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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 12:17 AM
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Orkney Islanders have Siberian relatives
A new study on ancient human migrations suggests that Orcadians and Siberians are closely related, writes Roger Highfield.
# The limits of gene ancestry tests
# Links between humans' ancestors redrawn
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?xml=/earth/2008/05/23/sciorkney123.xml

Orkney Islanders are more closely related to people in Siberia and in Pakistan than those in Africa and the near East, according to a novel method to chart human migrations.
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The surprising findings come from a new way to infer ancient human movements from the variation of DNA in people today, conducted by a team from the University of Oxford and University College Cork, which has pioneered a technique that analyses the entire human genetic makeup, or genome.

Although it provides relative genetic contributions of one group to another, rather than timings, it confirms how the first modern humans came out of Africa 50,000 years ago, mostly from a group in southern Africa called the San.

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Why 50,000 years ago?

Population Bottlenecks and Volcanic Winter
http://jqjacobs.net/anthro/paleo/bottleneck.html

The "Weak Garden of Eden" model for the origin and dispersal of modern humans posits a spread around 100,000 years ago followed by population bottlenecks. Then, around 50,000 years ago, a dramatic growth occurred in genetically isolated, small populations. In a 1998 article, Stanley Ambrose proposed an alternative hypothesis—a volcanic winter scenario—to explain recent human differentiation. The bottleneck was caused by a volcanic winter resulting from the super-eruption of Toba in Sumatra. If Ambrose's hypothesis is correct, modern human variations differentiated abruptly through founder effect, genetic drift, and adaptation to local environments after around 70,000 years ago.

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Bobbieo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 12:25 AM
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1. I love this stuff - but wait a minute -
Aren't there traces of human habitation here on the North American Continent - Turtle Island - at least 50,000 years ago - also in S. America.

Now, I'm gonna have to look up the location of the Orkney Islands.
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Big Blue Marble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 12:46 AM
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2. North of Scotland.
They are wonderful remote and beautiful.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 02:00 AM
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4. There are human remains in Oregon from 14,300 years ago. Coprolites with DNA
and other sites are unproven to general satisfaction.

The Oregon news is recent.
Oldest Native American Evidence Discovered = fossil feces dated at 14,300 years
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=397
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 12:59 AM
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3. siberia to orkneys -- amazing.
what a wonderful revelation. recommend.
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 06:29 PM
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5. Far-fetched at first glance, but not really
Northern Scandinavia is inhabited by the Sami (Lapp) people, who originally came from Siberia. Some of them could have gotten into a boat and drifted away to the Orkneys, which are surprisingly close to Scandinavia. (The Shetlands are even closer, and there are lots of Scandinavian place names up there.)
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 12:53 PM
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6. The Orkneys only became officially Scottish in 1468
The Earldom of Orkney was held for the Norwegian (and later Danish) Crown until 1468, at which time the impoverished Christian I, King of Denmark, Norway and Sweden, gave Orkney to the Scottish Crown as part of a marriage agreement with King James III.

The Scottish king was to marry Christian's daughter, Margaret, and by this agreement Orkney was held as a pledge, redeemable by the payment of 50,000 Rhenish Florins.

At the end of the first year the payment had not been forthcoming so Shetland was pledged for a further 8,000 Florins.

Two years later, Christian had still not made the payment so the Earldom of Orkney and Lordship of Shetland were annexed to the Scottish Crown.

http://www.orkneyjar.com/history/history6.htm
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