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indigobusiness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-05 07:51 PM
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Weather??? Human or extra-terrestrial hand in weather manipulation?
Edited on Mon Jan-31-05 08:17 PM by indigobusiness
weather manipulation
Staff Reporter
January 30, 2005


Graphic by: Steven E. Hall

Over the past years, China has installed 74 sets of the world's advanced Doppler weather radar with 87 per cent put into operation. But in the last year all on a sudden the weather forecasting computer models have failed so badly that China has decided to install thirty more of the devices rapidly this year with a satellite launched later last year expected to start its operations soon.

This is the same story echoed in every part of the world from India to America. Weather forecasting models are just failing and the variation patterns are so obvious that forecasters all over the world are scratching their heads.

World is experiencing some extreme weathers and weather forecasters in all parts of the world are just failing for reasons unknown to all.

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In India, China, Africa, Europe, all over the world the same story is repeating. In every country the meteorologists are thinking that these anomalies are just present in their region. But it is global and increasing every day.

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http://www.indiadaily.com/editorial/01-30b-05.asp
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-05 08:02 PM
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1. On the ground we're getting a little wobbly and in the air the
the jet streams are getting wobbly and people who have Boeing aircraft are flying everywhere dropping something that isn't the normal condensation and under-water testing is still going on - though whales, porpoises, sea worms, shrimp, and some of the birds 'know'.
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indigobusiness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-05 08:12 PM
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3. Manmade noise in the oceans is driving whales up the wall
and onto the beach...etc. Aside from the crazy weather.

We had a Blue-Footed Boobie overwinter here recently...very unusual.

The weather is changing and the sun feels different on my skin.
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AZCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-05 08:06 PM
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2. I don't see how the author of the article makes the jump...
The bulk of the article is about how weather forecasting models are failing. The author then ends with this paragraph:
The massive scale of the same problem gives rise to the fact that there may be some bigger hand involved. In South America and Central America native Indians believed that their Gods used to control the weather on a daily basis. We may be looking the same pattern where “Someone" is controlling the worldwide weather.
</snip>

There is no discussion anywhere else in the article about this, yet it manages to make it into the headline -
"In every country of the world, all on a sudden the weather forecasting computer models are failing – human or extra-terrestrial hand in weather manipulation."

Perhaps I am asking too much, but I prefer that when a subject is important enough to be part of the headline that there be some substantive discussion of it in the article, rather than a throw-away paragraph at the end.
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indigobusiness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-05 08:14 PM
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4. Yeah, I know what you mean. Indian journalists can be a bit eager.
Seen this pic?

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AZCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-05 08:35 PM
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8. I have seen that pic
It has been posted in several HAARP threads in GD.
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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-05 08:16 PM
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5. Engrish is a beautiful thing
It makes news articles 'perplexed' :D

And you'd have to be aware of a rash of recent Indian articles talking about massive government conspiracies to cover up alien landings to figure out where this is coming from.
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indigobusiness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-05 08:25 PM
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6. India may be the first to explain to the world about extra-terrestrial/ufo
(Yeah, but bigotry and snobbery sucks in all forms.

To illuminate your reference, I'm posting this for those interested.)

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India may be the first country to explain to the world about extra-terrestrial and UFO contacts – the secret debate is on
Staff Reporter
January 06, 2005


New Delhi is in the middle of a big secret internal debate. On one side the largest democracy of the world is eager to explain to its citizens and to the world about the ongoing contacts with the UFOs and extra-terrestrials. On the other hand there are invisible untold international protocols that prohibit doing anything that may cause worldwide fear and panic.

It is well accepted between the UFO and extra-terrestrial experts that all the five nuclear powers are in contact with the beings from other stars for quite some time. Recently India has seen enormous news on UFO contacts and secret UFO bases in Himalayas near the Chinese bases. In Ladak, for example the locals clearly point out the everyday phenomenon of large triangular spacecrafts coming out below the ground and Indian security forces protecting them.

Military officials and politicians have confessed the fact that India has been contacted. India has been told the rules of the Universe.

The current debate is on whether to keep it secret like other countries are doing or in tradition of a total transparent society come out and tell the truth. India is so open and democratic; it is very difficult to keep a secret for long. The biggest concern of the Government today is that unlike in other countries, it will be very difficult to keep it secret for long. If the information comes out through unofficial channels first and then the authorities are pressed against the wall to confess, two bad things can happen. First, it can really cause a panic in the country as well as the world. Second, the way the Indian politics is run, the ruling party will be thrown out of power in no time i it is ever found that the Government withheld such information from the public.


http://www.indiadaily.com/editorial/01-06a-05.asp

or

http://www.rense.com/general61/et.htm


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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-05 08:50 PM
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10. Yup, that's the one
We have these UFO fits occasionally, and I guess India is currently doing the same.
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indigobusiness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-05 09:30 PM
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11. You don't know much about India. UFOs go back 5 thousand years
to the Vedas. The foundation of Hinduism. The oldest and most authoritative Hindu sacred texts.
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jjtss Donating Member (123 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-05 08:33 PM
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7. I may be wrong but....
The US (G.Brish in particular) has refused to ratify the Kyoto Accords because they would have to disclose any of their weather affecting programs including HAARP. I often wonder how much weather has been affected by HAARP and how much is a result of the polarity reversal in progress now. I can't imagine that any responsible ET would deliberately endanger this planet.:D
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indigobusiness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-05 09:46 PM
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13. Good points. .. Here is some pre-HARP info
Some info on pre-HAARP atmospheric experiments.
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Project Argus (1958)

Between August and September 1958, the US Navy exploded three fission type nuclear bombs 480 km above the South Atlantic Ocean, in the part of the lower Van Allen Belt closest to the earth's surface. In addition, two hydrogen bombs were detonated 160 km over Johnston Island in the Pacific. The military called this "the biggest scientific experiment ever undertaken." ......The purpose appears to be to assess the impact of high altitude nuclear explosions on radio transmission and radar operations because of the electromagnetic pulse (EMP), and to increase understanding of the geomagnetic field and the behavior of the charged particles in it.

This gigantic experiment created new (inner) magnetic radiation belts encompassing almost the whole earth, and injected sufficient electrons and other energetic particles into the ionosphere to cause world wide effects. The electrons traveled back and forth along magnetic force lines, causing an artificial "aurora" when striking the atmosphere near the North Pole.

Project Starfish (1962)
On July 9, 1962, the US began a further series of experiments with the ionosphere. From their description: "one kiloton device, at a height of 60 km and one megaton and one multi-megaton, at several hundred kilometers height" (K.H.A., 29 June 1962). These tests seriously disturbed the lower Van Allen Belt, substantially altering its shape and intensity. "In this experiment the inner Van Allen Belt will be practically destroyed for a period of time; particles from the Belt will be transported to the atmosphere. It is anticipated that the earth's magnetic field will be disturbed over long distances for several hours, preventing radio communication. The explosion in the inner radiation belt will create an artificial dome of polar light that will be visible from Los Angeles" (K.H.A. 11 May 1962). A Fijian Sailor, present at this nuclear explosion, told me that the whole sky was on fire and he thought it would be the end of the world.......

The lower Van Allen Belt, consisting of charged particles that move along the geomagnetic field lines... will similarly be disrupted. As a result of the explosion, this field will be locally destroyed, while countless new electrons will be introduced into the lower belt" (K.H.A. 11 May 1962). "On 19 July... NASA announced that as a consequence of the high altitude nuclear test of July 9, a new radiation belt had been formed, stretching from a height of about 400 km to 1600 km; it can be seen as a temporary extension of the lower Van Allen Belt" (K.H.A. 5 August 1962).

As explained in the Encyclopedia Britannica: "... Starfish made a much wider belt that extends from low altitude out past L=3 ." Later in 1962, the USSR undertook similar planetary experiments, creating three new radiation belts between 7,000 and 13,000 km above the earth. According to the Encyclopedia, the electron fluxes in the lower Van Allen Belt have changed markedly since the 1962 high- altitude nuclear explosions by the US and USSR, never returning to their former state. According to American scientists, it could take many hundreds of years for the Van Allen Belts to destabilize at their normal levels

Mighty Oaks (1986)

In April 1986, just before the Chernobyl disaster, the US had a failed hydrogen test at the Nevada Test Site called Mighty Oaks. This test, conducted far underground, consisted of a hydrogen bomb explosion in one chamber, with a leaded steel door to the chamber, two meters thick, closing within milliseconds of the blast. The door was to allow only the first radioactive beam to escape into the "control room" in which expensive instrumentation was located. The radiation was to be captured as a weapon beam. The door failed to close as quickly as planned, causing the radioactive gases and debris to fill the control room, destroying millions of dollars worth of equipment. The experiment was part of a program to develop X-ray and particle beam weapons. The radioactive releases from Mighty Oaks were vented, under a "licensed venting" and were likely responsible for many of the North American nuclear fallout reports in May 1986, which were attributed to the Chernobyl disaster.

Much more..http://www.earthpulse.com/haarp/background.html


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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-05 08:41 PM
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9. What's the first thing climatologists say about global warming?
"It will increase the volatility of the weather"

Why is it surprising that the weather is getting harder to predict?

Climatologists predicted it would get harder to predict.

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indigobusiness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-05 09:35 PM
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12. Scientists Grapple with Climate as Crisis Grows
Scientists Grapple with Climate as Crisis Grows

Edited on Mon Jan-31-05 08:31 PM by True_Blue
EXETER, England (Reuters) - Scientists will step into a feud between Washington and its allies over global warming at a British-sponsored meeting this week.

The conference comes just days after an international report described the climate crisis as a time bomb and a conservation group warned of disastrous warming in the Arctic.

Scientists from 30 nations as varied as Australia, India and Japan will meet in Exeter, England, from Feb. 1-3 to try to define what constitutes "dangerous" levels of warming. But they will not make any recommendations to policymakers.

"The purpose is to have a debate of the scientific facts. We will collect the best information we have to give to the politicians ... but don't expect to make any recommendations," conference chairman Dennis Tirpak said ahead of the meeting.

more....
http://tinyurl.com/68xng



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indigobusiness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-05 09:58 PM
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14. Arctic ozone layer is thinning,.. North Europe faces radiation danger
Edited on Mon Jan-31-05 10:01 PM by indigobusiness
North Europe faces radiation danger if cold conditions continue

Thomas Seiler / Alfred Wegener Institute for Polar and Marine Research
Researchers in Spitzbergen, Norway, prepare to launch a balloon that's hooked up to an ozonesonde, a device that measures ozone layer conditions. The low light created the blurred image of the balloon.



Mother of pearl clouds are seen above Norway at sunrise on Jan. 5. The clouds consist of ice particles and typically form when conditions cause local cold spots in the stratosphere.
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Updated: 1:31 p.m. ET Jan. 31, 2005The ozone layer over the Arctic has thinned due to colder-than-normal temperatures, and "large scale losses" are likely if the cold conditions continue, a European research group reported.

The research prompted the European Commission on Monday to issue a statement warning that “should further cooling of the Arctic stratosphere occur, increasing ozone losses can be expected for the next couple of decades.”

more...

http://feeds.bignewsnetwork.com/redir.php?jid=fa6e66d1a72eae61&cat=c08dd24cec417021
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indigobusiness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-05 10:10 PM
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15. Climate change 'disaster by 2026
Climate change 'disaster by 2026'

Polar bears are at risk of dying out if the Arctic summer sea ice melts. Dangerous levels of climate change could be reached in just over 20 years if nothing is done to stop global warming, a WWF-UK study claims.

At current rates, the Earth will be 2C above pre-industrial levels some time between 2026 and 2060, says a paper by Dr Mark New of Oxford University.

Temperatures in the Arctic could rise by three times this amount, he says. It would lead to a loss of summer sea ice and tundra vegetation, with polar bears and other animals dying out.



"Polar bears will be consigned to history, something that our grandchildren can only read about in books."

Dr Catarina Cardoso
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Dr New said: "A very robust result from global climate models is that warming due to greenhouse gases will reduce the amount of snow and ice cover in the Arctic, which will in turn produce an additional warming as more solar radiation is absorbed by the ground and the ocean."

Ice and snow reflect more solar radiation back to space than unfrozen surfaces. According to the WWF, the perennial ice, or summer sea ice, is currently melting at a rate of 9.6% per decade and will disappear completely by the end of the century if present trends continue.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/oxfordshire/4218441.stm
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pmbryant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 11:06 AM
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16. Another joke?
Edited on Tue Feb-01-05 11:11 AM by pmbryant
Is this "India Daily" serious or is it an Onion-like, or Weekly World News-like, publication?

Evidence points to the latter, with this story and the previous "meteor swarm from other Galaxy will hit Earth in a few decades" that you posted a couple weeks ago.

Not a single source for even the mundane claim that weather predictions are failing more often than usual. I suspect it was just made up.

--Peter


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seriousstan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 04:54 PM
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17. You call this a joke?
Edited on Tue Feb-01-05 05:02 PM by seriousstan
Eight more quakes in Andaman-Nicobar – aftershock epicenters moving northwards – someone building tectonic plate level tunnel towards Himalayas?

http://www.indiadaily.com/editorial/01-31d-05.asp

Or what about this?

Rumor of a UFO crash in Nepal China border


http://www.indiadaily.com/editorial/01-31c-05.asp

And what about the slideshow of UFO pics. I haven't seen realism like that since "Plan Nine From Outerspace".

<sarcasm off>
I even found 1 of their pictures posted all over the web.....

Pass the bong you bogart. :smoke:
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pmbryant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 05:02 PM
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18. LOL
Weekly World News, it is.

:crazy:

Peter
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HeeBGBz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 05:47 PM
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21. I don't know about India
But our weather forecasters have been consistantly and noticably wrong all winter.
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indigobusiness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-05 08:28 AM
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19. Freak storms lash eastern Australia, at least two dead
Freak storms lash eastern Australia, at least two dead

03 February 2005

MELBOURNE, Australia : Freak summer storms lashed eastern Australia overnight, dumping record rains on Melbourne, hitting Brisbane with a towering dust storm and leaving at least two people dead, officials said.

Melbourne received more rain in the 24 hours to Thursday morning than during any day since records began in 1856, leaving the city's rivers and waterways swollen to bursting point.

...

The storms, caused by an intense low-pressure system, hit a vast area from Queensland state in the north, through New South Wales and Victoria and on to the island state of Tasmania off mainland Australia's southeastern corner.

The front swept in on Wednesday when eastern Australia was experiencing blue skies and sweltering heat normal for the height of the southern summer. But within hours temperatures plunged to record lows and skies went dark as massive storm clouds dumped rain, hail and even snow across vast areas.

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/afp_asiapacific/view/130602/1/.html
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indigobusiness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-05 08:32 AM
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20. Global warming: scientists reveal timetable
Global warming: scientists reveal timetable

03 February 2005


A detailed timetable of the destruction and distress that global warming is likely to cause the world was unveiled yesterday.

It pulls together for the first time the projected impacts on ecosystems and wildlife, food production, water resources and economies across the earth, for given rises in global temperature expected during the next hundred years.

The resultant picture gives the most wide-ranging impression yet of the bewildering array of destructive effects that climate change is expected to exert on different regions, from the mountains of Europe and the rainforests of the Amazon to the coral reefs of the tropics.

...

As present world temperatures are already 0.7C above the pre-industrial level, the process is well under way. In the near future - the next 25 years - as the temperature climbs to the 1C mark, some specialised ecosystems will start to feel stress, such as the tropical highland forests of Queensland, which contain a large number of Australia's endemic plant species, and the succulent karoo plant region of South Africa. In some developing countries, food production will start to decline, water shortage problems will worsen and there will be net losses in GDP.

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/environment/story.jsp?story=607254
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