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Swede Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-27-09 11:56 PM
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Sunday Express cancer jab story denied (anti-Gardisal story complete fiction)
I agreed with Gary Andrews, who described the story as "not just wrong, but dangerously misleading to a degree that goes beyond scary."

But it transpires that it was an even worse piece of journalism than we thought. The Guardian's bad science columnist Ben Goldacre has discovered that it was false in every respect because it rested on statements from a single expert, Diane Harper, who trenchantly denies all the quotes attributed to her.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/greenslade/2009/oct/10/sundayexpress-express-newspapers
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liberal_at_heart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-28-09 12:01 AM
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1. we have to remember that when this first came out
it wasn't the I'm leary of all vaccines crowd that was trying to destroy the campaign to get girls vaccinated with Gardisal. It was the religious groups who insisted that if girls got the shot it would encourage them to have sex. That group is still out there, so we have to be careful about the information that is out there. If you are leary of all vaccines that is one thing but be careful you are not reading material put out there by the religious crowds that may be tainting the information.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-28-09 04:19 AM
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2. "*complete* fiction"? she made the statements in a public speech, & here are some of her reported
comments, all of which are demonstrably TRUE, per the research.



"She went on to surprise the audience by stating that the incidence of cervical cancer in the U.S. is already so low that “even if we get the vaccine and continue PAP screening, we will not lower the rate of cervical cancer in the US.”

There will be no decrease in cervical cancer until at least 70 percent of the population is vaccinated, and even then, the decrease will be minimal.

Apparently, conventional treatment and preventative measures are already cutting the cervical cancer rate by four percent a year. At this rate, in 60 years, there will be a 91.4 percent decline just with current treatment. Even if 70 percent of women get the shot and required boosters over the same time period, which is highly unlikely, Harper says Gardasil still could not claim to do as much as traditional care is already doing.

Dr. Harper, who also serves as a consultant to the World Health Organization, further undercut the case for mass vaccination by saying that “four out of five women with cervical cancer are in developing countries.”

Ms. Robinson said she could not help but wonder, “If this is the case, then why vaccinate at all? But from the murmurs of the doctors in the audience, it was apparent that the same thought was occurring to them.”

However, at this point, Dr. Harper dropped an even bigger bombshell on the audience when she announced that, “There have been no efficacy trials in girls under 15 years.”"


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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-28-09 06:21 AM
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4. Wrong story (title of this OP is misleading - this is about Cervarix, not Gardasil)
Harper may have made a public speech about Gardasil, but this was claimed as "Speaking exclusively to the Sunday Express, Dr Diane Harper ...", and being about the vaccine being used in Britain - Cervarix. And notice how the Express headlined it: "JAB AS DEADLY AS THE CANCER ".

From Goldacre's piece:

She did not say that Cervarix was being overmarketed. "I did say that Merck was egregiously overmarketing Gardasil in the US – but Gardasil and Cervarix are not the same vaccines."

Here is the tragedy. In a clear example of how academics are often independent-minded about the interventions they work on, Harper is a critic of Gardasil, or more specifically of how it is marketed. Briefly, her view is that we do not yet know how long the protection from these vaccines will last, and this will affect the cost-benefit decisions.

She is concerned that aggressive advertising aimed directly at the public – which is not permitted in Europe – may lead people to falsely believe they are invincible to HPV (human papilloma viruses, some types of which can increase the risk of developing cervical cancer), and so neglect other precautions. She also suspects from modelling data that for the specific and restricted group ofwomen who are punctilious about attending every single one of their cervical cancer screening appointments, vaccination may have little impact on their risk of death from cancer; but even they will benefit from the reduction in reproductive problems caused by treating pre-cancerous changes in cervical cells.

The article has now gone from the Express website, and Harper has complained to the Press Complaints Commission. "I fully support the HPV vaccines," she says. "I believe that in general they are safe in most women. I told the Express all of this."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2009/oct/10/ben-goldacre-cervical-cancer-jab


The Express's 'reporting' was absolutely appalling. It really was full of misinformation and lies.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-28-09 05:17 AM
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3. He investigates bad science, or he is a bad reporter? n/t
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-28-09 06:26 AM
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5. He's a doctor that writes a column for The Guardian, called 'Bad Science'
Edited on Wed Oct-28-09 06:27 AM by muriel_volestrangler
About the bad representation of science (mainly health related, but that's fairly broad - he's had a go at cosmetics companies for the meaningless twaddle in their marketing, for instance) by the media, 'alternative medicine', nutritionists, and drug companies.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/series/badscience
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PHIMG Donating Member (814 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-28-09 10:16 AM
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6. Of course its "complete fiction" there are billions ot be made!
My doctor said it was a bullshit vaccine. I was stunned but he said that it the risk/reward ratio was not good.
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-29-09 01:17 PM
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12. There's also a lot of money to be made by publishing right-wing and sensationalist tabloids ...
like the Express.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-28-09 03:45 PM
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7. Seems like a convenient way to dismiss Harpers legitimate concerns?
Makes me wonder who's really behind the "falsified" story.
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Fire_Medic_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-28-09 04:12 PM
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8. Surely not.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-28-09 09:51 PM
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9. ...
' because it rested on statements from a single expert, Diane Harper, who trenchantly denies all the quotes attributed to her. '
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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-29-09 06:58 AM
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10. Deserves another kick just for this quote.
Koresh damn, I'm sick of anti-vax lies.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-29-09 08:31 AM
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11. ain't that right! nt
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