of these is the type of diet a mouse would usually eat. So it's hard to know whether we can rely on this study to tell us how low-carbohydrate diets affect humans.

Low-carb diets harm arteries in mouse study
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-26-09 04:21 PM
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1. damned if you do, damned if you don't
This is discouraging to me, a type II diabetic who knows what carbs will do to my blood sugar.
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BadgerKid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-26-09 04:29 PM
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2. Low-carb doesn't have to be high fat. n/t
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steven johnson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-26-09 04:54 PM
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4. That's what the judge said in a lawsuit that was dismissed


The judge said a book about the diet was not an advertisement for products but rather was a guide to leading a controlled-carbohydrate lifestyle.

Besides, he noted, Gorran acknowledged he had consumed large amounts of pastrami and cheesecake, foods the average consumer expects may increase cholesterol and the risk of heart disease.

U.S. District Judge Denny Chin made the finding as he dismissed a lawsuit in which Jody Gorran of Delray Beach, Fla., claimed his cholesterol level shot up from 146 six months before he began the diet to 230 afterward, leading to severe chest pain and an angioplasty treatment.

Judge says Atkins diet has First Amendment protection
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salvorhardin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-27-09 12:19 AM
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8. Damn. An 84 point jump in serum cholesterol over six months.
Edited on Thu Aug-27-09 12:22 AM by salvorhardin
How much pastrami and cheesecake did he eat?

On edit, I'm not sure I like the wording of the judge's decision:
The judge said a book about the diet was not an advertisement for products but rather was a guide to leading a controlled-carbohydrate lifestyle.


What if the book is full of dangerous claims such as Kevin Trudeau's book?
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pscot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-26-09 04:46 PM
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3. Mice, unlike humans,
are designed to live on a high carb diet. It's what they eat. I bet wolves do just fine without carbohydrates.
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county worker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-26-09 04:57 PM
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5. I decided to try and lose 20 lbs.
I've lost 10 lbs so far.

My plan. I cut out high calorie things like candy and soda etc. Reduced my calorie intake to around 2,000 per day. I eat a vegetarian diet. I do yoga in the morning, walk about 1 to 2 miles a day and work out on a weight machine at night.

I will not have to change my plan when I reach my optimum weight.

My opinion the low carb, high carb ideas are not what a person should be paying attention to.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-26-09 05:34 PM
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6. It is all about the type of fats eaten.
One can cut down on carbs (bread, potatoes), and avoid meat and cheese, and eat sardines and nuts instead, with lots of low-carb and low-glycemic vegetables. The occasional salmon and chicken will do little harm.

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BadgerKid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-26-09 09:03 PM
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7. Those are primarily unsaturated fats.
The fish oils are particularly good for dieting.
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-27-09 07:35 AM
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9. Yes, the kind of protein you use makes the difference
No, I don't think anybody expects to improve their health eating Hungarian Pick salami, for example. :rofl:

I've been on an atkins type diet for seven years. I've been able to lose or maintain on that. I've only ever gained weight when I strayed from it.

I eat primarily fish and chicken. Sometimes I supplement with protein drinks when I can't eat a full meal. I could choose tofu too, but I don't find that it satiates me. In the same way that bread and other simple carbs do not satiate me. (I keep eating.) So, I leave that off my menu.

Nuts are great, but not if I need to lose weight. They are better when I'm trying to level off. And you can't beat the nutritional impact.

I cook primarily on olive oil too. Mostly because it's simpler.


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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-27-09 12:04 PM
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10. Yep, the only good oils
seem to be olive and coconut.
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