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Ed Barrow Donating Member (585 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-10 02:14 PM
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Pot smoking can worsen schizophrenia
Edited on Sat Jun-19-10 02:15 PM by Ed Barrow
Marijuana gives people with schizophrenia a quick rush but worsens their psychotic symptoms within a few hours, a new study reveals. Researchers in the Netherlands recruited 48 psychiatric patients and 47 healthy people to record what they were doing and how they felt 12 times a day for six days. All the study participants were regular pot smokers. The results showed that schizophrenia sufferers were more sensitive than healthy individuals to both the positive and negative effects of marijuana, or cannabis.

"People feel better when they use cannabis, and that's logical, because otherwise they wouldn't use cannabis," said study researcher Cecile Henquet of Maastricht University Medical Center in the Netherlands. "In spite of that, in the long run it's not so good for their psychotic symptoms."

Researchers have long wondered whether the mentally ill are using reefer to alleviate the classic symptoms of the disease: delusions, hallucinations and jumbled thoughts.

The new studies turn that reasoning on its head, said Deepak Cyril D'Souza, a psychiatrist at Yale University who was not involved in the study. "What the data clearly show are that, if anything, the core symptoms of schizophrenia actually get worse after using cannabis," he said.


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37779968/ns/health-addictions/
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-10 02:16 PM
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eShirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-10 02:23 PM
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2. As someone with a schizophrenic sibling, I don't doubt this. n/t
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-10 02:30 PM
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7. I also have a schizophrenic in the family and smoking pot is an ultimate trip
Edited on Sat Jun-19-10 02:30 PM by mzmolly
to the psych ward. My family member is pot free and as such hospital free, has been for ten years.
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-10 02:25 PM
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3. Don't use any drugs that make your condition worse.
Edited on Sat Jun-19-10 02:25 PM by tridim
Seems like common sense.

It helps me, so I smoke it. Period.
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-10 02:27 PM
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4. Pot is a DU god, one of the main ones, and they don't want to hear that here.
From experience I know that pot smoking can worsen schizophrenia. However, that will be denied to the heavens here at DU.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-10 02:30 PM
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6. Not yet and not by me.
Pot isn't a panacea, although it comes remarkably close for a majority of people and should be legalized. Now.

Not only have I seen schizophrenics and untreated bipolars worsen on it, I've also seen what it does to conservatives, make them paranoid to an extreme. Not everyone will find it useful, which is the case for all the other drugs out there.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-10 02:58 PM
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15. Good points,
all.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-10 02:31 PM
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8. Some tend to worship the weed, but others here
have seen the detrimental effects and don't share the same mentality. ;)
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-10 02:56 PM
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14. My guess is that is a small minority, but then what do we know from experience?
The sad and hard experience.
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-10 02:35 PM
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10. There's no doubt that it can worsen symptoms.
From my own experience, people who had other than a mild euphoric reaction to marijuana usually did not continue using it. Same with the other psychoactive recreational drugs.
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-10 02:29 PM
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5. So a person who is already hallucinating shouldn't use a
hallucinogen?

Makes sense to me.



:shrug:
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-10 02:32 PM
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9. I think it's more complex. Some who are not hallucinating but may be vulnerable
to doing so, should not use pot. I think those with bipolar may be especially vulnerable to tipping the scale.
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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-10 02:40 PM
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11. as i'm sure alcohol does as well
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Aramchek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-10 02:44 PM
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12. my neighbor's dog told me this is bullshit
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demosincebirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-10 02:55 PM
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13. It made me, slightly paranoid and rum-dumb.
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Newest Reality Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-10 03:01 PM
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16. Legalize it!
The fact that it is still illegal in many places is the most dangerous aspect of it, period.

This information does not necessarily underscore anything but a precaution to a segment of the population. Heck, you can inform people or even put it on the label as is done with other substances.

One thing that should be made absolutely clear is that people have different reactions and effects from most substances. Cannabis is very, very low on the list when it comes to any toxicity or adverse results. In fact, it leans towards a more medicinal result for many.
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the other one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-10 03:05 PM
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17. No link between pot and schizphrenia, according to studies
Studies that the msm doesn't push.

Pot use is up, schizophrenia is down. Hard to see a link, unless it's that increased pot use actually diminishes schizophrenia.

Google it yourself - it's a pita with an iPhone.
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4dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-10 03:30 PM
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18. Help, the paranoids are after me..
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-10 03:53 PM
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19. I'm sure alcohol does, too. That's no reason to deny it to the rest of us.
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HuckleB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-10 11:17 AM
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23. Well, one would actually want to see comparative studies to make such a claim in regard to alcohol.
Studies that have been done do indicate that alcohol can lead to more violent behavior in people with schizophrenia.

Nonetheless, none of that has anything to do with legalization. Yes, marijuana should be legalized. But we should also study its effects on people, including those dealing with mental illness.
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lbrtbell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-10 04:49 PM
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20. Drugs shouldn't be used for "recreation"
If you have a medical condition that requires marijuana, then go for it. Otherwise, quit being a douchebag. Anybody who needs to get stoned in order to have fun is obviously too boring to enjoy life.
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here_is_to_hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-10 08:09 PM
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21. pfffftttt...
Wow, did you read what you posted?
Are you saying I am a douchebag and boring because I smoke a joint now and again?

What might I expect from one who calls pot a 'drug'?

The nannystaters, teh hurt...oh, fuck off.
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GoneOffShore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-21-10 02:43 PM
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24. Do you drink wine or beer?
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-10 07:52 AM
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22. So pot is not a long term cure for schizophrenia.
They smoke, they feel better, it wears off, and they are back where they were. Duh.

Underneath all the weasel words, that's all this "study" "shows".
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