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Crewleader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-31-07 11:39 PM
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OLDER WOMEN KNOW THEMSELVES — AND MEN — TOO WELL
By Frank Kaiser

The St. Petersburg Times recently asked readers, "What's wrong with older women?"

Trouble is, anyone likely to answer such a query has to be a bit of a misogynist. Am I wrong? It's like asking Adam what's wrong with Eve after they got booted from paradise.

"Don't get me started," he might say, conveniently forgetting that he himself never hesitated to take a big, juicy bite of the apple.


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wildhorses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-31-07 11:48 PM
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1. not a god damn thing --
next question.
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badgerpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-31-07 11:52 PM
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2. YEAH! n/t
:applause::yourock:
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-31-07 11:52 PM
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3. Great article
I've dated a few older women (my GF of 3 1/2 years just turned 56), and I can definitely agree. The main thing that men don't like about older women is that they have absolutely no patience for our bullshit.

I really think a lot of men are starting to figure out what older women have to offer. The real barrier for men is their own insecurity, both in their need to dominate a relationship and their desire to be seen as attractive to younger women.
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-01-07 12:22 AM
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4. good comment -
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-01-07 12:41 AM
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5. BTW, the most insensitve comments I get come from women my own age
I've actually been asked things like "how can you stand to touch her?" It seems to me that there's a deep fear of aging instilled in young women in our society.
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LynzM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-01-07 01:29 AM
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7. We wonder why we have a fear of aging?
What are the stereotypes? Young=beautiful. Old=frail and nursing home. This country isn't one to revere our elders or keep them happy and safe, on a whole. No wonder we fear it, not just a loss of being what our society sees as beautiful, but a fear of being more or less abandoned in our old age, for many people.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-01-07 02:06 AM
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8. Sadly, because women have been taught that aging makes them undesirable
And they've been taught that their entire self-worth is based on whether men find them desirable.

The good news is I really think this is changing (at least the first part).
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Art_from_Ark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-01-07 01:05 AM
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6. I hate to say this, but
according to the Genesis story, Adam DID hesitate to take a bite out of the big juicy apple. But he broke down when Eve told him the snake said it was OK...
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-01-07 05:51 AM
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9. Having just turned 50 a couple of months ago, I can honestly say that
my mantra of "I'm not getting older, I'm getting more dangerous" still holds true. I'm more savy and wise from experience, and dare I say it, a bit more fun from more imagination. I don't want to turn this into a competition between old-and-young. I'm just saying I'm comfortable where I am, and I don't mean that defensively.
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Crewleader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-18-07 11:15 AM
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10. You are aging gracefully ;)
From Suddenly Senior

The Art Of Aging Gracefully

Jun 12, 2007

(WebMD) In Nora Ephron's best-selling book, I Feel Bad About My Neck, she laments the sorry state of her 60-something neck: "Our faces are lies and our necks are the truth. You have to cut open a redwood tree to see how old it is, but you wouldn't have to if it had a neck," she writes.

"Every so often I read a book about age, and whoever's writing it says it's great to be old. It's great to be wise and sage and mellow; it's great to be at the point where you understand just what matters in life. I can't stand people who say things like this. What can they be thinking? Don't they have necks?"

With rueful humor, she writes about smoothing her face with Restylane and Botox, reading in large type, and grieving the deaths of beloved friends. Ultimately, Ephron concludes, "The honest truth is that it's sad to be over sixty."

Yes, getting older is rife with emotional landmines, gerontologists say, including fears of losing one's independence or getting a serious illness. Aging gracefully isn't always easy, but attitude matters a lot, experts say.

"For some reason, our society is very obsessed with pointing out negative aspects of aging," says Susan Whitbourne, Ph.D., professor of psychology at the University of Massachusetts, Amherst. She is also the past president of the American Psychological Association's Division on Aging.

But Whitbourne cautions, "Don't get bogged down in all the hype about aging. Once you start thinking about it, it can drive you mad. There's nothing you can do; the clock is going to tick away."

Happy Camper

Of course, not all seniors are pessimistic. Some, such as Kirt Spradlin, don't care a whit about what their necks look like.

The great-grandfather is one of those vigorous and optimistic elders who astounds his peers. Naturally, he tires more easily and has to take things slower, he says. But having battled prostate cancer, the California man relishes every single month that life affords him. When asked his age, he proudly replies, "79 and a half."

The former electrical engineer took up a new hobby after retirement: mountain climbing. He has climbed Mount Whitney and Kilimanjaro and trekked to Mount Everest's base camp. Just last year, he and wife Donna went on a weeklong backpacking trip -- just the two of them alone in the wilderness. Donna is 80.

"People think we're nuts," he says. But for him, aging with a crappy attitude is simply out of the question.

The Spradlins have grown old with astonishing grace and acceptance. But depression is a real threat among the old; some drift into isolation, bitterness, and a sense of meaninglessness. Still others put up their dukes, determined to go down swinging. Face-lifts and tummy tucks? Bring it on.

Experts who have worked with thousands of seniors share their insights into how you can navigate emotional challenges in order to age gracefully.

The Old Are Survivors

It's true that aging brings hardships, but remember that the old are survivors -- a select group.

Wisdom, resilience and a mature perspective are often cited as the hard-won prizes of aging. But growing old itself is an accomplishment.

"But if you get to be older, you have survived a lot of the threats to your physical and psychological integrity that have affected other people who are no longer around," psychologist Whitbourne says.

Through good luck or good genes or both, the old have dodged fatal accidents, premature disease, and other things that kill the young. "You are stronger, and you get to live longer," she says. "Most people think that's a benefit."

A dose of healthy denial can improve outlook in one's later years, she adds. "The people who do the best with aging aren't thinking that much about getting older. They're not really focusing on what's not working anymore. If you sit around mulling over the meaning of existence and how time is running out, you're building in a scenario where you're not going to age as successfully."

Accepting Changes

Accept the inevitable changes of aging, rather than seeing them as aberrant crises.

During the course of his career, Illinois psychologist Mark Frazier, Psy.D., has worked with thousands of older people "ages 65 to 105," he says. Again and again, he's seen an important key to psychological health: accepting that your life won't stay the same. Aging changes everyone. "If you live until you're 95 years old, you're probably not going to be living alone in a beautiful apartment and driving your car to the grocery store and picking up your dry cleaning and walking a mile to the park. But if you know that ahead of time, it's much easier to manage it," he says.

"To age gracefully, one needs to anticipate the changes that are inevitable," Frazier says. "People who think rigidly do not do that. As they encounter the natural changes and health status that are part of aging, these things are experienced as negative and adding a lot of stress and strain to their life. Rigid thinkers tend to get overwhelmed. They can't manage it, and they get depressed."

"Other people anticipate what's going to happen," he says. "It's more of a 'Yes, I knew this was coming and I know that I'll negotiate my way through it.'"

Avoiding Stereotypes

Get over your own stereotypes about growing older.

Sue Ellen Cooper, 62, understands Ephron's dirge about "compensatory dressing" and obligatory hair dye. "It's not disgraceful to mourn the loss of your beauty," Cooper says. "But it's going. So you may as well do what you can and then forget it because there's so much more to life than how you look and what other people think of you."

Almost a decade ago, Cooper started the Red Hat Society to celebrate women 50 and over. Red Hat now boasts 40,000 chapters in the U.S. and abroad. Most members wear red hats and purple dresses to the group's social outings.

But Cooper admits that when she was younger, she harbored prejudice against older people. "When I would meet people, I'd think, "She probably wouldn't be a potential friend for me because she's 20 years older -- just these things where we make a split-second judgment on appearance."

Having met thousands of older women through the Red Hat Society, she has replaced the stereotypical thinking with a positive view of aging gracefully. "First impression doesn't tell you a thing. Some of these people have had incredible lives and careers and still have a great sense of humor and a lot of intellect, and the culture will write them off: 'Oh, she's an old lady and she's overweight.'"

"OK, world, here we are: 'old women,'" Cooper says defiantly. "We're about gathering women together as they get older and having that companionship and friendship that makes it less scary for women in this culture. We're still cool."

Finding Meaningful Activities

Continue to find meaning later in life.

"Retirement has always been a time when we see people withdraw from their roles," says Pauline Abbott, EdD, director of gerontology at the Institute of Gerontology, California State University, Fullerton. During this risky time, some older people succumb to depression and a sense of meaninglessness.

"Part of the challenge of aging gracefully is that you have to continue to find things that are important to you," Frazier says. That can include travel, spiritual pursuits, hobbies, new social groups, lifelong learning, or recapturing time with family if one lacked the chance during the career years, experts say.

Plan for purposeful activities before you retire, Abbott says. "It should be a transition. It shouldn't be, 'Stop work one day and fall off a cliff.' It's time to follow where your passions lie."

Without meaningful goals, "You get into this whole attitude of 'Oh, my gosh - woe's me. My memory's going, I'm slow, all I do is go to wakes and funerals,'" Frazier says. "If you don't have important things out in front of you, there's enough about the aging process that is not positive and you can get caught up in what you don't like about it."


By Katherine Kam Reviewed by Louise Chang © 2007 WebMD, Inc. All rights reserved.

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