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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 10:18 AM
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If it were the 2nd amendment, instead of the 1st and 4th
that were being subverted by the government, would the righties be so happy to support the subversion?

I posed this as a LTTE and to Stephanie Miller's e-mail . . .
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SteppingRazor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 10:28 AM
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1. Depends who's doing the subverting...
a few militia types would scream and holler, but generally speaking, most Republicans would go along with it if Republicans were the ones doing the subverting.

After all, if a Democratic administration had crushed the 1st and 4th amendments as badly as Bush, don't you think the Republicans would be raising Cain?
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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 10:34 AM
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2. Already happened
in the days following 4/19/1995 . . . Repukes were screaming about how Clinton was trying to turn this into a dictatorship by mentioning rabid reichwingers which would make Rush look like a flaming . . . liberal . . .
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SteppingRazor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 10:39 AM
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3. Precisely. In fact, there's lots of examples...
remember how Bosnia and Kosovo were just distractions from Lewinsky? And how Congress hadn't declared war, so Clinton wasn't within his rights to do what he did? :eyes:
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Tenseiga Donating Member (100 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 09:21 AM
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4. Honestly, YES
Armed rebellion is a concern for any government. It's also part of the reason there is an America, without which, this whole forum might be pointless, maybe even non-existent.

Republicans have just as much to lose as Democrats, Libertarians, and Ralph Nader, from an insurgence. At this point in time, more... :wow:
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unpossibles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-20-06 12:18 PM
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5. sadly, it's more than the 1st and 4th
Amendment V
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

Amendment VI
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense.

Amendment VII
In suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise reexamined in any court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.

Amendment VIII
Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.


Frankly, I am thinking we're heading toward having a Bill of Right (no plural) as soon as they squash a couple more.

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