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rayofreason Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 12:43 AM
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Temperature Monitors Report Widescale Global Cooling
Twelve-month long drop in world temperatures wipes out a century of warming

Over the past year, anecdotal evidence for a cooling planet has exploded. China has its coldest winter in 100 years. Baghdad sees its first snow in all recorded history. North America has the most snowcover in 50 years, with places like Wisconsin the highest since record-keeping began. Record levels of Antarctic sea ice, record cold in Minnesota, Texas, Florida, Mexico, Australia, Iran, Greece, South Africa, Greenland, Argentina, Chile -- the list goes on and on.

No more than anecdotal evidence, to be sure. But now, that evidence has been supplanted by hard scientific fact. All four major global temperature tracking outlets (Hadley, NASA's GISS, UAH, RSS) have released updated data. All show that over the past year, global temperatures have dropped precipitously.


http://www.dailytech.com/Temperature+Monitors+Report+Worldwide+Global+Cooling/article10866.htm
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 12:50 AM
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1. How Global Warming May Cause the Next Ice Age...
How Global Warming May Cause the Next Ice Age...
by Thom Hartmann

While global warming is being officially ignored by the political arm of the Bush administration, and Al Gore's recent conference on the topic during one of the coldest days of recent years provided joke fodder for conservative talk show hosts, the citizens of Europe and the Pentagon are taking a new look at the greatest danger such climate change could produce for the northern hemisphere - a sudden shift into a new ice age. What they're finding is not at all comforting.

In quick summary, if enough cold, fresh water coming from the melting polar ice caps and the melting glaciers of Greenland flows into the northern Atlantic, it will shut down the Gulf Stream, which keeps Europe and northeastern North America warm. The worst-case scenario would be a full-blown return of the last ice age - in a period as short as 2 to 3 years from its onset - and the mid-case scenario would be a period like the "little ice age" of a few centuries ago that disrupted worldwide weather patterns leading to extremely harsh winters, droughts, worldwide desertification, crop failures, and wars around the world.

Here's how it works.

More at http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0130-11.htm
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 01:03 AM
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2. I was just going to post that
There was a spike in warming just before the other ice ages, with or without a spike in CO2 levels.

It seems reasonable that the same process could be starting to occur now. We're just helping it along with our greenhouse gases.
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shireen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 03:24 AM
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3. i hate those sorts of headlines
because people will automatically assume that global warming isn't real. Global warming is very complex; the net effect is long-term warming. But the disruptions and instabilities in temperature, rainfall totals, rising sea level, and storm intensities are the things that will cause the most destruction. One year of "cooling" does not mean anything given the severe ramp-up in temperatures we've seen in the past few decades.

There's a nice explanation of the ocean conveyor belt at http://fermi.jhuapl.edu/student/currents/conveyor.htm ... once you understand it, you'll see how melting ice in the Arctic and Antarctic can disrupt the movement of water, causing very cold conditions in some parts of the world.

I don't think anyone can accurately predict how global warming will play out in the decades to come as more natural systems get disrupted. There are too many variables. But anytime a complex dynamic system is "suddenly" (in the context of geologic time) disrupted, things will get awfully crazy.

Image from http://fermi.jhuapl.edu/student/currents/conveyor.htm


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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 12:08 PM
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4. "Record cold in ... Florida." ???
I've lived in Florida almost 20 years now and this winter is the warmest since I've been here.
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semillama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 02:16 PM
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5. Yeah, the article is misleading.
2007 was one of the warmest years on record. We get one decent winter in the last decade and people think that global warming isn't real again...
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Markgalantier Donating Member (11 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 10:04 PM
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8. Consider the source. What the hell is "Daily Tech"?
I wonder.
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seasat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 02:54 PM
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11. This Blog was featured on Limpbaugh and the editor sent Limp a thank you.
Seems to me that it is definitely not a reality based blog. They seem to focus on computers and tech with a few blogs that attack the green house theory of climate change. It's obvious to me that neither the blogger nor the editor have backgrounds in science. The editor seems to have some background in mathematics and computers.

Here's what the editor wrote in response to Limpie's quote of his blogger.

Hi Rush,

Thanks for the DailyTech mention yesterday!

I enjoyed your commentary on the article. I really liked that you emphasized the fact that the anecdotal evidence means nothing in this debate -- and you're 100% correct.

Here's the problem Michael Asher and others like myself have. Global Warming is happening -- absolutely -- when you look at the data along a ten thousand year scale. But when you change the scale to 5 years, 50 years, or 5,000 years, the data can back any argument any pundit would like.
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seasat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 03:15 PM
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6. And from from a real science source, "2007 is second warmest year".
According to this Cracker Jack Box science article NASA GISS has confirmed that the temperatures have "Precipitously dropped". Well, I'll call BS on that one. NASA GISS issued a press release back back in January that stated:

Climatologists at the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS) in New York City have found that 2007 tied with 1998 for Earth's second warmest year in a century.

"It is unlikely that 2008 will be a year with truly exceptional global mean temperature," said Hansen. "Barring a large volcanic eruption, a record global temperature clearly exceeding that of 2005 can be expected within the next few years, at the time of the next El Nino, because of the background warming trend attributable to continuing increases of greenhouse gases."


Another indication that this is a BS article is that they state increases in snow cover as an indication of cooler temperatures. Snow cover is not solely a function of temperature but also precipitation and other climate factors. You can have a large snow cover with temperatures staying below freezing. However, if the previous temperature record can show a much colder climate with less snow cover if there is lower precipitation.

Also in looking at the Hadley center data, the author of this blog is using a one month data point (Jan 2008) to declare that there is now global cooling. There is also another month in previous years that has a large drop like this. It was during the minimum of the solar cycle just like where we are in now.

I'll accept this more from a peer reviewed scientific paper with a trend of real data instead of a conservative blogger.
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Markgalantier Donating Member (11 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 10:03 PM
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7. 2007 was one of the top 10 warmest years ever
When you give me statistics showing that one given year has been cold, then I'll believe there's global cooling.
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Celebration Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 09:24 AM
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9. Skeptics on Human Climate Impact Seize on Cold Spell
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/02/science/02cold.html?em&ex=1204606800&en=8bea6663da405857&ei=5087%0A

The world has seen some extraordinary winter conditions in both hemispheres over the past year: snow in Johannesburg last June and in Baghdad in January, Arctic sea ice returning with a vengeance after a record retreat last summer, paralyzing blizzards in China, and a sharp drop in the globe’s average temperature.

It is no wonder that some scientists, opinion writers, political operatives and other people who challenge warnings about dangerous human-caused global warming have jumped on this as a teachable moment.

“Earth’s ‘Fever’ Breaks: Global COOLING Currently Under Way,” read a blog post and news release on Wednesday from Marc Morano, the communications director for the Republican minority on the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee.

So what is happening?

According to a host of climate experts, including some who question the extent and risks of global warming, it is mostly good old-fashioned weather, along with a cold kick from the tropical Pacific Ocean, which is in its La Niña phase for a few more months, a year after it was in the opposite warm El Niño pattern.

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hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 02:29 PM
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10. All those things are indications of more energy in the system.
All that cold air is sloshing about more than usual because some other place is warmer than usual.

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