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mzmolly

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Mon May-10-10 12:53 PM
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Pertussis Infection in Fully Vaccinated Children in Day-Care Centers, Israel

We tested 46 fully vaccinated children in two day-care centers in Israel who were exposed to a fatal case of pertussis infection. Only two of five children who tested positive for Bordetella pertussis met the World Health Organization's case definition for pertussis. Vaccinated children may be asymptomatic reservoirs for infection.

Pertussis, an acute disease of the upper respiratory tract caused by the gram-negative bacillus Bordetella pertussis, lasts 6 to 8 weeks and has three clinical stages. The initial (catarrhal) stage resembles a common cold with a mild cough. The second (paroxysmal) stage is characterized by episodes of repetitive coughing during a single expiration, followed by a sudden inspiration that generates the typical "whoop." The final (convalescent) stage, which lasts 1 to 2 weeks, marks a decrease in the severity and frequency of the cough.

Since the introduction of routine childhood vaccine, pertussis has been considered preventable, and pertussis-associated illness and deaths are uncommon (2). However, vaccine-induced immunity wanes after 5 to 10 years, making the vaccinated host vulnerable to infection (3). This susceptibility has been described in outbreaks of pertussis infection in highly vaccinated populations (3-6).

A recent study by Yaari et al. showed that infection in a vaccinated person causes milder, nonspecific disease, without the three classical clinical stages (7). Whooping cough is seen in only 6% of such cases; instead, the illness is characterized by a nonspecific, prolonged cough, lasting several weeks to months. Because of these atypical symptoms, pertussis infection is under-diagnosed in adults and adolescents, who may be reservoirs for infection of unvaccinated infants (8-10). In a study in France, up to 80% of infections in unvaccinated children were acquired from siblings and parents, suggesting that adults and even young siblings play a fundamental role in the transmission of pertussis (11).

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Conclusions

The effects of whole-cell pertussis vaccine wane after 5 to 10 years, and infection in a vaccinated person causes nonspecific symptoms (3-7). Vaccinated adolescents and adults may serve as reservoirs for silent infection and become potential transmitters to unprotected infants (3-11). The whole-cell vaccine for pertussis is protective only against clinical disease, not against infection (15-17). Therefore, even young, recently vaccinated children may serve as reservoirs and potential transmitters of infection.

http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/eid/vol6no5/srugo.htm">CDC DISPATCH

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Celebration

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Mon May-10-10 01:50 PM
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1. well, so much for herd immunity n/t

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mzmolly

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Mon May-10-10 03:41 PM
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2. Yes, the opposite of herd immunity is apparently at work.

Edited on Mon May-10-10 03:43 PM by mzmolly

eh? A false sense of security vs. taking appropriate precautions? Vaccinating against pertussis to "protect babies" from pertussis, is a moot point it seems.

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Tumbulu

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Wed May-12-10 12:40 AM
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3. these toxin forming bacteria

pertussis, tetanus and diptheria are put together for a reason. Although one would like to prevent the infection I think the aim is to prevent the damage from the toxins these bacteria produce once established in the host.

I suppose the immune system can be trained to keep viral infections out a bit better with vaccination, but the bacterial infections perhaps go different routes. The big goal is to prevent deaths by having the body detoxify toxins produced by any of these bacteria that may indeed infect and colonize.

This is a big deal to have the body be able to protect itself from such toxins and I am grateful for it.

I have watched a sheep die of tetanus.

My daughter who was vaccinated for pertussis may have had a mild case of it a few years ago. Only antibiotics for 5 days was required. It was going around, she had an ear infection also and the doctor thought it made sense to trat it as though it were- her cough was horrible. During that same period a friend's unvaccinated child caught it, was hospitalized for a week (no health insurance either) and now has asthma. His mom felt terrible and now tells everyone how important it is to get that vaccination. It is this little meme that the DapT does not prevent infection that somehow convinces people that the vaccine does not work. It works all right, 5 days of an antibiotic vs lifelong asthma?

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mzmolly

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Wed May-12-10 04:48 PM
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4. The goal of pertussis vaccination is to protect those less

than six months old given their lungs are not fully developed.

How can I protect my baby from pertussis?

Pertussis is most dangerous for babies before they are old enough to be fully immunized for pertussis. Transmission by adults who are not vaccinated themselves is responsible for most pertussis cases among babies. In fact, half of babies with pertussis are infected by their parents. Most unvaccinated children living with someone who has pertussis will get the disease, and 90% of pertussis-associated deaths have been among babies less than a year old.8,9

That is why it is so important for parents and other family members to get the pertussis vaccine themselves to help �cocoon� babies and young children when they are most vulnerable to the dangers of pertussis.

http://www.pkids.org/dis_pert_faq.php#4

My child was not vaccinated against pertussis and her ped believes she had it last year. In fact, she had a more mild case than her fully vaccinated friend who gave her the disease. I don't think we can predict how anyone will react to XYZ? If we eliminate diagnostic bias based upon vax status, we may obtain a more accurate picture though.

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Tumbulu

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Thu May-13-10 12:28 AM
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5. that may be one of the goals from the old preparation of the vaccine

the one they discontinued using in the late 90's because there were too many bad side effects from it. This was the whole cell preparation that did indeed confer some resistance to infection along with the ability to detoxify the toxin in the bloodstream. But since the side effects were so rough they switched to the acellular vaccine so that infection rate may not be reduced, but the protection against toxicity remains. The toxin is what the body is able to deal with once someone has gotten enough inoculations over the correct amount of time to build up the titre in the blood.

If your child had it and it was a mild case, I am glad for you- perhaps you were still breastfeeding her and thus still getting some help from you? Or perhaps your child is less sensitive to the toxin? Or this strain she got is a weak producer of it?

Whatever the case, I find it silly to go around claiming that because the vaccine does not prevent infection, that it does not work. The tetanus vaccine works the same way. I want my body and my child's body and my animal's bodies to stand a chance.

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Thu May-13-10 05:49 PM
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6. +1

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mzmolly

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Thu May-13-10 09:00 PM
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7. The reason the US switched vaccines is because of pressure

Edited on Thu May-13-10 09:15 PM by mzmolly

from so called anti-vaccination groups. However the study I noted appears to be in relation to the whole cell vaccine? Also, I wouldn't say my child had a "mild" case of pertussis, but she did have a more mild case than her fully vaccinated friend. Some studies may explain why? http://cvi.asm.org/cgi/content/abstract/CVI.00469-09v1

As to my breastfeeding my child, I was not at that time.

FYI, I simply posted the results of a study which indicate that those who are properly vaccinated, are spreading disease. If you want to call that "effective" be my guest. However, likening a non-contagious disease like tetanus to pertussis is missing the mark.

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Tumbulu

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Thu May-13-10 10:43 PM
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8. Why? If both are bacteria that produce toxins once established in their host

then they have similar modes of action. And the antibodies that the body produces to detoxify them perhaps are similar.

I think that this is why they put them all together, but don't know.

In my reading of the history of the switch from the whole cell to the acellular it seemed to be about the severity of adverse reactions in a rather high percentage of the population ( 1 in 100 children). So if one is able to provide a vaccine with less side effects that is not as effective at reducing infection, but prevents toxicity, then it sounds wise to me.

But I find it disingenuous that people then complain that it does so little to prevent infection.

I would chose fewer adverse reactions any day of the week. What about you?

And as to your daughter's friend- how bad would the pertussis have been for her without the help of her body detoxifying the toxins endogenously produced? Your child was lucky and I'm glad for that. My friend's little boy was not.

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mzmolly

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Thu May-13-10 11:03 PM
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9. Again, this study appears to be about the whole cell vaccine,

so the question you pose does not pertain in this case. As for my child, she was fairly typical for children her age, not particularly lucky. I'm sorry about your friends child, regardless.

My point about the comparison between the two diseases, is that tetanus is not contagious, pertussis is.

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Tumbulu

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Fri May-14-10 11:17 AM
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12. I do not understand the importance of your point

what does it matter if one is contagious and one is not. Aren't they both bacteria that produce toxins?

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mzmolly

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Fri May-14-10 01:59 PM
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13. Yes.

But that doesn't mean that the vaccine program is supposed to have the same impact.

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Tumbulu

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Fri May-14-10 03:46 PM
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17. Isn't the purpose to protect us from the toxin the bacterium produce?

by giving our bodies the chance to produce antibodies to it before an actual infection?

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mzmolly

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Fri May-14-10 04:14 PM
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18. You mean to protect against actual infection?

That's one purpose, which brings me back to the interesting study results noted above. >>>>>>> The whole-cell vaccine for pertussis is protective only against "clinical disease," not against infection (15-17). Therefore, even young, recently vaccinated children may serve as reservoirs and potential transmitters of infection.

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Tumbulu

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Fri May-14-10 04:41 PM
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19. NO I DO NOT MEAN INFECTION!!!!!!

I have written numerous posts. Please read them. It is my understanding that it is about protection from the damages the toxin produces in the course of infection.

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mzmolly

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Fri May-14-10 05:58 PM
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21. Okey dokey.

:hi:

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HuckleB

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Fri May-14-10 12:23 AM
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11. +1

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HuckleB

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Fri May-14-10 12:23 AM
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10. -1

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mzmolly

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Fri May-14-10 02:01 PM
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14. Sorry that the results of the study don't please you.

"The whole-cell vaccine for pertussis is protective only against clinical disease, not against infection (15-17). Therefore, even young, recently vaccinated children may serve as reservoirs and potential transmitters of infection."

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HuckleB

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Fri May-14-10 02:19 PM
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15. That's not what the minus is for...

Edited on Fri May-14-10 02:31 PM by HuckleB

:rofl:

Got any more single, 10-year-old studies recently posted to "vactruth.com" to offer up, and on which to base your usual generalizations?

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mzmolly

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Fri May-14-10 03:17 PM
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16. Actually, I got the study from a google alert

Edited on Fri May-14-10 04:15 PM by mzmolly

for pertussis. Here's a more recent article for you, however. http://www.physorg.com/news185011062.html It seems the whole cell vaccine wasn't as effective at preventing transmission and infection as we were led to believe, and the newer vaccine may be contributing to mutations in the disease.

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HuckleB

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Fri May-14-10 04:47 PM
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20. Uh huh. If you say so...

Edited on Fri May-14-10 04:53 PM by HuckleB

:eyes:

I like how mix and match the studies you offer up, without any coherence whatsoever.

Your agenda is ludicrously clear.

Bye.

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mzmolly

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Fri May-14-10 06:04 PM
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22. My agenda is that of discussing

Edited on Fri May-14-10 06:06 PM by mzmolly

vaccines (efficacy in this case) among several other topics here. I'd prefer to provide accurate information vs. assume that a fully vaccinated child can't spread Pertussis. You?

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HuckleB

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Sat May-15-10 01:16 PM
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28. Posting individual studies as if they are be-all-end-all documents shows otherwise.

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mzmolly

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Sat May-15-10 04:41 PM
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35. I haven't

Edited on Sat May-15-10 05:09 PM by mzmolly

suggested that one study proves anything in particular. But again there aren't enough studies in this vain. I also noted that the pertussis vaccine/antibodies may offer some http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=222&topic_id=86761&mesg_id=86761">protection against type 1 influenza, which I find very encouraging. Why not kick/comment on that thread, if you don't like the study results above?

By the way, you have posted opinion related articles that don't involve ANY studies blaming a single child for transmitting XYZ because they may have traveled or lacked a booster shot. Yet you scorn "science" when it doesn't suit you? Piff!

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HuckleB

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Sat May-15-10 10:14 PM
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39. Your OP, and your responses indicate otherwise.

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mzmolly

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Sat May-15-10 11:17 PM
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42. You're

entitled to your narrow minded opinion.

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HuckleB

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Sat May-15-10 11:48 PM
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43. Right back at you.

On this matter, it's not my opinion that's narrow minded.

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CreekDog

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Sat May-15-10 01:54 PM
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30. that's not what bothers me...what bothers me is using your kid as guinea pig for shakey ideas

not to mention that you were testing out your experimental ideas on your kid (by not vaccinating them) long before this study came out. assuming you think this is justification for that, it was not justification you had at the time you made the decision.

what's even worse is that you think you are protecting your child while doing something that is putting them at greater risk (not to mention other children).

and you think that's sensible --and it's probably the thing that undermines your credibility on the subject the most. and you can't see it.

:shrug:

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HuckleB

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Sat May-15-10 03:35 PM
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32. Further, single studies are but stepping stones, at best.

Edited on Sat May-15-10 03:35 PM by HuckleB

Usually, they are sinking rocks.

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mzmolly

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Sat May-15-10 04:42 PM
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36. Unfortunately, there do not appear to be many studies that undertake

Edited on Sat May-15-10 04:47 PM by mzmolly

this kind of analysis. How long do children/adults have elevated 'titers' to a given disease/bacteria after vaccination? If you have any actual data on this, I'd love to see it. I have read how long vaccines are thought to last, but I'm interested in more than assumption in this regard.

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HuckleB

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Sat May-15-10 10:15 PM
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40. Perhaps.

Perhaps not.

Certainly the anti-vax sites that you appear to peruse won't publish any studies that show vaccines to be helpful and safe.

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mzmolly

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Sat May-15-10 11:17 PM
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41. Frankly, unlike yourself, I don't trust all or nothing

thinking on either side of this debate.

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HuckleB

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Sat May-15-10 11:49 PM
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44. Unfortunately, your posts on these matters indicates otherwise.

Edited on Sat May-15-10 11:50 PM by HuckleB

Seriously. A ten-year-old single study? How much more obvious can your agenda get?

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mzmolly

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Sun May-16-10 12:26 AM
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45. If the 'it's a ten year old study' mantra is the best you have to offer

Edited on Sun May-16-10 12:27 AM by mzmolly

I can see why you avoid saying very much. The vaccine is old too, ya know? It was originally rolled out in the 1940's. ;) I'm sorry that this old study bothers you. The results are very troubling, I agree.

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HuckleB

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Sun May-16-10 12:32 AM
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46. You haven't said much.

It's not a mantra. It's reality. Live with it. What you find troubling only shows that you put far too much power into an individual study. Thanks for showing that again.

I'm done with this BS. Your agenda is clear. You can deny it. I'm not buying your denials.

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mzmolly

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Sun May-16-10 11:29 AM
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50. Your agenda is clear.

Edited on Sun May-16-10 11:39 AM by mzmolly

It involves pretending vaccination is without flaw and only the non-vaccinated place others in danger of contracting various disease. I'm sorry to have questioned that which you worship, however. I know that rattles you, so.

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mzmolly

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Sun May-16-10 11:50 AM
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54. Here are todays google alerts for whooping cough. Google must have an "agenda" too?

Edited on Sun May-16-10 11:53 AM by mzmolly

I post some of what I find interesting. Feel free to browse the links and grab what you like, for a thread of your own. :hi:

By the way, here is some information I chose not to post - http://topnews.co.uk/23879-vaccine-triggers-early-start-infant-epilepsy

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mzmolly

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Sat May-15-10 04:40 PM
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34. My child is not a guinea

pig. What's interesting to me is you refuse to acknowledge who is actually experimenting on children ala the OP.

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CreekDog

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Sun May-16-10 03:25 AM
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48. yes you made your child play the role of guinea pig

and your child deserved better.

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mzmolly

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Sun May-16-10 11:30 AM
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51. My child

hasn't been experimented on.

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56. yes, by you

not vaccinating them against something almost everyone else is...that's experimenting.

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Sun May-16-10 12:06 PM
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58. You're admittedly not vaccinated

so who does 'almost everyone else' entail, exactly?

I hope you don't leave the house when you get a cough, given you may be spreading pertussis to babies.

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CreekDog

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Sat May-15-10 12:31 PM
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24. yikes

:banghead:

pretty cavalier.

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Sat May-15-10 12:51 PM
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26. Had your adult boosters yet? What's cavalier

is suggesting that school children vaccinate to "protect others" while most parents, have not had their own booster shots.

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Sat May-15-10 01:16 PM
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29. well that's the stupidest reason i've ever heard for not vaccinating your own child

saying other people aren't vaccinated, so that vaccinating your own child is merely to protect others.

are you sure you have enough knowledge to make such a decision? well, i have no doubt you are sure, but as for your expertise, just sounds like ignorance to me.

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Sat May-15-10 04:45 PM
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37. My response has nothing to do with my "reason." You still haven't answered

Edited on Sat May-15-10 05:17 PM by mzmolly

my question. When did you protect the children around you by having your adult booster shots? Until you answer the question, I'll assume the answer is "I haven't had the recommended adult booster shots" and you're another hypocrite who wants to "experiment" on children, while abdicating his own so called responsibility.

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CreekDog

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Sun May-16-10 03:27 AM
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49. I've had all the recommended vaccinations

Edited on Sun May-16-10 03:29 AM by CreekDog

and I'm happy to get whatever would help others further --and this also benefits me.

i know that when they realized that my generations measles vaccine was not giving us lifetime immunity, i got another.

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mzmolly

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Sun May-16-10 11:31 AM
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52. When did you have the adult pertussis

booster?

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CreekDog

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Sun May-16-10 11:58 AM
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55. only some people are recommended to get that vaccine

unlike the one you withheld from your child.

you are playing a game with me, but the one you are playing with your child...that's the one you want to divert attention from (assuming you are intelligent enough to know the risk you had your child take to avoid a smaller risk).

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mzmolly

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57. You've demonstrated your complete ignorance on this subject.

http://women.webmd.com/guide/adult-immunizations

Checklist: Vaccines for Adults
Grown-ups need to keep vaccinations and booster shots current -- just like kids do.
By R. Morgan Griffin
WebMD Feature
Reviewed by Louise Chang, MD

Keeping up-to-date with your immunizations can be difficult. From when you had your last tetanus booster to whether you should get the flu vaccine, it's easy to lose track of which vaccinations you've had and which you need.

...

Following is a rundown of the vaccinations recommended in the CDC's Adult Immunization Schedule for 2009.
Adult Vaccinations You Need

* Tetanus, diphtheria, pertussis (Td/Tdap): a booster is needed every 10 years. A pregnant woman who had a shot 10 or more years earlier should get a booster during the second or third trimester.
* Human papillomavirus (HPV): three-dose series given to females age 11-26 who haven't already received the vaccination.
* Varicella (chickenpox): two-dose series given to adults with no evidence of immunity to the chickenpox virus. Pregnant women should not get this vaccine.
* Zoster (shingles): one-dose vaccine for adults 60 and older. Pregnant women should not get this vaccine.
* Measles, mumps, rubella (MMR): one or more doses given to adults with no evidence of immunity. Pregnant women should not get this vaccine.
* Influenza (flu): yearly vaccination given to adults 50 and older. This is also recommended for younger adults with certain medical, occupational, and other indications including chronic heart or lung disease, diabetes, health care workers, or residents of nursing homes. The vaccine is available as a flu shot and nasal spray flu vaccine. The flu season can range from October to May, and the CDC recommends vaccination throughout the flu season.
* Pneumococcal: given to adults 65 and older and adults with certain medical, lifestyle, or other indications including cigarette smokers and residents of nursing homes. A one-time booster is given five years later.
* Hepatitis A: two-dose series given to adults with certain medical, occupational, lifestyle, or other indications including chronic liver disease, illegal drug use, and health care workers.
* Hepatitis B: three-dose series given to adults with certain medical, occupational, lifestyle, or other indications including chronic liver disease, sexually active adults who are not in a monogamous relationship, injection drug use, and health care workers.
* Meningococcal: one or more doses given to adults with certain medical or other indications; commonly given to college students living in dormitories or military recruits.

Travelers to some parts of the world or people with professions that bring them into contact with animals might need other vaccines. Be sure to ask your health care provider about which immunizations you need.

Now, go and get YOUR vaccinations before you lament about the fact that others make the same choice YOU have.

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CreekDog

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Sun May-16-10 12:42 PM
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61. THEY DON'T RECOMMEND THE VACCINE TO EVERYONE!

Thanks Tom Cruise.

I also don't know if I've had the vaccine or not. If recommended guidelines said I should have it and my doctor followed those then I've had it because I certainly have been vaccinated as an adult for tetanus, measles, H1N1, etc. I know the measles one because when I was in college they discovered the vaccine my generation got did not always provide immunity into adulthood.

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http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/recs/schedules/downloads/adult/adult_vac_scrn_gen.txt

VACCINATION SCREENING FORM
Department of Health and Human Services, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention

Name (First, Last) Date of Birth:

Please answer �Yes� or �No� for the following questions.

1. Think of all the vaccine shots you have received in your life. Is there a recent record
of those at another doctor's office, in your home, at a school, or at your job? Yes No

2. If you answsered �Yes� above, would you be willing to sign a form so that this information can
be given to your doctor? Yes No

3. Are you allergic to any medicines or foods? Yes No

4. Have you ever had a serious reaction to a shot? Yes No

VACCINATION SCREENING FORM
Please answer YES or NO or fill in the answer that best fits you for the following questions.

5. What country were you born in?

6. Are you working at a job that pays money? Yes No

7. What is the highest grade in school that you finished? Indicate the letter of the correct choice.
A. None B. Less than 6th grade C. 6th through 9th grade D. 10th through 12th grade, but did not graduate
E. High school graduate or GED F. Training after high school, other than college
(such as vocational, technical, or other taining, etc.)
G. Some college H. Graduated from college I. Post graduate

8. What is your race? Indicate the letter of the correct choice.
A. Black B. White C. Asian D. American Indian/Alaska native E. Other

9. What is your ethnicity? Indicate the letter of the correct choice.
A. Hispanic (e.g., Mexican, Puerto Rican, Cuban, etc.) B. Non-Hispanic

DO YOU NEED ANY VACCINE SHOTS?
Many adults have not had all the vaccine shots that they need to prevent serious sickness. Do you know
if you have? These lists will help you learn if you need any vaccine shots today or in the future.

FLU SHOT
Please answer �Yes� or �No� for the following statements.
1. I am 50 years old or older. Yes No

2. One or more of the following conditions applies to me:

I have diabetes mellitus (sugar). Yes No
I have lung disease, including asthma. Yes No
I have heart or kidney disease. Yes No
I have sickle-cell disease. Yes No
I have cancer or HIV/AIDS. Yes No
I may be pregnant during the flu season (November through March). Yes No
I take steroids such as prednisone. Yes No

3. One or more of the following situations applies to me.
I live with someone who has one of the conditions listed above, that is, diabetes,
lung disease, heart or kidney disease, sickle-cell disease, cancer or HIV/AIDS,
or I live with someone who may be pregnant during the flu seaseon,
or I take steriods. Yes No
I live with or care outside the home for a child less than 2 years old. Yes No
I am a health care worker. Yes No
I provide essential community services. Yes No

4. I will travel to one or more of the following places:
to the tropics at anytime Yes No
to South America, Australia or Africa during April through September Yes No
with a large group (such as a cruise ship) Yes No

If you answered �Yes� to any of the the last three statements, you may need
the flu vaccine shot during the flu season (November through March).

5. I already had a flu vaccine shot this season. Yes No

Pneumonia (PNEUMOCOCCAL) SHOT
Please answer �Yes� or �No� for the following statements.
1. I am an American Indian or Alaska Native. Yes No

2. I am 65 years old or older. Yes No

3. One or more of the following applies to me:
I have diabetes mellitus (sugar).
I have lung disease, not just asthma.
I have heart, kidney, or liver disease.
I have a drinking problem (alcoholism).
I have sickle-cell disease.
I have cancer or HIV/AIDS.
I do not have a spleen.
I have spinal fluid leak.
I take steroids such as prednisone.

4. I am 65 years old or older and had a pneumonia (pneumococcal) vaccine shot
when I was younger than 65, and it has been 5 years or more since I had that
vaccine shot. Yes No

If you answered �Yes� to any part of the last statement or to any of the statements just read,
you may need the pneumonia (pneumococcal) vaccine shot.

I already had a pneumonia (pneumococcal) vaccine shot. Yes No

HEPATITIS A SHOT
Please answer �Yes� or �No� for the following statements.

1. One or more of the following applies to me:
I plan to visit a foreign country (except: Canada, Japan, Australia or Western Europe).
I take drugs bought on the street (use needles or snort).
I am a man who has sex with men.
I have had liver disease for a long time, or I have hepatitis C.
I have a blood-clotting disease with clotting factor infusions.
If you answered �Yes� to any of these statements,you may need the hepatitis A vaccine shot.

2. I have had hepatitis A infection or 2 hepatitis A vaccine shots. Yes No

HEPATITIS B SHOT
Please circle �Yes� or �No� for the following statements.
1. I am under 20 years old. Yes No

2. One or more of the following applies to me:
I am a health care or public safety worker who could be exposed to blood or body fluids. Yes No
I recently had or was treated for a sexually transmitted disease. Yes No
I had more than one sex partner during the last 6 months. Yes No
I am a man who has sex with men. Yes No
I have sex or live with a person with hepatitis B. Yes No
I have had liver disease for a long time, or I have hepatitis C. Yes No
I shoot drugs with needles. Yes No
I have bad kidney disease. Yes No
I provide direct services for people with developmental disabilities. Yes No
I will live in Asia or Africa for more than 6 months. Yes No
I come from Asia or the Pacific Islands. Yes No
I have a blood-clotting disease. Yes No

If you answered �Yes� to any of these statements, you may need the hepatitis B vaccine shot.

3. I have had hepatitis B infection or 3 hepatitis B vaccine shots. Yes No

TETANUS SHOT
Please answer �Yes� or �No� for the following statement.
1. It has been more than 10 years since my last tetanus booster shot. Yes No

If you answered �Yes� to this statement, you may need the tetanus vaccine shot.

MEASLES-MUMPS-RUBELLA (MMR) SHOT
Please answer �Yes� or �No� for the following statements:
1. I was born in 1957 or later. Yes No

2. I am a woman who was born outside of the U.S. who could become pregnant. Yes No

3. One or more of the following applies to me:
I am a health care worker. Yes No
I am entering college or a trade school. Yes No
I have HIV/AIDS. Yes No
I plan to visit foreign countries in the future. Yes No

If you answered �Yes� to any of these statements,you may need the Measles-Mumps-Rubella (MMR) vaccine shot.

4. I have had at least one Measles-Mumps-Rubella (MMR) vaccine shot. Yes No

To determine which vaccine shots you need, discuss your answers to these questions with your doctor or other healthcare
provider.

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mzmolly

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Sun May-16-10 12:52 PM
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65. YES THEY DO. "All adults need Td booster doses every 10 years...."

Edited on Sun May-16-10 01:21 PM by mzmolly

Here you can carry the latest schedule in your pocket so you don't forget what a hypocrite you are.

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/recs/schedules/downloads/adult/2010/adult-schedule-6x4-5.pdf

To clarify, you need at least one Tdap booster. http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/701612 I'm sure by 2019 we'll learn that adults need ongoing Tdap boosters.

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mzmolly

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Sun May-16-10 12:07 PM
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59. Here's a thread that pertains to you, which you chose to ignore, by the way.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=222&topic_id=86965&mesg_id=86965

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CreekDog

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Sun May-16-10 12:29 PM
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60. why should i listen to you?

you don't even vaccinate your kid! :rofl:

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mzmolly

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Sun May-16-10 12:48 PM
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63. And you don't vaccinate YOURSELF.

:hi:

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CreekDog

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Sun May-16-10 12:50 PM
Response to Reply #63

64. but i'm vaccinated for many things

and certainly everything that i should be.

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mzmolly

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Sun May-16-10 12:53 PM
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66. "All adults need Td booster doses every 10 years."

No, you're not.

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CreekDog

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Sun May-16-10 01:06 PM
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68. actually i have had it

i didn't realize it was included with my tetanus vaccination.

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mzmolly

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Sun May-16-10 01:12 PM
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72. Riiiiiiiiiiiight.

Edited on Sun May-16-10 01:23 PM by mzmolly

:hi: To clarify once again, you need the Tdap at least once as an adult. http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/701612 I'm sure the recommendation of ongoing boosters will follow.

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CreekDog

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Sun May-16-10 01:10 PM
Response to Reply #63

70. Of course not, my physician (or their assistant) did

i realize now that i have to be completely ridiculous to reason on your level.

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mzmolly

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Sun May-16-10 01:16 PM
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73. Desperate times call for desperate measures

Edited on Sun May-16-10 01:16 PM by mzmolly

apparently.

I'm off to do better things, like mop my floor. ;) Have a fabulous day. :hi:

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CreekDog

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Sun May-16-10 12:45 PM
Response to Reply #59

62. choosing to ignore what you say on vaccination seems like the wise move

seriously.

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mzmolly

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Sun May-16-10 12:54 PM
Response to Reply #62

67. Feel free. But don't ignore the CDC

any longer and get in for those adult boosters before you lecture others.

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CreekDog

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Sun May-16-10 01:07 PM
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69. I'm vaccinated for that

I told you all along I was unsure if I had been because I didn't remember a separate vaccination for pertussis.

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mzmolly

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Sun May-16-10 01:12 PM
Response to Reply #69

71. They didn't have a combined vaccine until

recently.

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CreekDog

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Sun May-16-10 01:17 PM
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74. and i was recently vaccinated

now you're arguing for vaccination?

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mzmolly

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Sun May-16-10 01:19 PM
Response to Reply #74

75. No I'm arguing for a consistent

position from the anti-choice zealots here.

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CreekDog

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Sat May-15-10 12:26 PM
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23. You didn't vaccinate your child against Whooping Cough?

Am I hearing that right?

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mzmolly

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Sat May-15-10 12:48 PM
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25. Yes you are.

:hi: My friend did vaccinate her children and her child passed the disease on to mine. You're hearing that right too.

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CreekDog

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Sat May-15-10 01:14 PM
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27. you have a medical background or expertise?

greater than the people that recommend vaccination?

and you knew in advance that your child would not get sicker as a result of your decision --right? you knew that in advance?

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mzmolly

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Sat May-15-10 04:36 PM
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33. I knew in advance that we have a family

history of neurological and autoimmune conditions that make my child more likely to have a severe reaction to vaccination. I also knew that being at home vs. child care etc. my child would not be likely to come into contact with those who are ill.

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CreekDog

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Sat May-15-10 01:55 PM
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31. so you didn't afford your child any protection against the spread through vaccination?

am i missing something here?

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mzmolly

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Sat May-15-10 04:45 PM
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38. What protection and for how long?

eom

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CreekDog

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Sun May-16-10 03:24 AM
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47. at the time your child contracted it --you chose to have your child go w/o a means of fighting it

that's not a guarantee, except to the extent that it guaranteed that protection other children had, you denied your own child.

unconscionable.

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mzmolly

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Sun May-16-10 11:39 AM
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53. My child was given antibiotics,

like her fully vaccinated friend who had a more severe case. She also was kept from any friends for greater than three weeks so that I could be sure I wasn't passing on the illness.

What's unconscionable is the fact that someone told our friends family they were safe against pertussis while taking their money for a product that did not protect them, or those around them. Because of this misinformation, my child and others became ill. Thankfully the fully vaccinated family in question did not directly expose any babies < six months old, falsely believing they couldn't pass on something dangerous to that age group because they were vaccinated. They believe they had "infectious bronchitis" by the way. A fairly typical diagnosis for those who are vaccinated and contract pertussis from what I understand.

Hey, thanks for kicking the thread. :hi:

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