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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-05 01:43 AM
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Spread of Autism
The cover story of this week Newsweek is about Autism.

Included in the story is a map showing the distribution of autism and at first I noticed that Minnesota and Oregon have the highest percentage. But as I was looking more in the map, I realized that... it closely follows the blue states, including Hawaii, plus GA, NC, VA, IA, MO, AK and SD.

And I think that it is not so much that there are more cases of autism in these states - more than 2 per 1,000 children, while the red states have less than 2 - but that children are better diagnosed in, yes, advanced states with advanced medical care.

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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-05 01:54 AM
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1. the cause has to be something environmental . . .
incidence increases of the magnitude we're seeing just ain't natural, ya know? . . . the question that needs to be answered is just what the causitive environmental factor actually is . . .
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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-05 01:58 AM
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2. Could be.
Especially when more than one child in a family is afflicted. Yet, it develops in babies so where is the environmental exposure? During pregnancy?
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China_cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-05 06:25 AM
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8. I know a couple who have 2 autistic
sons. They were told after the first one that their chances of having another child who would also be autistic were very high. In their case it proved out.

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cdgarfinkel Donating Member (8 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-05 11:21 PM
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19. Environmental exposure
It can be in pregnancy (flu shot, rhogam shots both contain mercury, dental work involving mercury based fillings, excess seafood) or as a baby via vaccines containing mercury.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 10:28 PM
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32. Mercury has been removed from most vaccines
and the numnbers continue to escalate. In any case, the sharp spike in the increase of autism cases per number of live births happened DECADES after things like amalgam fillings and thimerosol in vaccines came into widespread use.

The numbers just don't work out. Sorry.

However, there's got to be something in this miasma of chemicals we're slowly being poisoned with that does affect the fetus and infant in this way. It could be a dumped industrial chemical or an agricultural chemical. Because it might hurt corporations to find out for sure, the studies are simply not being done.

It's not even coal fired power plants. Coal was used in every household in industrial revolution England and there was no spike in any sort of childhood dementia. There was plenty of consumption and cholera, but not that.

My guess is that mercury is not the culprit. My guess is that the culprit is something that came into wide usage starting in the late 1980s, something that nobody is considering at present.
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Dear Maggie Donating Member (268 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-05 11:14 PM
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26. Likely a teratogen chemical exposure
A parent harmed by 2-butoxyethanol, per research by the World Health Organization have children more likely to develop brain tumors and leukemia.

It is an Endocrine Disruptor Chemical that damages the Central Nervous System ... and it is a pesticide, so all glands, including the pituitary are at risk

Many times children of those over-exposed to such a chemical can have babies that have the hemangiomas and are born with low birth weight and born prematurely

I do suspect this chemical of things such as children with autism

Just today I heard of a Vietnam vet whose 2 children born after his service had 1-Autism and 2-Grown abnormalities

Dioxin got a bad rap, folks. Look at the list of what happened to the Vietnam Vet & it is the list of harm that 2-butoxyethanol does
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linazelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-05 02:00 AM
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3. The stories they've been running on the news blame Mercury
as the culprit. There's been a lot of talk of it being in our fish in very high levels. I even heard Bobby Kennedy Jr. on AAR say he got himself tested and found he has excessive levels. Fish is a no-no for women of childbearing age. Period.
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phylny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-05 06:09 AM
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7. My three daughters are teens
(ranging in age from 19 - 13) and I've told them I don't want them eating fish, period, until after they're finished having babies.

I work with a lot of kids with autism, and it's so devastating. I wish they'd get to the bottom of what's triggering it. I do believe it's environmental, with some kids being more susceptible than others.
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China_cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-05 06:26 AM
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9. But the main blame is supposedly
mercury in vaccines. Except that there hasn't been any for quite a few years and autism rates are exactly the same in unvaccinated populations.

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cdgarfinkel Donating Member (8 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-05 07:11 PM
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17. Common misconception that mercury has been removed for years
In 1999 the FDA recommended that mercury be removed from vaccines. It was not mandated. There were millions of vaccines sitting on the shelves in doctors offices and to waste these would have damaged profits so they were not removed. It's not until late 2002/early 2003 that most mercury is removed. Still only two states (California & Iowa) have bans on mercury in child vaccines. Most flu shots (mandated for children) still have mercury.
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lenidog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-05 03:01 AM
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4. Has anyone ever looked at it statistically?
I mean when was autism first diagnosed as a disease and did they start to track it? Since that date how much has the population grown and are they taking into account that growth?
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KT2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-05 04:27 AM
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5. Yes - you will need
to look up the individual studies but population growth has been considered and cannot account for the increase, nor does better diagnosis. This is happening in Europe too.

We all really need to think of the implications of this. This is not a story about a disease that is affecting "other families" but it is a story about the reduced viability of our population.

It is not just autism but many neurological disorders are increasing in incidence. Europe is doing a better job of tracking these illnesses.

hint: we are currently dumping millions of tons of neurotoxins over he earth and inside our homes. Hormone mimicing chemicals can interfere with proper brain development when the fetus is exposed at critical times.

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cdgarfinkel Donating Member (8 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-05 07:15 PM
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18. Tracking autism
This is one of the main arguments opponents of the vaccines theory raise. It is baseless. If this is just do to better diagnosing where are all of the autistic adults? There would have to be millions of them to keep up with what we are currently seeing. How many of you knew autistic children when you were growing up? I didn't know any. Matter of fact, I didn't know anyone with asthma or food allergies either.

There is definitely improved diagnosing happening today. But it's not the reason why we're seeing this. These kids stand out. You would have noticed someone banging there head and spinning around in circles when you were growing up. They just weren't there (at least not in these numbers).
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-28-05 02:40 PM
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28. I disagree. My son has
Asperger's Syndrome, a type of high-functioning autism, and I believe it's simply a matter of higher awareness and better diagnostic techniques, along with much better knowledge on the part of the medical community.

I can think of many people I've known through the years who likely had either Asperger's or some form of autism and didn't know it because there wasn't the level of awareness and diagnosis that there is today. I just think it's a matter of better diagnostics and higher awareness.
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KlatooBNikto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-05 05:44 AM
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6. For a long time, I have believed that the use of synthetic (man-made)
Edited on Wed Feb-23-05 05:48 AM by KlatooBNikto
chemicals like Teflon, Silicones and others that are not found in nature are the causes of a lot of our illnesses, diagnosed and undiagnosed. It would be a great reserach project for some of our scientists to measure the levels of some of these chemicals in our tissues and blood and monitor their increases year by year and correlate them with some of the illnesses we are concerned about. I am even sure that the concentrations of these chemicals grow from one generation to the next.

I came to this conclusions after I saw the wives of several of my friends develop breast cancer in the past ten years.It is one thing to see one woman among your acquaintances develop that deadly disease.To see four women within a decade succumb to the same disease made me think we are dealing with something in our environment ( I even suspect our lawn chemicals and household cleaners, detergents etc.).Another source, especially in women, are hair colors, chemicals, makeup,lipstick and even nail polish. These are used by millions of women every day and I believe that the chemicals are absorbed through the skin into our bloodstreams and accumulate by long term use.

The only thing I know is that these things seem to grow worse. Are children and women becoming the canaries of our society warning us something is seriously amiss?
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Az Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-05 07:40 AM
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10. Slow news combined with improved diagnostics creates an explosion
The media desperate for something new to scare parents with has latched onto a rather simple anamoly. Our ability to diagnose autism has improved substantially. Many cases that would have simply been chalked up as mental retardation in the past are now properly diagnosed as autism. And further still cases of Aspergers syndrome(high functional autism) which would have gone undiagnosed are being caught as well.

Stop feeding the panic the media thrives on. Its not the water. Its not our food source. Its the improving ability to diagnose that is turning up the new cases.
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-05 07:43 AM
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11. So...There's been a dramatic DECREASE in diagnosed retardation?
:shrug:
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Domitan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-05 07:44 AM
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12. Bingo!
There's a lot of hysteria over the causes of autism. While we can't totally rule out the environment, too many people neglect the diagnosis angle. Since DSM-IV came out, there's been a boom of children being diagnosed with autism. If you look at the timeline, you'll see a huge spike when and after DSM-IV was released.

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PA Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-05 12:27 PM
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13. California study does not support your claim about better diagnosis
California excludes Aspergers from their autism statistics, and has actually recently tightened up the criteria for categorizing someone as autistic, and the growth trend continues.

<snip>

The state has used new, stricter criteria since 2003 for diagnosing autism, but that also has not made a difference. The number of new cases of mental retardation and cerebral palsy -- which also are diagnosed using new criteria -- fell since 2003.

Byrd and others say a greater awareness of autism may account for some of the increase. Parents, pediatricians and schools now recognize the symptoms earlier and refer children for treatment. But that doesn't completely explain the increase, they believe.

"Some people who were skeptical of the original Department of Developmental Services report (looking at the 10-year increase) now believe this is a serious public health policy concern, that the increases are legitimate beyond just better diagnosis," Huff said.


http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2005/02/04/MNGH2B60I41.DTL


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PA Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-05 12:42 PM
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14. Since when have environmental factors been ruled out?
Everything I've read recently points to a combination of environment and genetics.

<snip>

Researchers agree that an unknown number of genes interact with unidentified environmental factors to produce the disorder. The new clues focus on brain development and circuitry, and especially on the brain's white matter. White matter contains fibers that connect neurons in separate areas of the brain, whereas gray matter contains the neurons themselves. "You can think of this distinction as analogous to that between cables, or white matter, and circuit boards, or gray matter, inside a computer," said Dr. Matthew Belmonte, an autism researcher at the University of Cambridge in England. "Even though each individual circuit board may be intact, if the cables are disrupted then the computer can't function."

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/02/08/health/08brai.html?or...

Your remark about "feeding the panic" is offensive to those of us who have been struggling for YEARS to raise the public's awareness about autism. Autism research, in the past was GROSSLY underfunded because of the lack of attention autism received.

And most importantly, the media attention has driven parents to seek EARLIER medical attention for kids who are delayed. Study after peer-reviewed study shows a direct correlation between early treatment of kids with autism and improved outcomes.

As the mother of a 13 year old with autism, I am thrilled with the media attention that autism has FINALLY received.
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cdgarfinkel Donating Member (8 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-05 03:42 PM
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16. Environmental factor
You are absolutely right about this. There has to be an environmental factor. Genes don't change overnight to account for this. I'm not saying genes don't play a role. They do. Please see my post regarding thimerosal.
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cdgarfinkel Donating Member (8 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-05 01:02 PM
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15. Evidence that thimerosal has caused the autism epidemic
Hi Everyone,

I am the father of a 3 year old, recovering autistic son. We got the diagnosis at 18 months and in the time since I have dedicated myself to understanding this disorder and recovering my son from it.

I have learned that autism is really mercury poisoning. The epidemic we are seeing now is the result of the mercury preservative in vaccines. This is not to say that autism cannot occur in other ways. It can. But the explosion we are seeing today is directly linked to the increase in mercury given to our children in the early 90's. Genes do play a part but it would be impossible for it to be the only cause. There is no such thing as a "genetic epidemic." Genes don't change that fast. Some people have genes that make them susceptible to autism - they don't do as a good a job detoxing heavy metals like mercury.

The drug companies are aware of it. The FDA & CDC are too. They chose to cover it up. All of these statements can be proven. There is an excellent book coming out that will describe all of this in detail. It is called Evidence of Harm (www.evidenceofharm) by David Kirby. I had the priviledge of seeing a presentation by David Kirby last week and the evidence is staggering. I am posting my notes from David Kirby's presentation below. Then I will post a compilation of evidence compiled by another dad of an autistic son. My goal in doing all of this is to spread awareness. The drug companies responsible for this and the government agencies that let it happen are trying desperately to cover this up. This is a non-partisan issue that should not be covered up. Mercury is still in flu shots for children and rhogam shots for pregnant women. Adult vaccines contain it as well. The worst part is that because the drug companies cannot admit that mercury is causing this, they cannot use this knowledge in developing a cure. Additionally, the drug companies are using their influence to try and get bills passed to protect them and take away the rights of vaccine injured children.

I know this is tough to believe. I urge you to read all of the information I am presenting before you comment. Here is a post I made on a Yahoo group (ChelatingKids2) for parents of autistic children:

I strongly encourage everyone to hear this presentation. It was truly UNBELIEVABLE. If you, or someone you know, is on the fence regarding whether or not thimerisol has caused an autism epidemic I strongly advise you to see this presentation & read David's book when it becomes available. I know most of us on these lists already know that mercury in vaccines caused an autism epidemic. We've all seen individual posts highlighting a particular issue showing evidence to support this claim. But when you see a 60 page presentation that really covers the entire history it is quite different than anything we've ever seen before. The fact that David Kirby is an eloquent speaker who has spent years researching the issues and truly does present both sides makes this even more appealing - and shocking.

As I was listening to the presentation I couldn't help but view the key players at some of the drug companies, the FDA & CDC as criminals. These people either KNEW that they were poisoning our kids or they SHOULD HAVE KNOWN.

Lilly knew in the 1930's that thimerosal was toxic. Their employees that handled the product received tremendous warning of its toxicity and danger. We did not.

Mercury was known to cause the "Mad Hatter" & Pink Disease and was subsequently removed from these products. But it was not removed from vaccines. It's interesting to note that not everyone exposed to mercury filled teething rings developed Pink Disease. It was about 1 in 500 indicating that some had a genetic susceptibility to it. Sound familiar?

In the late 80's & early 90's MORE thimerosal was given to our kids. The amount of mercury our children were receiving was WAY ABOVE the safe limit as set forth by our government. But the FDA failed to do simple arithmatic and come to this conclusion. Merck did come to this conclusion in 1991 but FAILED TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT. Just imagine what life would be like for us if Merck was only willing to spend a little more to produce non toxic vaccines.

The FDA was asked to determine if our children were receiving too much mercury in vaccines. So they looked at the 162.5 mcg of mercury received in the first 6 months of life and divided by 180 for the # of days in 6 months. This gave them an average of .9 mcg/day which is just above EPA limits but below FDA & CDC limits. So basically they summed it up as no big deal. But their logic is EXTREMELY flawed and they obviously knew this. Our kids received their mercury on 4 occasions, not spread over 180 days. The example David Kirby uses is great. It's safe to take 2 Tylenol's a day but it's NOT SAFE to take a whole container of Tylenol in one sitting.

Then Congress ordered the CDC to study the effect of thimerisol containing vaccines on autism in 1999. The first study, which of course was NEVER PUBLISHED, showed a relative risk of 7.6. A relative risk of 2 is considered proof of correlation in court. THIS WAS CLEAR EVIDENCE. But they repeated the study FOUR MORE TIMES until they were able to report that there was no risk. Thank god for the Freedom of Information Act. These people are on record indicating that there is a clear correlation and that they are having a hard time presenting the data in a way that produces the outcome they are looking for. One person even comments that he won't let HIS grandson get vaccinated after looking at this data. But after 5 data manipulations they had finally succeeded. They carefully selected the data they would study. They watered down the data by looking at kids in the first year of life which is way too early to ever receive a diagnosis. And they published this trash and said they would no longer look at thimerisol as a cause of autism.

They were hoping we would just go away. But that will never happen. There is so much more evidence that I haven't included in my rant (which is quickly becoming a novel in itself - sorry about that!). I can't wait for this book to come out and you'll be happy to know that David Kirby announced that it will be made into a movie.


OK, now here is the body of evidence that we parents have been compiling:

Mercury Poisoning: Proof??

Myth #15 The scientific standard for proof is a double-blind, placebo-controlled study. If you are so sure mercury causes autism, where is this study to prove it?

First, there is no double-blind, placebo-controlled study to show Thimerosal is safe. In order to do an effective double-blind, placebo-controlled study, you would need to vaccinate a group of children with Thimerosal-containing vaccines and vaccinate another group of children with Thimerosal-free vaccines using the current vaccine schedule, then follow their development over a 2-3 year period, and see which ones develop neurological issues and which do not. Obviously, this would be a challenging study to recruit children for, "Your child will be part of a study where they may receive a vaccine with a substance in it that many believe causes autism. Would you like to participate?" Given the impracticality of such a study, here are some alternative studies that could be done:

1. You could analyze the data the government maintains through its "Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System" and compare the data they already have on children who received Thimerosal-containing vaccines against children who did not receive Thimerosal in their vaccines. This study has already been done by Mark & David Geier and showed a high correlation between Thimerosal dosing and neurological disorders:

Thimerosal in Childhood Vaccines, Neurodevelopmental Disorders, and Heart Disease in the United States Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons Mark Geier, M.D., Ph.D., David A. Geier Spring 2003

2. You could compare the symptoms of mercury poisoning and the symptoms of autism and see how similar they are. This study has already been done and demonstrated that the symptoms of autism and the symptoms of mercury poisoning are exactly the same:

Autism: a Novel Form of Mercury Poisoning Medical Hypothesis 2001 Sally Bernard, et. al December 2000

3. You could administer a chelating agent to remove heavy metals, including mercury, to a group of autistic children and to a group of neurotypical children and measure the amount of mercury coming out of the children to see if there are any differences. This study has already been done by Jeff Bradstreet et.al. and showed that autistic children excrete significantly more mercury than neurotypical children:

A Case-Control Study of Mercury Burden in Children with Autistic Spectrum Disorder Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons, Volume 8, Number 3 Jeff Bradstreet, M.D., David Geier, B.A., Jerold Kartzinel, M.D., James Adams, Ph.D., Mark Geier, M.D., Ph.D. Summer 2003

4. You could inject a group of mice with Thimerosal in doses that proportionally mimic the timing and amount received according to the recommended vaccination schedule and compare these mice to a control group for neurological development. This study has already been done by Mady Hornig et al. and showed that a subset of mice with genetic detoxification impairments who received Thimerosal injections developed "autistic symptoms":

Neurotoxic Effects of Postnatal Thimerosal are Mouse Strain Dependent Molecular Psychiatry Dr. Mady Hornig, Columbia University College of Physicians and Surgeons May 2004

5. You could compare the first baby haircuts of autistic children versus neurotypical children to see if there are any differences in the patterns of heavy metal excretion (hair is one of the ways the body excretes metals). This study has already been done and showed that autistic children demonstrated an impaired ability to excrete metals from birth:

Reduced Levels of Mercury in First Baby Haircuts of Autistic Children International Journal of Toxicology Dr. Amy S. Holmes, Mark F. Blaxill, Boyd E. Haley, Ph.D. March 14, 2003

6. You could run a trial of 31 autistic children where you chelated patients over the course of twelve months and had parents videotape their children and test urine and fecal samples for toxic metals every other month. You could then compare the children's progress and symptoms from the beginning to the end of treatment. This study was done by Dr. Rashid Buttar and he made the following statement before Congress:

Autism, the Misdiagnosis of our Future Generations Testimony, U.S. Congressional Sub-Committee Hearing Rashid A. Buttar, DO, Vice Chairman, American Board of Clinical Metal Toxicology May 6, 2004

"The Autism study consisted of 31 patients with the diagnoses of autism, autism like spectrum, and pervasive developmental delay. Inclusion criteria was simple, including an independent diagnosis of the above mentioned conditions from either a neurologist or pediatrician, and the desire of the parent to try the treatment protocol using TD-DMPS. All patients were enrolled sequentially as they presented to the clinic and only those who did not wish to participate in the TD-DMPS were not included. All 31 patients were tested for metal toxicity using four different tests: urine metal toxicity and essential minerals, hair metal toxicity and essential minerals, RBC metal toxicity, and fecal metal toxicity, all obtained from Doctor's Data Laboratory. These tests were performed at baseline, and repeated at 2 months, 4 months, 6 months, 8 months, 10 months, 12 months, and then every 4 months there after. All 31 patients showed little or no level of mercury on the initial baseline test results. Slide #37 shows an example of a baseline test result of one participant in the study showing very little mercury. Compared to the baseline results all 31 patients showed significantly higher levels of mercury as treatment continued. Slide #39 shows significantly higher mercury levels in this same study patient after two months of treatment with the TD-DMPS, with results showing approximately a 350% increase from previous baseline levels. The improvements in the patients in the study correlated with increased yield in measured mercury levels upon subsequent testing. Essentially, what was noted was that as more mercury was eliminated, the more noticeable the clinical improvements and the more dramatic the change in the patient. The manifestations of this evidence for clinical improvements included many observations but were specifically quantifiable with some patients who had no prior history of speech starting to speak at the age of 6 or 7, sometimes in full sentences. Patients also exhibited substantially improved behavior, reduction and eventual cessation of all stemming behavior, return of full eye contact, and rapid potty training, sometimes in children that were 5 or 6 but had never been successfully potty trained. Additional findings reported by parents included improvement and increase in rate of physical growth increased, as well as the child beginning to follow instructions, becoming affectionate and social with siblings or other children, seeking interaction with others, appropriate in response, and a rapid acceleration of verbal skills. The results in many of these children has been documented on video and other physicians involved with this protocol have been successfully able to reproduce the same results.

Mercury is the "spark" that causes the "fires" of Autism as well as Alzheimer's. Autism is the result of high mercury exposure early in life versus Alzheimer's is a chronic accumulation of mercury over a life time. A doctor can treat ALL the "fires" but until the "spark" is removed, there is minimal hope of complete recovery with most improvements being transient at best. However, once the process of mercury removal has been effectively started, the damage is curtailed and full recovery becomes possible..."

7. You could remove the mercury from some autistic children and not remove mercury from other autistic children and see if there was any difference in cognitive improvement over time. This is what hundreds of doctors and thousands of parents are doing every day throughout the country right now and seeing their children recover.

Myth #16 The scientific and medical communities have proven there is no correlation between Thimerosal in vaccines and autism

The argument that "there is no proof" or that "they proved there was no connection" is often made by the mainstream press and many spokespeople in the medical and regulatory community regarding the link between mercury and autism. It is important for any parent to view these statements critically and understand what is actually supporting these claims. The only science that claims to refute the connection is epidemiological science. What this means is that the science claiming to establish proof of no connection is based on statistical analysis of population data comparing vaccine data to data regarding neurological disorders. There have never been any medical studies done to establish "no proof" in the way many studies have been done in Myth #15. No analysis of Thimerosal toxicity, no safety testing of mercury, no placebo-controlled studies following children for five years after receiving mercury injections. Nothing.

Further, the actual epidemiological science that is held up of "proof" of no connection is both paltry and controversial. The totality of the "scientific evidence" demonstrating no connection is three clusters of recently released information from the medical and scientific community. Namely:

- A CDC study that appeared in Pediatrics in November of 2003 is the primary study held up as "proof" of no connection between Thimerosal and autism. This is astonishing in light of the fact that both the study itself and the author of the study said that their analysis was "inconclusive" and more research was required. The study that forms the basis for the assertion of "proof" admits it did not prove anything! Also, Pediatrics represented that the author of the study was an employee of the CDC when in fact he had become an employee of Glaxo SmithKline, a vaccine manufacturer. (See Myth #17)

- Four studies from Denmark appearing in four separate medical journals in 2002-2003 asserting that Denmark's data, where Thimerosal was removed from vaccines in 1992, demonstrates no link between Thimerosal and autism. Not only has the methodology of the "Denmark Studies" been refuted, but also it was later established that the authors of all 4 studies have an economic interest in and/or are employees of a Danish vaccine manufacturer who had recently received a big order from the United States for Thimerosal-containing vaccines. The journals did not mention this association in any of the reports. (See Myth #18)

- A study by the Institute of Medicine released in March 2004 that claimed there was no link between Thimerosal and autism. The IOM did not do any primary research, they simply reviewed the research that had already been done, focusing mostly on the aforementioned CDC and Danish studies as the basis for their conclusion. (See Myth #19)

Myth #17 The CDC did a study and proved there was no link between mercury in vaccines and autism.

In the November 2003 a study appeared in the medical journal Pediatrics titled, "Safety of Thimerosal-Containing Vaccines: A Two- Phased Study of Computerized Health Maintenance Organization Databases" written by Thomas Verstraeten who had been an employee of the Center For Disease Control. By the time the study was published, he was an employee of Glaxo SmithKline, a vaccine manufacturer. It is this study, more than any other, which has formed the basis for the mainstream medical community to claim that the link between vaccines and autism has been disproven. This study is also routinely cited in the mainstream press on the autism/mercury topic as the "proof" of no connection. Here are the facts:

1. The study itself was wholly inconclusive. It never states anywhere in the study that there is no link between Thimerosal and neurodevelopmental issues. In fact, the study specifically states:

"The biological plausibility of the small doses of ethylmercury present in vaccines leading to increased risks of neurodevlopmental disorders is uncertain...For elucidating further whether a causal association exists between thimerosal exposure and nuerodevelopmental conditions, additional studies with different designs will be needed."

2. The study's own author, Thomas Verstraeten, confirmed that the study was completely inconclusive. In a letter to Pediatrics five months after the publication of the study, he writes:

"I am the first author of a recent article on a study undertaken by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) to screen for a potential link between thimerosal-containing vaccines and neurodevelopmental delays. The article has been subject to heavy criticism from antivaccine lobbyists...Because I was responsible for nearly all aspects of this study, including study design, data gathering, data analysis, and writing of the article, I wish to give my opinion on these claims... Surprisingly, however, the study is being

interpreted now as negative by many, including the antivaccine lobbyists. The article does not state that we found evidence against an association, as a negative study would. It does state, on the contrary, that additional study is recommended, which is the conclusion to which a neutral study must come. Does a neutral outcome reduce the value of a study? It may make it less attractive to publishers and certainly to the press, but it in no way diminishes its scientific and public health merit. A neutral study carries a very distinct message: the investigators could neither confirm nor exclude an association, and therefore more study is required."

3. There is compelling evidence that the initial analysis by the CDC provided for a pronounced, positive correlation between exposure to Thimerosal and a wide range of neurodevelopmental issues but that data was manipulated out of the study over time to produce a neutral, inconclusive result. Here is Dr. Mark Geier discussing the study:

"this very study was the topic of secret-closed meetings between members of the CDC and other government organizations, as well as members of the vaccine manufacturers held at Simpsonwood, Georgia from 7-8 June 2000. The transcript of this meeting has been obtained under the Freedom of Information Act. This transcript reveals that the study initially found statistically significant dose-response effects between increasing doses of mercury from thimerosal- containing childhood vaccines and various types of neurodevelopmental disorders. The transcript documents that the data was real and statistically significant for many types of neurodevelopmental disorders, but that the meeting participants expressed that the data had to be `handled.' Despite, discussion about how to `handle' the data, some participants expressed concern that the work that had already been done would be obtained by others through the Freedom of Information Act. In this event, even if professional bodies expressed the opinion that there was no association between thimerosal and neurodevelopmental disorders, it was already too late to do anything. In addition, other participants expressed that the vaccine manufacturers were in a horrible position to be able to defend any lawsuits alleging a relationship between thimerosal and neurodevelopmental disorders, since no one would say with the available data that there was no relationship between thimerosal and neurodevelopmental disorders."

The transcript of "Simpsonwood", if read in its entirety, is surprising in its clarity and in the explicit planning by the participants over how to "handle" the information to the outside world. One of the expert panelists, William Weild, MD, commented during Simpsonwood:

"The number of dose related relationships are linear and statistically significant. You can play with this all you want. They are linear. They are statistically significant."

After the Simpsonwood meeting, the study's author, Thomas Vertraeten, stated to his superiors:

"I do not wish to be the advocate of the anti-vaccine lobby and sound like being convinced that thimerosal is or was harmful, but at least I feel we should use our sound scientific argumentation and not let out standards be dictated by our desire to disprove an unpleasant theory."

Some of the many documents that support the view that the initial findings of the CDC showed a high correlation between exposure to Thimerosal and a wide range of neurodevelopmental issues that were later manipulated out of the study include:

1. Analysis and Critique of the CDC's Handling of the Thimerosal Exposure Assessment Based on the Vaccine Safety Datalink Information Safe Minds October 2003

This 46-page presentation provides a detailed analysis of the mainupalitive methodology involved in removing the correlation between thimerosal and autism that the CDC data originally showed.

2. Study Misses Link Between Thimerosal and Neurodevlopmental Disorders Letter to the Editor of Pediatrics Dr. Mark Geier February 23, 2004

Dr. Geier's letter to Pediatrics provides a helpful overview of the flaws in the CDC's methodology and approach.

3. The Truth Behind the Vaccine Cover-up www.russellblaylockmd.com Russell L. Blaylock, M.D. September 4, 2004

This extensive review of the Simpsonwood transcript is juxtaposed with Dr. Balylock's expertise in nuerology to explain the transcript's contents and put them in appropriate context.

4. Immunization Safety Review Letter to the Institute of Medicine written by Safe Minds

This letter to the Institute of Medicine written by SafeMinds highlights some of the more egregious quotes from Simpsonwood.

1. Internal Email From Thomas Verstraeten of the CDC Noting the Thimerosal/Autism Link in the Data "Won't Go Away" Internal Email Correspondence at the CDC December 17, 1999

Thomas Verstareten's email, prior to the Simpsonwood meeting, laments that in his analysis the relationship between Thimerosal and a wide range of neurodevelopmental issues just "won't go away."

2. Scientific Review Of Vaccine Safety Datalink Information Simpsonwood Retreat Center June 7-8 2000

This is the actual "Simpsonwood Transcript" that SafeMinds obtained with a Freedom Of Information Act lawsuit. At 286 pages, it takes some time to get through. Russell Blaylock's report (#3 above) is a great way to capture the highlights of this transcript.

Myth #18 Denmark, which removed Thimerosal from vaccines in the early 1990s, did a study and proved there was no link between mercury in vaccines and autism.

This myth often implies that the government of Denmark was responsible for a study of Thimerosal and autism, which is not accurate. In rapid succession, four studies from Denmark were released in four separate medical journals, all purporting to disprove the thimerosal-vaccine-autism connection in some way. Specifically, The New England Journal of Medicine published in 2002, "A Population-based study of measles, mumps, and rubella vaccination and autism"; The American Journal of Preventative Medicine published in 2003, "Autism and thimerosal: lack of consistent evidence for an association"; Pediatrics published in 2003, "Thimerosal and the occurance of autism: negative ecological evidence from Danish population-based data"; and, The Journal of the American Medical Association published in 2003, "Association between thimerosal-containing vaccine and autism."

Soon after the studies were published, SafeMinds revealed that most of the Danish researchers behind all four of the studies were employees of a Danish manufacturer of vaccines, Statens Serum Institut. None of the reports noted this conflict of interest. Mothering magazine reported on SafeMind's response to one of the Danish studies (from the Journal of the American Medical Association):

"Safe Minds released an analysis of the autism registry data from Denmark that showed the rate of autism dropped sharply after removal of thimerosal from infant vaccines in that country in 1992. Their findings showed the rate of autism declined from an incidence of 1 in 500 prior to 1992 to 1 in 1,500 today. The analysis also uncovered a flaw in the methodology of Danish investigators publishing in the October issue of JAMA (Hviid et al), who utilized the same Danish registry data and concluded that autism rates in Denmark rose after thimerosal removal from vaccines. "In our review of the Danish data we identified a flaw which resulted in a substantial loss of autism case records from the registry which essentially renders the findings from the JAMA study by Hviid and colleagues invalid", said Sallie Bernard, executive director of Safe Minds. "The registry allows 10- 25% of diagnosed autism cases to be lost from its records each year. The effect of this loss is such that the records will disappear from older age groups to a much greater degree than from younger age groups in any given registry year." The Hviid findings are based on finding fewer older children in their 2000 registry cohort than younger ones. Since the older children received thimerosal vaccines and the younger ones did not, Hviid falsely concluded that thimerosal is not a factor in autism. The Safe Minds analysis shows instead that the decline is likely due to the loss of records of older children from the registry records, rather than a true decline in autism rates in the older group. Safe Minds reanalyzed the Denmark registry data and used an alternative method to avoid the record removal bias. The analysis looked at same-age children - 5-9 year olds - but from different registry years: 1992, when all of the children received thimerosal- containing vaccines, and 2002, when none of the children received vaccines with thimerosal. After adjusting for the lack of outpatient records in the 1992 registry, the analysis found a 2.3 higher number of autism cases among the 1992 thimerosal-exposed group relative to the 2002 non-exposed group. The analysis then determined an autism incidence rate for the non- thimerosal group of 1 in 1,500, while the thimerosal-exposed group had an incidence of 1 in 500, a 3-fold increase. The higher figure is comparable to the 1 in 500 incidence level for core autism recently found in England and the 1 in 250 incidence level recently calculated for the US. The thimerosal exposure level and timing in pre-1992 Denmark was comparable to that in England, while that for the US was somewhat more aggressive. "In the Hviid study in JAMA we can clearly see how the data was misinterpreted so a conclusion could be drawn to clear thimerosal from any role in autism," said Lyn Redwood, president of Safe Minds. "This misinterpretation is not surprising given the authors' employment with the manufacturer and promoter of vaccines in Denmark, Statens Serum Institut. This conflict of interest should have been stated by JAMA." Safe Minds is calling for a complete analysis of the Denmark autism registry data set by independent, unbiased epidemiologists who have no involvement in vaccine development, production, promotion, or administration." Some documents that refute the various Denmark studies include:

1. Something is Rotten In Denmark Safe Minds October 2003

This overview traces the association between all the Danish researchers to a single Danish vaccine company, Statens Serum Institut.

2. MMR and Autism In Perspective: The Denmark Story Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons, Volume 9, Number 3 Carol Stott, Ph.D., Mark Blaxill, Dr. Andrew Wakefield Fall 2004

These peer-reviewed analysis demonstrates that Denmark's autism rates rose after the introduction of the MMR vaccine.

3. Analysis of the Danish Autism Registry Data Base in Response to the Hviid et al Paper on Thimerosal in JAMA (October, 2003) SafeMinds Sallie Bernard October 2003

This paper specifically refutes the Danish study published in the Journal of the American Medical Association.

4. Danish Thimerosal-Autism study in Pediatrics: Misleading and Uninformative on Autism-Mercury Link SafeMinds Mark Blaxill September 2, 2003

This paper specifically refutes the Danish study published in Pediatrics.

Myth #19 The IOM did a study and proved there was no link between mercury in vaccines and autism.

In May 2004, the Institute of Medicine released a 216-page report titled Immunization Safety Review: Vaccines and Autism and concluded that there did not appear to be a causal link between Thimerosal and the autism epidemic. Much of their conclusion was based on the aforementioned CDC and Danish studies. There was no primary research done - this is a critical point. The IOM's conclusion was largely based on the studies discussed in Myth 18 & 19 above that are both subject The report opens with some statements that make a reader wonder if any bias is present in the minds of the authors of the study.

Soon after the report's release, Congressmen Burton and Weldon and Congresswoman Watson held a joint press conference. An excerpt from Mothering magazine on the press conference: "Unfortunately, I believe the findings announced in the May 18th IOM report are heavily biased, and unrepresentative of all the available scientific and medical research," stated Chairman Burton. "I think it is highly irresponsible for the IOM Immunization Safety Review Committee to purport definitive findings to the American public, which are based on selective scientific studies that are greatly flawed to begin with." Congresswoman Watson stated, "Just because there is not a preponderance of scientific proof, does not mean that we should discontinue investigations into the effects of mercury containing thimerosal. Unbiased researchers are continuing to produce results that challenge the IOM findings." The Congresswoman further noted that, "The IOM did not make the statement that mercury injected into the body is helpful. Mercury is mercury, and it is a neuro-toxic substance (among other bad things) - name one beneficial use in the human body." Said Congressman Weldon, "The IOM report is premature, perhaps perilously reliant on epidemiology, based on preliminary incomplete information, and may ultimately be repudiated. This report will not deter me from my commitment to seeing that this is fully investigated, nor will it put to rest the concerns of parents who believe their children were harmed by mercury-containing vaccines or the MMR vaccine." The recently released IOM report is the eighth and final in a series designed to examine the safety of vaccines that contain the mercury- based preservative, thimerosal. In their latest report, the IOM Committee concludes, "The body of epidemiological evidence favors the rejection of a causal relationship between thimerosal-containing vaccines and autism." This statement represents a significant change from the Committee's finding in their 2001 report, which called such a causal relationship, "biologically plausible." The Committee based its final conclusions on their review of approximately 10 previously conducted epidemiological studies. Of those roughly 10 studies, 5 reported probable links between thimerosal-containing vaccines and autism, yet those 5 were summarily dismissed because the Committee determined the manner in which they were conducted was flawed."





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China_cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 01:14 AM
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20. None of this explains why
the rates of autism are exactly the same in UNVACCINATED populations.

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cdgarfinkel Donating Member (8 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 09:15 AM
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21. Unvaccinated populations
What unvaccinated populations are you referring to? Autism was unknown in places like China until recently. Autism in China coincides with our drug companies pushing mercury containing vaccines onto them.

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China_cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 09:54 AM
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22. You claim it was unknown
Edited on Thu Feb-24-05 10:05 AM by China_cat
even here. (And the unvaccinated populations I was talking about are those whose religious convictions keep them from vaccinating their children such as the Amish and Christian Scientists, some Jehovah's Witnesses and here in the south, quite a few Baptists.

You're wrong. The autistic child was the one that, up until the middle 60's, (1960's) was institutionalized and forgotten by the majority of families so afflicted. Even doctors recommended that course...send them away and forget they ever existed.

If the family was wealthy enough to keep the child at home, it was in an isolated part of the home and not made a part of the family. Nurses at best, padded rooms and shackles in the worst cases. Having an autistic child (of course, this name wasn't applied to them then) was a shame and showed there was something wrong with you and your blood lines and you kept it hidden.

But, of course, autistics were not the only victims of this. Do the correlation...at the same time you claim a rise in the rate of autism you will notice that there SEEMS to be a rise in Down syndrome. But it is not a true rise, it is only that people started keeping their 'mongoloids' at home and within the family.

We still see the remnants of it here in SC with our upstate facility that is named the South Carolina Home for the Blind, Deaf and Retarded.

btw...the MMR (measles, mumps and rubella) vaccine has NEVER contained thimerisol.

I know you will continue your push to drive us back 100 years when children died of whooping cough (already making a comeback) and diphtheria, when people like my youngest sister was left deaf from the measles and polio affected 500,000 a year. But for others who might want a little information on the other side, there is

http://www.quackwatch.org/03HealthPromotion/immu/thimerosal.html
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cdgarfinkel Donating Member (8 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 11:06 AM
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23. Autism
I'm not trying to say that there was no autism before the 90's. And I did say in my first post that there are other ways to get autism. The message I'm trying to convey is that it is the mercury in vaccines that is responsible for the autism epidemic we have seen since the early 90's. The latest numbers are 1 in 166. Are you trying to say that we have always had autism rates this high, even back in the 60's? That is a very difficult argument to make. If it were true, there would have to be millions of autistic adults out there today. Where are they? I'm 32 and when I was growing up I didn't know any autistic people - I never even heard of the word. But today, most of us probably know of at least 1 child who is autistic.

You are correct with your statement regarding the MMR. I never claimed that it did contain mercury. The MMR contains a live virus so it could not also contain mercury as the mercury would destroy the virus.

"I know you will continue your push to drive us back 100 years when children died of whooping cough (already making a comeback) and diphtheria, when people like my youngest sister was left deaf from the measles and polio affected 500,000 a year."

Where did I say that I am anti-vaccine? Your statement is completely unfounded. Is it wrong of me to want vaccines not to contain mercury - one of the most toxic substances on the planet?

Regarding your link to quackwatch... They provide three main reasons to insist that thimerosal has no link to autism.

"The amounts of mercury involved were very small.
No link between mercury and autism has been proven.
There is no logical reason to believe that autism has a toxic cause"

Lets look at them one at a time:
1. "The amounts of mercury involved were very small"

Do you know how much mercury was in vaccines starting in the early 90's? Let me show you:

Birth: Hep B contains 12.5 mcg of mercury. Based on the EPA Hg limit this is 35X over the safety limit for a 8lb infant and 70X over the safety limit for a 4lb infant.

2 months: Hep B - 12.5 mcg, HIB 25 mcg, DTaP 25 mcg
Based on the EPA Hg limit this is 138X over the safety limit for a 10lb infant

4 months: HIB - 25 mcg, DTaP 25 mcg
72X over for a 14lb infant

6 months: HIB - 25 mcg, DTaP 25 mcg
68X over for a 16lb infant

12 months: HIB - 25 mcg, DTaP 25 mcg
55X over for a 20lb infant

Making matters worse is that the vaccines were in multi dose vials. Mercury is heavy so it sinks to the bottom. If the doctor didn't shake up the vial to evenly distribute the mercury some children could end up getting significantly more mercury than the averages I summarized above.

So there can be no argument that our children were exposed to VERY DANGEROUS levels of mercury in their vaccine.

Have you seen the warnings placed on thimerosal by its manufacturers? If it is not dangerous as you indicate why do they have skulls on the bottle to indicate it is poison? Here is the MSDS warning from one manufacturer:

“Nervous System and Reproduction Effects; Effects
of exposure include fetal changes; Mercury poisoning
may occur; Exposure in children may cause mild to
severe mental retardation; Hypersensitivity to mercury
is a medical condition aggravated by exposure;
Hazardous substance, toxic waste disposal."

2. "No link between mercury and autism has been proven."
There is a growing body of evidence showing a clear link. Have you read my initial post? It has several examples showing a clear link. My personal favorite is the unpublished information obtained via the Freedom of Info Act from the CDC study into this topic. They found a tremendous correlation but decided to cover it up. They found a relative risk over 7 for a link between thimerosal & autism. Anything over 2 is considered proof in a court of law. Dr. Mady Hornig recently did a study on mice and also found a link. There are many more as well... please reference my initial post.

3. "There is no logical reason to believe that autism has a toxic cause"

Try convincing the thousands of parents of autistic children that are using chelation to rid their children of toxins, myself included, of this. I have lab reports showing highly elevated levels of heavy metals in my son. The CDC & FDA don't want this to be true because it is further proof that they allowed our children to be poisoned on their watch.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 07:29 PM
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33. It also coincides with their rush to industrialize
Think about it.
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bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 02:57 PM
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29. Link to video with David Kirby interview:
http://www.independent-media.tv/gtheme.cfm?ftheme_id=94

Click on:
IMUS: Interview with David Kirby on Mandated Vaccines
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ProgressiveConn Donating Member (820 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-05 11:15 PM
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24. I'm not sure that Autism is something to be stamped out personally.
I'm not so sure the "Autism Rights" people are all that off.
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Sgent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-05 06:26 AM
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25. Mississippi
has the highest (and has had for about 10 years) rate of childhood vaccination (our one public health success). You would alos expect we'd have the highest autism based on that.
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Dear Maggie Donating Member (268 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-05 11:21 PM
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27. Yes, chemical alley
Doesn't the Mississippi river run through?

Aren't there chemicals improperly disposed of?

Overweight study I heard about said here and in the East around steel mill areas ... had most overweight compared to other geographic areas. Just another imbalance - some overweight is from endocrine disruptors,
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bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 03:03 PM
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30. Mississippi went from 0 cases to 385
over the eight years between 1992-93 and 2000-01 according to statisics of the DOE of children aged 6-21 served by IDEA (Individuals With Disabilities Discrimination Act) who have autism.

http://www.whale.to/a/pdf/thrower.html#15.%20Now%20Almo...

Autism is up all over.
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Dear Maggie Donating Member (268 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 04:08 PM
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31. Rates up all over?
Yes, and it will continue

I suspect the harm of 2-butoxyethanol which is a teratogen chemical, causing such a birth defect and SO MUCH MORE.

People harmed by this chemical don't even realize it, so they won't pin the blame where it does belong ...

However, for those harmed by it since 1930s when it was invented, and most probably during WWII, and for the Vietnam vet (more than dioxin) and for the Korean cold war vet; and for the 'gulf war syndrome vet' and for the military up through today.

And then all those with CFS, CFIDS ... I suspect we are overlooking the ROOT cause of fatigue ... and a lot more

Check for someone in the family with severe acquired autoimmune hemolytic anemia - THE FATIGUE

And now that we are into the 5th generation; and besides birth defects from those who are chemically poisoned, we can get second hand exposures (Probably what SARS is for its a-typical pneumonia) and we can get our own direct exposures.

Compounded and compounded and compounded.
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