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tiptoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 08:31 PM
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'Today, the Institute of Medicine's (IOM) Food and Nutrition Board (FNB) has failed millions...' - x
Edited on Wed Dec-01-10 08:45 PM by tiptoe


Click and please K&R the full statement of Dr. John Jacob Cannell, regarding the Nov 30 IOM Food and Nutrition Board 2010 vitamin D recommendations:
Today, the FNB has failed millions...
3:00 PM PST November 30, 2010

After 13 year of silence, the quasi governmental agency, the Institute of Medicine's (IOM) Food and Nutrition Board (FNB), today recommended that a three-pound premature infant take virtually the same amount of vitamin D as a 300 pound pregnant woman. While that 400 IU/day dose is close to adequate for infants, 600 IU/day in pregnant women will do nothing to help the three childhood epidemics most closely associated with gestational and early childhood vitamin D deficiencies: asthma, auto-immune disorders, and, as recently reported in the largest pediatric journal in the world, autism. Professor Bruce Hollis of the Medical University of South Carolina has shown pregnant and lactating women need at least 5,000 IU/day, not 600.

The FNB also reported that vitamin D toxicity might occur at an intake of 10,000 IU/day (250 micrograms/day), although they could produce no reproducible evidence that 10,000 IU/day has ever caused toxicity in humans and only one poorly conducted study indicating 20,000 IU/day may cause mild elevations in serum calcium, but not clinical toxicity.

Viewed with different measure, this FNB report recommends that an infant should take 10 micrograms/day (400 IU) and a pregnant woman 15 micrograms/day (600 IU). As a single, 30 minute dose of summer sunshine gives adults more than 10,000 IU (250 micrograms), the FNB is apparently also warning that natural vitamin D input — as occurred from the sun before the widespread use of sunscreen — is dangerous. That is, the FNB is implying that God does not know what she is doing.

Disturbingly, this FNB committee focused on bone health, just like they did 14 years ago. They ignored the thousands of studies from the last ten years that showed higher doses of vitamin D helps: heart health, brain health, breast health, prostate health, pancreatic health, muscle health, nerve health, eye health, immune health, colon health, liver health, mood health, skin health, and especially fetal health...

--more--
(give it a K&R so others might be alerted to what's going on in America at all levels, political and health)
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tiptoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 12:14 AM
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1. Doctors prescribe for themselves 10K IU/dy...but only miniscule, biologically non-meaningful doses


...for pregnant women and for infants. Their BAD, anti-sun pre- and post-natal advice -- dating from AUgust 1999 journal Pediatrics -- is excused by their IOM FNB colleagues.

The FNB's choice to ignore the past 12 years of research in vitamin D -- where 97% of all that's known was researched -- is equivalent to academic fraud, and probably made to protect the AMA and AAP medical practictioners' from the consequences of their BAD pre-natal advice for pregnant women and and WORSE post-natal advice for care of infants. The Cannell theory of autism explains not only all the other theories' "spectrum" of claims -- e.g. high mercury and toxins levels -- it's also the only theory that explains why boys develop autism at a rate 4 times that of girls. It's acceptance by Harvard in August 2009 is the best-basis environmental trigger for the 30-fold increase in a autism in California, 1990-2007, as reported here. (The so-called "science-based medicine" critique of that study is a bogus piece of crap, a cheap, vaccine-industry-serving vulgar distortion of the study's methodology.)

If Cannell's Aug 2009-accepted theory is correct, the current epidemic of autism is the worst iatrogenic disease in human history -- that is, the worst disease in human history caused by doctors.

Beware, mothers and babyboomers -- the medical boards are protecting their "colleagues" and the health insurance industry, not patients, especially infants.

Just more corporate-assholism -- prime example here -- to go along with systemic GOP election fraud across the country. Fortunately, electronic voting machines in California were not yet controlled by GOP election fraudsters sufficiently such that simpleton CEOs Fiorina and/or Whitman could steal positions of power. Arnold dirtbag SHITzeneggger had already screwed the people in OCT 2003 after engaging in secret political intercourse with fed-identified energy-scamster CEO Ken Lay of Enron. The California economy is still burdened with the $11B debt that Calif Public Enemy #1 Scum-brain SHITzenegger created when he secretly conspired with Ken Lay to undermine the lawsuit of Lt. Gov Bustamante, immediately upon settling his slimey ass in office ($11B decision by novice governor within 72 hours of taking office -- obviously under order from Herr Ken Lay). What a puke-brain, punk ASSHOLE the presumably-former Hitler-loyalist turned out to be. May he rot in Hell, on behalf of the blind and disabled in California who were disenfranchised by program cuts due to SHITzenegger-created burdens against the CA General Fund.

Prime example of shit-brain, simpleton CEO-ISM, and why such stunted-brain, public-conflicted "business" "people" should never be allowed access to positions of public office: http://bit.ly/cgQQtp

Tony 'I want my life back' Hayward "dispersing BP liability" with corexit in the Gulf and Dickhead Cheney in the White House bunker on 9/11 deliberately withholding fire on an object about to strike the Penatagon on 9/11 are models of SIMPLETON, COMPROMISED, CONFLICTED, DISEASED CEO MIND-STATES and how they can only lead to disaster for the public interest.

Hoping for 9/11 re-investigation -- i.e. once a American-people TRUE-representative Congress is ever re-established after flushing out the hackable electronic voting machines and tamperable, vote-switching Lever machines in NY, in control of the radical GOP, from which Susan Eisenhower and a known 344,000 other republicans de-registered between 2006 and 2008.




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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 04:45 PM
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5. Find me some doctors who "prescribe" themselves 10,000 IU per day of vitamin D.
Your entire assertion is based on the underlying assumption of a giant conspiracy among doctors to try and kill people.
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tiptoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-10 10:59 AM
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8. Here are two usage examples: A doctor of mine volunteered having taken 10,000 IU/day for a number

of weeks, after being tested for vitamin D status and discovering a low level. Previously, she had seen and was intrigued by my own lab results, and I had provided her links to the research on the safety of Vitamin D3. I'm guessing she settled on 10,000 IU/day after reading Dr. Heaney and Dr. Vieth, per reports on the safety of Vitamin D3. I was surprised and impressed (and she was clear-eyed and healthy, in contrast to a year earlier). I'm curious what she might have read, if she's had feedback from colleagues (or patients) and what criteria/factors/info she might also be passing along if so (for example, weight accounts for 50% of variance in dose response).

"Prescribe" was used to convey the dosage the doctor reported using for herself ("for a few weeks"), info volunteered to me. D3 does not require a medical prescription. (I can see how the medically-minded might take objection.)

Here's a "published" report of usage of 10,000 IU/day by a Dr. Leonard Smith (age mid-60s):
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/05/12/shocking-update-sunshine-can-actually-decrease-your-vitamin-d-levels.aspx
...I recently received an interesting anecdote from Dr. Leonard Smith, a very prominent integrative medicine physician from southern Florida, who is now in his mid-60s.

He’d been an avid windsurfer for years, but suddenly noticed his vitamin D levels were low. So he took 5,000 units of oral vitamin D for awhile, but after several months his levels had only increased to about 31 ng/ml. He increased his dose to 10,000 units, and after a few months his levels were up to 50 ng/ml.

Interestingly, once he increased his vitamin D levels, a variety of skin conditions he’d acquired, such as moles and basal (cancer) cells in his skin, decreased substantially.

So clearly, vitamin D can be very powerful against a number of skin problems, including skin cancer.


"Your entire assertion is based on the underlying assumption of a giant conspiracy among doctors...

...to try and kill people."

I might partially agree about the first part, i.e., a "conspiracy"...of sorts...initially, perhaps a meager one of silence and suppression by the IOM FNB...but certainly not one even close to being "giant" in stature. From my brief experience with vitamin D since late 2008 and doctors on two separate occasions intending to requisition for me the wrong test for d-status, and, recently, another doctor recommending/"prescribing"/advising(/whatever) 50,000 IU/wk for 25 weeks to a very-deficient 63-yr old (ignoring weight, age, what's been shown clinically safe, and loading dosages), I'd surmise that the very-large majority of current medical practitioners are still quite ignorant about vitamin D, about its foundation for the human innate immune system. The suppression of the 14 vitamin D expert reports by the IOM FNB might be an inkling of a first, larger baby-step towards keeping silent about the dissent and keeping practitioners in ignorance. The vast majority of professionals reading the new IOM reference intakes won't have a clue of the dissent behind it or the 97%-of-all-vitamin-D-knowledge-in-last-decade basis of that dissent. Hopefully there won't be too much delay in acquiring the FNB-suppressed reports under the Freedom of Information Act, so professionals and especially their pregnant patients have opportunity to participate in those weighty decision to perhaps "get more 'sun'" through inexpensive, simple and safe interventions, and so newborns and infants whose mothers might have been bed-ridden for months during term (I know of one) can be called in proactively by their pediatrician and checked for vitamin d deficiency (I heard about one who denied testing a 16-mnth infant despite just such a basis, despite on an insurance plan, despite the study on autism) -- just in case they diligently followed the pre- and post-natal care 1999 guidelines of the AAP...and just in case Dr. Cannell's vitamin d theory of autism has even the slimmest of chances of holding up to scientific scrutiny...as it has, since Aug 2009, at that quackery, Harvard.

Said and implied no such extreme as to the latter. Naughty of you to spit out such an assertion. Can't "kill" by maintaining the status quo of unquestioned questionable medical practices. Perhaps can "let die" unnecessarily, however, i.e., if, for example, Dr Cedric Garland's model predictions are true about 75% of mortalities in North America due to colon and breast cancer being preventable with adequate intake of calcium and vitamin D. That's not really the same as killing. No, just a small conspiracy of silence and suppression so far...during possibly the ongoing worst iatrogenic disease in human history.

Cannell used to believe in conspiracies, but now understands it all to be ignorance.

He's probably right.


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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-10 12:59 PM
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11. Okay, so you just believe every scientist and doctor is willfully blind to actual medicine.
That nobody does independent science, that nobody reads journal articles, that scientific bodies are suppressing contradictory knowledge for nebulous purposes, and that a small persecuted group is trying to tell the truth against "the man."

Good science rarely comes out of a conspiracy theory; either something is true, or it's not.
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tiptoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-10 01:27 PM
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12. Willfully uncurious? Or woefully unfunded?? For 77 yrs science hadn't explored beyond bone for Vit D
Edited on Sat Dec-04-10 02:14 PM by tiptoe

Receptor Cells.

Once discovered post-1999 in 35 other tissues (at last count AFAIK), the presence of VDR cells naturally suggested targeted research into significance of vitamin d deficiency for those tissues.

The IOM's FNB (and yourself, perhaps?) apparently are stuck in the "bone age."

Disturbingly, this FNB committee focused on bone health, just like they did 14 years ago. They ignored the thousands of studies from the last ten years that showed higher doses of vitamin D helps: heart health, brain health, breast health, prostate health, pancreatic health, muscle health, nerve health, eye health, immune health, colon health, liver health, mood health, skin health, and especially fetal health...


Welcome to the New World.










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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-10 03:08 PM
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13. Dishonest and disingenuous. There have been lots and lots of studies about vitamin D.
And none of them have found benefits past 1100 IU per day of supplemental D. The assumption that "some is good, therefore tons is better" is not based on science.
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tiptoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 03:32 PM
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snagglepuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 03:38 PM
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3. K and R. Thanks for posting.
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 04:42 PM
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4. Scientific studies have shown no discernable benefit to vitamin D consumption above 1100 IU per day.
The "Vitamin D Council" can't seem to cite any studies that show a health benefit to the dosages they recommend, when studies do suggest that more than 2000 IU a day of supplemental vitamin D could be hazardous.

Nor can they get basic facts right: bodily production of vitamin D, with full body exposure to sunlight, is 10,000 IU per DAY, not per half hour.

http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/full/69/5/842

More to the point, sunlight-produced vitamin D is less bioavailable than supplemental D, and after about 20 minutes an equilibrium is established where new vitamin D is produced at about the same rate that the already produced vitamin D breaks down. The assertion that because it's natural, therefore it's good, and God wants it that way, is one that doesn't pass the smell test. Apparently no one there has ever heard of skin cancer.
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snagglepuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 09:12 PM
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6. Good grief . That article is 11 years old. So outdated it's meaningless.
Edited on Thu Dec-02-10 09:22 PM by snagglepuss
Scientists taking vitamin D in droves
Martin Mittelstaedt
From Friday's Globe and Mail
Published Thursday, Jul. 22, 2010 11:27PM EDT
Last updated Monday, Nov. 29, 2010 5:41PM EST


snip



Those researching the sunshine vitamin are so convinced of its benefits they’re popping far more than the recommended amounts.

Bruce Hollis, a pediatrics professor at the Medical University of South Carolina in Charleston, has spent years studying whether more of the sunshine vitamin would help pregnant and breastfeeding women and their babies.

Dr. Hollis is so convinced about the possible health benefits that he has been taking 4,000 International Units daily, for years, but recently upped it to 6,000 IU, to raise his blood levels of the nutrient. “I don’t know of anybody who is studying this who isn’t taking” the vitamin in robust amounts, Dr. Hollis says.




http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/health/scientists-taking-vitamin-d-in-droves/article1649132/








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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-10 12:41 PM
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9. Do you think that human bodies have changed their production of Vitamin D in 10 years?
Either you believe the fundamental laws of human bodies have changed within the last decade, or the point that the "Vitamin D Council" is dispersing completely false information is still valid.

And the "droves" of scientists you link to consists of three guys who take more than the maximum recommended 2,000 IU per day.
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-10 11:39 PM
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7. But the abstract from your link states:
Except in those with conditions causing hypersensitivity, there is no evidence of adverse effects with serum 25(OH)D concentrations <140 nmol/L, which require a total vitamin D supply of 250 µg (10000 IU)/d to attain.
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-10 12:44 PM
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10. Translation: you can't overdose on vitamin D through sunlight.
Which does not touch on the fact that vitamin D supplements are far more bioavailable than sunlight produced vitamin D, and that those quantities are added on top of what your body produces naturally and gets from regular food.

And it still doesn't address the fact that no study has shown health benefits to using vitamin D supplements above 1,100 IU per day.
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-10 05:23 PM
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14. I read the summary of the report. What I took away wasn't that
there are no health benefits from using Vitamin D above 1,100 IU, but that no one has been able to show this yet. The study also indicated that there is enough information to warrant further study and that it will be very difficult to ever get absolute proof given the number of variables involved.

The summary also indicated that while a blood level of 30ng/L is probably good enough for most people, some people might benefit from a level as high as 75ng/L.

All in all, the report was no where as definitive as the media reports suggested. The way I read it, the authors said that while they couldn't tell people to go out and take Vitamin D today, there may well be reason to do so in the future pending further study.

If I tell you that drinking cauliflower juice will cure all your ills, I'm talking through my hat. If I tell you taking Vitamin D might help control your lupus or diabetes or seasonal depression, I have some basis to that statement.

The approved medications for many of these chronic conditions are only partly effective and/or have major side effects and/or are expensive. If taking a dose of Vitamin D within safety limits makes a person feel better, why not take it?
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