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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 10:26 PM
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Do you live on the coast? Waiting on the government to provide a plan for sea rise?
Edited on Fri Apr-11-08 10:44 PM by Dover

Do you have your own plan or considered these changes? I have a friend involved in coastal surveys for this issue and he is a little overwhelmed at how slow the process is in evaluating each individual area and preparing for the inevitable conditions ahead.

Besides SLR - Sea Level Rise (which btw seems to be accelerating at a much faster pace than initially thought), there are other consequences to that kind of shifting of waters that effect the earth (such as greater volcanic activity and possible shifting of plates, etc.).
Anyway, it does seem that the coastal regions are among the most vulnerable to these changes, although the maps of sea level rise provided below are not specific enough to localized regional variances to provide a completely accurate portrait.
In other words, the models provide a broad stroke approach. As was seen with the effects of the recent tsunami, some areas of the coast were devastated, while some geological features spared others. With that in mind, here are some attempts to map out the potential results of sea level rise, and info about ongoing studies and attempts to survey regional geological anomolies, preserve coastlines, evacuation plans, etc.

http://yosemite.epa.gov/OAR/globalwarming.nsf/content/ResourceCenterPublicationsSeaLevelRiseIndex.html

Interactive global maps:
http://merkel.zoneo.net/Topo/Applet/
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 10:28 PM
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1. I thought the plan was to let us drown.
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 10:35 PM
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2. Well, certainly that is SOME people's plan, as was evidenced by lack of preparation
Edited on Fri Apr-11-08 10:39 PM by Dover
for or response to Katrina on the Gulf Coast.
I must say, though, that the whole Gulf Coast needs to get real about the effects of sea rise as well.
Should the government support rebuilding there? Not if you take these maps seriously.
But of course this misadministration isn't doing ANYTHING at all, which is in itself a "plan" apparently.
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silverweb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 10:37 PM
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3. It is.
If you're rich enough to be able to prepare a new home in a "safe" area, you'll be fine. If you can't afford to do so, too bad.

There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that that is the plan the corporatocracy has: social Darwinism at its finest, survival of the richest.

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TreasonousBastard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 12:49 AM
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5. Well, around here waterfront adds...
$150-250,000 to the price, and there are still enough people around who can and will pay for it. The waterfront estates going for millions are often the first to go.

So, it's the cheap places you want to move to. Coupla years ago I saw really nice houses south of Scranton, PA for under 50 grand. And you can buy damn near whole towns in Nebraska for the price of dockside here.



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silverweb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 10:18 AM
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7. We'll see how long that lasts.
Once the waterfront people realize that the rising waters are real, that they are not going to go away, and that their waterfront properties are going to become uninhabitable, there may be a bit of a reversal in some of those property values.

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TreasonousBastard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 03:59 PM
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9. The mindset is...
A)- The waters aren't rising.

B)- If the waters do rise, I'll either be dead by then or find a way to bail out.

A lot of these places are second or third homes, so people are taking the financial risk but not worried about being homeless.

Back in Joisey, even in places where there were hundred year floods every 25 years, people kept on buying those riverfront houses. Damned if I know why.

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silverweb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 04:11 PM
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10. I'll never figure people out.
I think part of the key is what you said about many of those places being second or third homes, and the types of people who can afford to take those risks.

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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 10:40 PM
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4. Naw, I moved to high ground 18 years ago.
If I leave this country, I will stick to high ground.
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gtar100 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 02:50 AM
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6. Does the prediction of rising sea levels also include rising levels in the Great Lakes?
Never heard that talked about. What about Chicago and all the other big cities along the coasts of the Great Lakes?
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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 12:56 PM
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8. The Great Lakes sit higher than sea level.
That's why they empty out to the Atlantic.

As the oceans rise, the place where the fresh water flowing out of the Great Lakes meets the sea will simply move up the St. Lawrence Seaway. If the sea rises far enough, each lake in succession will become a saltwater bay, I guess.
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caraher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 11:59 AM
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12. The Great Lakes are hundreds of feet above current sea level
The lowest, Lake Ontario, is something like 240 feet above sea level; I'm not sure that melting every drop of natural ice on Earth would bring sea level up that much. Turning the Great Lakes into salty inland seas - well, we'll have already had much bigger problems well before it gets to that stage!

But this does raise an interesting definitional question - sea level had always been the standard reference for elevation. As oceans rise, will we redefine the "height" of sea level, or will we keep the pre-warming sea level as the standard?
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semillama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 01:59 PM
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14. That's a great point about AMSL - I wonder what the USGS thinks?
AMSL = Above Mean Sea Level.

I suppose they could set that as an arbitrary level based on the sea level on a given date - archaeologists do something similar when using the BP (before present) dating system (where "present" is defined as 1950).
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 04:33 PM
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18. The Great Lakes are actually dropping. Less rain and snow
falling in the Upper Midwest for many years, and it's starting to show. Though my sister says this winter has been the snowiest or second snowiest in Milwaukee history and she got to go cross-country skiing 8 or 10 times.
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fighterdem5 Donating Member (19 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 04:56 PM
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11. I worry about my friends in Florida
FL is specially vulnerable to hurricanes and GW has their coasts at great risk.
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 12:24 PM
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13. I moved inland about 10 years ago.
I use to live on a barrier island but decided I was getting too old to deal with the losses I would have in the event of a hurricane. I'm now living over 50ft above sea level but once the water starts to displace the beach dwellers I'm going to move to even higher ground probably out of state.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 04:35 PM
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19. I have to admit I was relieved when my BILs dad moved from FL back to OH.
He was in Jupiter and sold his place there before the RE collapse.
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The Sushi Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 05:31 PM
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15. Sea Cliff areas will be impacted by the additional pressures
exerted at their base areas. This will increase the risk of collapse. This is especially important here in Hawaii as our volcanic soils are not as firm as mainland rocks. Mega landslides have been found off our coasts that if they occurred have devastating surname effects across the pacific basin.
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tinrobot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-20-08 10:43 PM
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16. Plan on moving.
The sooner, the better because your house on the coast is still worth more than a house inland.
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Sancho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 07:38 AM
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17. I currently live about 2 miles from the beach...
but I'm looking forward to the waterfront property that I can't afford.

Our marine science people here are recording an increasing rate of rising mean water levels, but we're talking an inch a decade and things like that...on the other hand, higher ocean temperatures are seriously increasing the intensity of hurricanes...


:shrug:
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 08:26 AM
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20. A New Report - Abrupt Climate Change
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