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emad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 11:58 AM
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Tracks of extinct, giant scorpion found in Scotland

LONDON, Nov 30 (Reuters) - Tracks made 330 million years ago by a six-legged water scorpion bigger than a human have been found in Scotland.

Martin Whyte, the geologist at the University of Sheffield in northern England who discovered the tracks, said on Wednesday they were left by a scorpion that measured 1.6 metres (5 ft 3 inches) in length and one metre across.

"To my knowledge, this is ... the largest terrestrial trackway of a walking arthropod to be found so far," he said in a report in the journal Nature.

Arthropods include insects, spiders, crabs, shrimps and lobsters. They have a body divided into distinct parts, an outside skeleton and jointed legs.

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L30435352.htm
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 12:04 PM
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1. I thought scorpions had eight legs?
Did the prehistoric versions have only six? What about spiders?
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Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 12:15 PM
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2. Haven't read the article yet
but water scorpions are true bugs, 6 legs. Real Scorpions are arachnids - 8.
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 12:29 PM
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5. Oh! That would explain it.
I thought water scorpions were just scorpions that like to swim.

Thanks for clueing me in.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 11:01 PM
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18. Wrong water scorpions. LOL
The water scorpions these guys are talking about is an extint group of proto-arachnids similar to horseshoe crabs.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 12:25 PM
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4. Scorpions got the extra two legs that the serpents gave up after The Fall
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 12:30 PM
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6. Oh! That would explain it, too.
As long as there's a scientific explanation, I'm content.
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Sequoia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 12:23 PM
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3. Reminds me of that B movie:
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 12:38 PM
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7. Here's some more about the giant scorpions
Giant Water Scorpion Tracks Found
By Rossella Lorenzi, Discovery News



Pictures: Courtesy of Martin Whyte |
Drawing of the Monster Scorpion
This is a drawing of a six-legged water scorpion as big as a man walked the Earth some 330 million years ago.

More:
http://dsc.discovery.com/news/briefs/20051128/scorpion_din.html


Water scorpion made Scottish track

LONDON (AP) -- A scientist in Scotland has discovered tracks made by a huge water scorpion 330 million years ago, the first of the species ever discovered and the only evidence showing it could survive outside of the water, according to the journal Nature's edition published Thursday.

More:
http://www.cnn.com/2005/TECH/science/11/30/scotland.scorpion.ap/


A giant step, for scorpions
Discovery of foot, tail prints sheds light on lumbering, prehistoric creepy-crawlies

<snip>

"It wasn't terrifically comfortable out of water. There are marks that suggest it was quite a jerky movement," said Dr. Whyte, who announced his discovery in today's edition of the British scientific journal Nature.

Fossils of giant scorpions are rare, but have been found before. They are known as having been aggressive predators and, like their smaller descendants, some may have had poison in their huge tails.

<snip>

For two decades, scientists believed that the biggest spiders to ever walk the Earth also lived during this period. One of only a few giant-spider fossils, which was a metre long, was discovered in Argentina but locked in a bank vault for two decades because of an ownership dispute. Earlier this year, a spider expert at the University of Manchester examined the fossil, and found it was a giant scorpion, about half the size of the one that left the tracks discovered by Dr. Whyte.

Some species of giant scorpions likely preyed on the first four-limbed creatures that were colonizing land. But Dr. Whyte believes this particular type, Hibbertopterus, was a gentle giant.

"I think the fearsomeness is exaggerated," he said.

More:
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/TPStory/LAC/20051201/SCORPION01/TPScience/


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Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 01:18 PM
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16. that looks more like a shrimp or a horseshoe crab
the water scorpions I know are more like stick bugs


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Sequoia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 02:30 PM
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17. Thanks. This, and that gozilla sea monster a few weeks back.
What next? When those glaciers melt what will be there I wonder?
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greyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 12:48 PM
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8. Tracks of extinct, giant scorpion found in Scotland
Nov 30, 2005 — LONDON (Reuters) - Tracks made 330 million years ago by a six-legged water scorpion bigger than a human have been found in Scotland.

Martin Whyte, the geologist at the University of Sheffield in northern England who discovered the tracks, said on Wednesday they were left by a scorpion that measured 1.6 meters (5 ft 3 inches) in length and one meter across.

"To my knowledge, this is … the largest terrestrial trackway of a walking arthropod to be found so far," he said in a report in the journal Nature.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=1359211


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MnFats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 12:48 PM
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9. bet it had a hell of a sting....I don't miss him. n/t
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burrowowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 12:48 PM
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10. In NM they
found tracks of a centiped that would make the creature over 2 m.
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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 12:48 PM
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11. Fascinating...
When I was a child I used to yearn for a spaceship to travel the universe: to see exotic worlds and meet more exotic creatures.

I'm always delighted and suprised to realize that this world holds a hologram of diversity beyond my wildest dreams.

PB
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enlightenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 12:48 PM
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12. We used to hold "scorpion races" down the hallways of our
dorm in Texas -- bet I could have won ALL the time with that sucker.

Cool discovery, but honestly; ewwhh!
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NorCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 12:48 PM
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15. or trashed your dorm :) n/t
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greyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 12:48 PM
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13. Researchers knew about it, but debated whether it came on land
Scary-looking but benign
Hibbertopterus would have looked frightening if we were to go back in time and confront one, but it was not equipped to attack large animals.

"I think the animal would certainly have been fearsome in aspect whether you met it in or out of the water," Whyte said. "However, the evidence of its feeding apparatus suggests that it had two anterior limbs specialized for sweeping through water and capturing small organisms."

Hibbertopterus and its relatives were the last surviving water scorpions, all having died out about 250 million years ago.

Very distant cousins have survived to modern times, however. The closest living relatives are land scorpions, king crabs and horseshoe crabs, Whyte said. "The latter are marine animals but do penetrate far up rivers and do at times come out of water onto sandy beaches."

*Illustration at the link: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10266534/
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amitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 12:48 PM
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14. At last, Barbara Bush can rest her beautiful mind.
They found her mommy! :hug:
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