Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Interesting article about hypothyroidism and weight loss difficulty

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Topic Forums » Health Donate to DU
 
MorningGlow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-20-09 04:10 PM
Original message
Interesting article about hypothyroidism and weight loss difficulty
Mary Shomon is a goddess as far as I'm concerned--she brings great things to light with her advocacy for thyroid sufferers. Long article, but the gist is "Eat less and exercise more is great IF you don't have a metabolism problem caused by thyroid issues." Worth the time to read it.

Long Term Weight Loss for Thyroid Patients: Hormonal Factors That Affect Diets

http://thyroid.about.com/od/loseweightsuccessfully/a/weight-loss-diet.htm

Mary Shomon: You have said that you feel that two key hormones -- leptin and reverse T3 -- are playing a key role in regulating weight and metabolism. Can you tell us a bit about leptin, first, and what it has to do with weight loss challenges?

Kent Holtorf, MD: The hormone leptin has been found to be a major regulator of body weight and metabolism. Leptin is secreted by fat cells and the levels of leptin increase with the accumulation of fat. The increased leptin secretion that occurs with increased weight normally feeds-back to the hypothalamus as a signal that there are adequate energy (fat) stores. This stimulates the body to burn fat rather than continue to store excess fat, and stimulates thyroid releasing hormone (TRH) to increase thyroid stimulating hormone (TSH) and thyroid production.

Studies are finding, however, that the majority of overweight individuals who are having difficulty losing weight have varying degrees of leptin resistance, where leptin has a diminished ability to affect the hypothalamus and regulate metabolism. This leptin resistance results in the hypothalamus sensing starvation, so multiple mechanisms are activated to increase fat stores, as the body tries to reverse the perceived state of starvation.

<snip>

Mary Shomon: How do you treat leptin resistance in your practice?

Kent Holtorf, MD: Treatment can be focus on treating the elevated leptin -- leptin resistance. An elevated leptin also indicates, however, that the TSH is an unreliable marker for tissue thyroid levels, as the TSH is often suppressed, along with significantly reduced T4-to-T3 conversion. In short, if your leptin is elevated, you have reduced tissue thyroid levels. Also, almost all diabetics are leptin resistant, which has been shown to reduce T4-to-T3 conversion in diabetics by as much as 50% without an increase in TSH, making it very difficult for type II diabetics to lose weight.

<snip>

My favorite part (ital added):

All those trainers and health gurus that never had a weight problem who tell you to do just as they do don’t realize what a disadvantage it is for people who have had a long-term weight problem. Of course, even these trainers would not even be able to maintain their weight with a metabolism that is 20 to 40% below normal.

We test the resting metabolic rate in our thyroid patients and find it inversely correlates with the reverse T3. The higher the reverse T3, the lower the metabolism, with many such individuals having a metabolism that is 20 to 40% lower than expected for their body mass index (BMI). Nobody believes how little they eat, and they are made to feel like failures -- despite doing everything right. Until their metabolic abnormalities are addressed, diet and exercise will certainly fail to achieve long-term success.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
virgogal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-20-09 04:18 PM
Response to Original message
1.  Thanks for the great post. I have never had a weight problem but
have defended for years those that do.

I even get annoyed when folks insult Rush L because of his weight.

Since when is being overweight(according to some)be a reason for insults and ridicule?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
MorningGlow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-20-09 05:29 PM
Response to Reply #1
6. You're welcome
It's a nightmare for thyroid sufferers--before being diagnosed as hypothyroid, we gain weight practically overnight, WHILE dieting and exercising, which is beyond frustrating--it's depressing. And then doctors are more willing to prescribe antidepressants than proper thyroid medication, because we're all hysterical women looking for a weight loss pill, doncha know (most hypothyroid patients are women). I've been on natural desiccated thyroid for several years, but I can't lose weight (although I've pretty much stopped gaining--glass half full and all that)...and I've got quite a bit to lose. I hope information like this will help.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-20-09 04:18 PM
Response to Original message
2. My family and especially my sister have this problem. It took a long
time for someone to finally diagnose it but our genealogy shows it. We have 4 generations that we can trace back that have such things as dwarfism (2), very extreme weight (2), very tall (4) people and yes many just normal people. From my sister's experience dieting just adds to the problem.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-20-09 04:33 PM
Response to Original message
3. I don't understand all the science
but I can certainly vouch for your last paragraph. I never had an issue with my weight at all, staying between 120 and 130 all my adult life, until my thyroid went out in my 50s. I gained 30 pounds for no apparent reason at all and no amount of diet or exercise would make it budge. Finally one year when I went for my yearly pap smear, the doctor did blood work to check my estrogen level since I was approaching menopause and discovered that my TSH level was 45 (normal being between 1 and 4). The doctor couldn't believe I was still walking around, but I thought I had felt fine. Medication did make a difference, though.

I've since been leveled off with Synthroid, but I just can't seem to lose the weight that I put on at that time. I watch what I eat very carefully, very seldom consuming more than 1500 calories a day, I exercise on the elliptical machine for 1/2 hour five days a week and do Yoga, but I doubt I will ever see 130 again unless I get really sick.

I don't look bad, and I've resigned myself to the extra weight since I know I'm healthy - low cholesterol, low BP, lots of energy - but I know that the "experts" put me in the "overweight" category since I'm 10 pounds over BMI.

I guess at 63 I shouldn't worry myself about this stuff.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Manifestor_of_Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-20-09 05:17 PM
Response to Reply #3
5. You might try Armour Thyroid instead of Synthroid.
Synthroid is T4 only. Armour has T3 and T4 both. Docs don't like to prescribe Armour b/c they have been brainwashed against it in med school. It's cheap and effective.

Right now it is nearly impossible to get Armour because they are reformulating and the FDA is threatening to take it off the market for testing, since it was grandfathered in as safe, and has been used since about 1890.

Read more: www.stopthethyroidmadness.com

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-20-09 05:49 PM
Response to Reply #5
7. Thank you.
I have a new doctor (my endocrinologist was not a "preferred provider" ... grr), so maybe I'll ask the new doc about this the next time I see her. I have heard this suggestion before, but I just never followed up.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-20-09 04:52 PM
Response to Original message
4. Thanks so much for posting this...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
NJCher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-20-09 11:48 PM
Response to Original message
8. very interesting
and totally believable.

The links at the end of the story are good, too.

Thanks for posting this MG.


Cher

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
BadgerKid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 12:25 AM
Response to Original message
9. Bromocriptine may correct for leptin resistance
though it's primarily a drug for Parkinson's patients. Bromo is known within the weightlifting community for those looking to reduce bodyfat percentages.

A little Google-fu should turn up the relevant discussions.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 04:22 AM
Response to Original message
10. Thanks with k&r for Mary Shomon. She saved my life & my sanity. No snarks needed. nt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
2Design Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 08:00 AM
Response to Original message
11. What are some natural herbs that might give similar results - no health insurance
therefore no doctor
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
wuvuj Donating Member (874 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 08:04 AM
Response to Original message
12. I used tincture of iodine...
..over the last 4 months or so...result being maybe a little more clarity of thinking.....finally realizing that Rush is a gasbag. :think:


http://www.noaw.com/Iodine%20Def/tincture_of_iodine.htm

Can find this on amazon.com.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Chemisse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 06:39 PM
Response to Reply #12
13. Just don't use this if you are pregnant! - nt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
wuvuj Donating Member (874 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 08:03 PM
Response to Reply #13
15. If I'm pregnant...
...I'm pretty much SOL.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Fire_Medic_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 06:53 PM
Response to Original message
14. Who tells people with hypothyroidism that they shouldn't address the metabolic abnormalities?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Thu May 02nd 2024, 11:20 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Topic Forums » Health Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC