Experts say bird flu can't be beaten

Experts say bird flu can't be beaten
Focus moves from eradication to control in Asia

By Ned Colt
Correspondent
NBC News
Updated: 6:36 p.m. ET March 4, 2005


SONG PHI NONG, Thailand - In the heart of Thailand's poultry industry, a deadly virus is stalking healthy flocks of birds. In the past year recurring outbreaks of bird or avian flu have left millions of chickens dead.

And what the virus didn't kill the Thai government did, fearing the virus could decimate the industry.

But the virus isn't just in Thailand. It's in at least eight Asian countries — and not just in chickens, but in ducks, migratory birds, pigs, house cats, tigers and, in rare cases, humans.

Dr. Scott Dowell, from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control, is in Thailand trying to stop the flu from spreading and killing. The U.S. and Thailand are working together to find ways to control this virus that kills seven of every ten people who contract it. Normal influenzas kill about one in 100.

"Certainly this virus now is one of the deadliest viruses that affects humans," says Dowell. "The good news is, it doesn't affect very many."

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/7091155/

My money is on Rummy.

would be Lloyd.

Ann Coulter can be that hoochie girl who seduces Nick, before seducing half of Vegas.

And, you know, a chick? :evilgrin:
Maybe one of the Bush twins ;)

maybe the blonde one. she looks like the type.

but where does that leave ann coulter?

Molly Ringwald's father... ;)

Molly Ringwald's father was a nice man.

Ann Coulter is clearly on the dark side, here.

Nadine might not be a bad fit at all, but if we're going to cast a Nadine, we also have to cast a Harold Lauder. I nominate David Brooks.

The crazy girl they meet in the ghosttown,she yells and laughs alot,and ends up in vegas in the end.

not sure who you mean. Is this in the book or the film?

I'm sticking with Coulter as Nadine... breeder of *'s demon seed.

n/t

California is taking over the world (and a mixture with H5N1 would be a real knock-out)

http://news.google.ca/news?hl=en&ned=ca&ie=UTF-8&q=h3n2+Wellington&btnG=Search+News

This morning's WSJ is citing major cover-up of bird flu cases and deaths in Vietnam

http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&lr=&tab=nn&ie=UTF-8&q=h5n1+thai+binh+cases+deaths

I forgot about Captain Trips.

the bag lady in our city is smarter then junior, so that aint saying much :)

BTW it was spelled Tripps, not Trips in King's novel.

If I had my pick I'd get Tommy Lee Jones for the part.

If people can compare Bush to the anti-Christ I don't
know why I can't compare him to the Walking Dude.

I stole the spelling from somewheres on Google,
so I'm going to blame them. I'm one a large group of
mis-spellers.

Actually, its H5N1 that's walking and talking and infecting health care workers. It's out and about

http://news.google.com/news?q=bird+flu+thai+binh+transmission&hl=en&lr=&sa=N&tab=nn&oi=newsr

Randall Flagg could walk and think at the same time.

This has been discussed elsewhere, so I won't rehash it all, but the bottom line is that if avian flu jumps to human-to-human transmission it has the potential to make the 1918 pandemic look like a walk in the park. Do you know something the rest of us don't?

...CDC from Southeast Asia. Additionally, your links seem to be focused on HIV/AIDS, and we're talking about a completely different bug with the Avian Flu virus.

Homeopathy claptrap.

No surprise that you are caught unawares.

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But we're talking about influenza here.

http://www.nesh.com/main/nejh/samples/winston.html

The following is an extract from an article entitled "Homeopathy In Influenza- A Chorus Of Fifty In Harmony" by W. A. Dewey, MD that appeared in the Journal of the American Institute of Homeopathy in 1920.

Dean W. A. Pearson of Philadelphia collected 26,795 cases of influenza treated by homeopathic physicians with a mortality of 1.05%, while the average old school mortality is 30%.

Thirty physicians in Connecticut responded to my request for data. They reported 6,602 cases with 55 deaths, which is less than 1%. In the transport service I had 81 cases on the way over. All recovered and were landed. Every man received homeopathic treatment. One ship lost 31 on the way. H. A. Roberts, MD, Derby, Connecticut.

In a plant of 8,000 workers we had only one death. The patients were not drugged to death. Gelsemium was practically the only remedy used. We used no aspirin and no vaccines. -Frank Wieland, MD, Chicago.

I'm sure that it was thoroughly peer-reviewed by a collection of non-biased scientists before publishing <sarcasm>. I'm also sure there was no bias on the journal's part when this was published. For example, when I argue about gun control, I don't use the NRA website as a source because I know they're biased. I see this source no differently.

Come on, you'd think that if this was such an incredible cure that it would have been further investigated and used more by physicians. It's been 85 yrs since this ground-breaking study. Where are the peer-reviewed entries in JAMA, or any other mainstream health and medicine journal, from the 40's, 50's, or 60's? If this was the cure you claim it to be, it should be so widespread today that we wouldn't even be having this discussion.

you aren't able to vocalize it yet. You had better start reading up on the paradigm shift that is taking place in medicine... and that is that nutritional status has everything to do with the full blown onset of many many diseases. You are aware of the fact that glyconutrients and micronutrition helps children who suffer from fetal alcohol syndrome to recruit their own stem cells... or at least I hope you have bumped into that info.... if you have, then you will better be able to understand how various micronutrients or the lack thereof play a rather large role in determining whether a person is hit hard by a bug/disease/genetic anomaly or not.

AIDS is being beaten back in Tanzania simply by restoring the body's levels of selenium, Glutathione, CoQ10 and a few others. Hard to believe but true.... do you believe it?


1: Altern Ther Health Med. 2004 Sep-Oct;10(5):10-5, 90-4. Related Articles, Links

Comment in:

* Altern Ther Health Med. 2004 Nov-Dec;10(6):14.


Comment on:

* Altern Ther Health Med. 2004 Sep-Oct;10(5):28-36; quiz 37, 94.

Paradigm shift: the end of "normal science" in medicine understanding function in nutrition, health, and disease.
Hyman M.

Publication Types:

* Comment
* Editorial
* Review
* Review, Tutorial

PMID: 15478781

Where are the peer-reviewed articles in JAMA, New England Journal of Medicine, The Lancet, or any other mainstream scientific journals to support your claims? So far, all you have posted are articles published in journals virtually no one has heard about, with little or no peer review. Your last journal article you posted to bolster your hypothesis about influenza was from the 1920's! Am I to believe that there has been not one scientist who has investigated these claims in over 80 yrs?

Oh look, another claim:

"AIDS is being beaten back in Tanzania simply by restoring the body's levels of selenium, Glutathione, CoQ10 and a few others."

And what do you use to back it up? A reference to a journal titled Alternative Therapeutic Health. Wow, coulda knocked me over with a feather.

Yeah, it has nothing to do with use of condoms or better anti-viral meds, does it?

I did find many references to low selenium levels being tied to mortality rates in HIV-positive women when doing a Google search, but no information on widespread selenium supplement programs. How can you credit selenium supplements with reducing Tanzania's HIV rate, when this study was just published in October of 2004?

AWOKEN to the fact that this is a doable thing. My my how we err when we believe that medicine/drugs are the only route for defending the body against all manner of illness.

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How HIV-1 causes AIDS: implications for prevention and treatment.

Foster HD.
Department of Geography, University of Victoria, PO Box 3050, Victoria BC, Canada V8W 3P5. hfoster@office.geog.uvic.ca

HIV-1 encodes for one of the human glutathione peroxidases. As a consequence, as it is replicated, its genetic needs cause it to deprive HIV-1 seropositive individuals not only of glutathione peroxidase, but also of the four basic components of this selenoenzyme, namely selenium, cysteine, glutamine, and tryptophan. Eventually this depletion process causes severe deficiencies of all these substances.

These, in turn, are responsible for the major symptoms of AIDS which include immune system collapse, greater susceptibility to cancer and myocardial infarction, muscle wasting, depression, diarrhea, psychosis and dementia. As the immune system fails, associated pathogenic cofactors become responsible for a variety of their own unique symptoms.

Any treatment for HIV/AIDS must, therefore, include normalization of body levels of glutathione, glutathione peroxidase, selenium, cysteine, glutamine, and tryptophan. Although various clinical trials have improved the health of AIDS patients by correcting one or more of these nutritional deficiencies, they have not, until the present, been addressed together.

Physicians involved in a selenium and amino-acid field trial in Botswana, however, are reporting that this nutritional protocol reverses AIDS in 99% of patients receiving it, usually within three weeks.

Publication Types:

* Review
* Review, Tutorial


PMID: 15050105

http://www.aids.org/atn/a-352-02.html
NAC and Glutathione: Recent Publications


by John S. James
Published: October 6, 2000
We were surprised to learn how much work has been published recently on glutathione blood level, oxidative stress, and/or NAC or similar treatments to correct abnormally low glutathione, in various illnesses including HIV infection. Here are some of the papers that have been published in 1998, 1999, and 2000, listed alphabetically by first author. Quotes are from the authors' abstracts; comments in brackets are ours.

We collected these references so that researchers and physicians can quickly see how much new information exists. NAC should no longer be relegated only to "alternative" treatments, but deserves serious research as a possible addition to mainstream HIV therapy.

Clinical papers: http://www.aids.org/atn/a-352-02.html



http://www.aids.org/atn/a-266-01.html

Stanford NAC Study: Glutathione Level Predicts Survival


by John S. James
Published: March 7, 1997
A small randomized controlled trial of oral N-acetylcysteine(NAC) -- organized primarily by Drs. Leonard and Leonore Herzenberg, both Ph.D., at Stanford University, and designed by them and Greg Dubs, Ph.D., who conducted the trial -- was run in San Francisco in 1993 and 1994. A report from this study was published this week in the PROCEEDINGS OF THE NATIONAL ACADEMY OF SCIENCES, USA(1); it was also presented at a major immunology conference in San Francisco on February 22, receiving television and newspaper coverage. The basic findings were:

(1) For persons with a CD4 count under 200, an abnormally low level of glutathione -- inside CD4 T-cells in the blood --was remarkably predictive of poor survival. (Glutathione is the major defense of those cells against oxidative stress.) Persons with a CD4 count under 200, who also had very low glutathione levels, had an estimated three-year survival a slow as 20 percent -- compared to 60 to 80 percent survival for those with CD4 below 200 but with adequate glutathione levels. (Survival results were presented for those with CD4 counts under 200, since in the three years after the blood measurement, there were not enough deaths to analyze in those with counts above 200. However, the survival difference was also statistically significant when everyone was included regardless of CD4 count.)


http://yarchive.net/med/glutathione.html

From: sbharris@ix.netcom.com(Steven B. Harris)
Subject: Re: GSH Deficiency!!
Date: 16 Mar 1997
Newsgroups: misc.health.aids

In <332B915E.6E8B@mail.ids.net> Kevin <solid@mail.ids.net> writes:

>Latest findings indicate that Glutathione (a tripeptide amino acid
>composed of glycine, cysteine, and glutamic acid) deficiencies, are a
>good marker of AIDS disease progression. Not surprisingly, Glutathione
>deficiencies are common in people who consume alcohol, tobacco and
>certain drugs.


The "certain drugs," are mostly things that contain Tylenol-- not
exactly known or suspected of causing AIDS. Otherwise your grandma
would have it. You're being guilty of Duesbergian vagueness here.

For the record, glutathione deficiency is a marker for nearly any
condition of poor nutrition, poor health, and chronic inflammation.
It's pretty nonspecific, and doesn't mean a lot. It's sort of like
having pale skin and ratty looking hair.

Steve Harris, M.D.

I know that the human immune system when fueled up with substances that maintain bodily levels of glutathione, coenzyme q10, selenium and others can kick the crap out of most virus. That's all I know.

http://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/selenium.asp#h5
Selenium and HIV
HIV/AIDS malabsorption can deplete levels of many nutrients, including selenium. Selenium deficiency is associated with decreased immune cell counts, increased disease progression, and high risk of death in the HIV/AIDS population (55,56). HIV/AIDS gradually destroys the immune system, and oxidative stress may contribute to further damage of immune cells. Antioxidant nutrients such as selenium help protect cells from oxidative stress, thus potentially slowing progression of the disease (57). Selenium also may be needed for the replication of the HIV virus, which could further deplete levels of selenium (58).


http://www.aegis.org/news/bw/2004/BW040402.html
Naturally Vitamins: Immune-Boosters and Magic Johnson a Slam Dunk for the Health Food Industry?

Business Wire - April 2, 2004
PHOENIX -- Immune support, one of the fastest growing areas for dietary supplements in the United States and abroad, continues to intrigue consumers interested in protecting themselves against cellular damage and supporting their body's natural immunity. Now a new awareness campaign featuring Magic Johnson promises to raise interest to new heights. But awareness campaigns can make points or lose points, depending on whether or not they're credible. So industry insiders are hoping Johnson is able to bring clarity to the subject, rather than confusion, over his dual identity as immune-booster spokesperson and as a long-time survivor of HIV infection. Starting in April, the former basketball star is scheduled to appear in ads for a product, which contains Arabinogalactan as the active ingredient for immune support, in national health and fitness magazines.


This is taken from a Congressional Testimony of about two years ago, regarding the value of sugar based supplements vs bioterrorism, including bacteria, virus, anthrax, etc. If you would like to read the whole thing.. I will email it, it is very very positive, speaks on homeopathy, probiotics, glyconutrients, etc. I don't see why this virus would be any different from any one of the several dozen that have already been done in by the body's innate defense mechanisms when supported properly.

CHAIRMAN BURTON: Thank you, Dr. Jonas. Dr. McDaniel?
DR. REG MCDANIEL: Mr. Chairman, and members of the House Committee on Government
Reform, it?s a privilege to be asked to appear before this panel of members of the House and invited to
testify with the professionals and scientists chosen to address the problems of bioterrorism.
If it were not for the passage of the Dietary Supplement Health and Education Act of 1994, otherwise
knows as DSHEA, my comments and written information given to you would not exists. I, as a
physician, who I might say was initially quite skeptical, now commend the Congress for its unanimous
vote to pass this legislation.
Text
My comments and written submission are focused on the impact of glyconutrients, dietary sugars, not
herbs or oriental preparations, held within the human body that support and enhance natural defense
mechanisms against infectious disease.
They also are taken in support or standard therapy. Slide one that's included in the packet and
identifies 30 scientists and 11 institutions in the United States that are performing experiments on our
dietary ingredients and reported their results for peer review.
Slide two identified researchers outside the United States that have contributed to the development of
clinical applications of glyco nutrition. Over 200 scientific presentations have been made by these
scientists on the glyco science of these micronutrients.
When research was initiated in the early 80?s it was a scientific heresy to represent that sugars have
significant biological roles to play in the biochemistry of life processes. It had been incorrectly accepted
that glyco nutrients, known as dietary sugars, monosaccharides, carbohydrates, were simply burned for
energy to support life.
Slide three is a collection of journals that validate the very major role sugars play in the structure and
especially the function of the human body. Glycobiology and glyconutrition are now recognized as
cutting edge technology. Dietary sugars are critical components in the molecular structure of
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compounds synthesized in cells that conduct the complex and marvelous processes we call life. And
this includes protection and defense against infectious agents.
Multiple bacteria and viruses have been shown to be killed or inactivated in cell cultures in animals by
glyconutrients. This was done because humans claimed benefit from this before we did the laboratory
examinations. With our limited funds we?ve shown five viruses, pathologic yeast, gram positive and
gram-negative bacteria have been activated by a formulation. Independently, Lanced in 1996
contains a review article citing similar saccharides induce action against 37 infectious agents classified as
pathologic bacteria, viruses, fungi and protozoon?s.
Evidence is expanding that supplying concentrated micronutrients of which glyconutrients are a major
category, will support relief for chronic and acute diseases in a manner unmatched for a lack of toxicity
unparallel low cost. This is accomplished by nutritional support of intercellular molecular synthesis under
the control of the genetic code that, much like a computer program, contains the instructions for the
biochemistry of life; this is normal structure and function. Such instructions enable appropriate
recognition and response to invading microorganisms. How is this possible with non-toxic dietary
supplements?
There?s a common belief promulgated by authorities in medicine and nutrition that all one needs for
good health and healing is a good general diet with variety. This statement may be correct for those
who are healthy. We have found that it is not sufficient for those with chronic and recurrent diseases,
especially infections. In instances of unusual, epidemic and virulent infectious agent exposure,
glyconutrient supplementation has been found effective for enhancing general immune function and
defense.
When supplied at a higher level and available in nature, sugars needed for cellular synthesis can take in
eight defense mechanisms to a much higher level that are effective against infectious agents. The
biochemical principals responsible for this phenomenon and mechanisms action are in your written
material. Body defense, such as the mechanisms that act naturally when we recovery from a common
cold or influenza can now be unregulated to destroy virulent organisms associated with more virulent
disease.
Such benefit, again, is the result of increased synthesis of cell-to-cell communication molecules that act
like tiny IBM cards sent between cells to provide instructions for destroying bacteria, viruses and other
infectious organisms. Increasing the levels of glyconutrients in the diet increasing the synthesis of these
anti-infection molecules. The bar graph provided is evidence of the functional anti-viral activity
described. It is an example of the increase and general defense against infectious organisms that results
when glyconutrients are progressively added to the diet.
There?s a current concern for not only preventing and destroying Anthrax bacteria, but neutralizing
toxins that attack wholesale membranes. Physicians have reported apparent neutralization of bacterial
toxins produced by various species of bacteria and full recovery of patients near death. In addition,
there have been a few reports in major trauma and post-surgical infections complicated with multra-drug
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resistant organisms that dietary glyconutrients rendered the patient?s AC brow (sp) within hours of use
in chart and hospital expected stay.

if avian flu does jump the species barrier. Not meaning to be disrespectful, but drinking the koolaid is not my idea of good nutrition or medicine.

You do greatly underestimate the strength of your own defenses.

While I realize this is not an example of a "non-vaccinated" subject beating avian flu virus, I still don't doubt it can be done.

http://aloevera.com/rel_10_19_04.htm

Carrington’s Nasal Technology for flu Vaccines to
Complete Human Safety Trials Early Next Year


Interview In The Wall Street Transcript Details Moves To Transform
Solid Base Into Faster Growing, Higher Margin Business


IRVING, TX OCT 19 – Carrington Laboratories, Inc. (Nasdaq: CARN) said it expects to complete Phase I human safety trials for its nasal powder, preservative free vaccine delivery technology by March 2005.
The needle-less technology is expected to provide an alternative to injections for vaccines such as the annual injectable flu shots and provide a much faster way to implement mass immunizations in the event of pandemic outbreaks.

In an interview in The Wall Street Transcript, Carrington Chief Executive Office Carlton E. Turner, PhD, said “Our Phase I safety trial in humans with (our technology) for nasal administration will be initiated and finished by the end of the first quarter of next year. At that time we can start serious talks about product development relationships with companies interested in nasal delivery of vaccines…”

Unlike the currently marketed nasal mist flu vaccine which is not cleared for those under 6 or over 50 years of age, Carrington’s technology would overcome this negative, eliminate cold chain distribution problems and can be self administered. The platform can deliver the normal form of killed flu virus which is the basis of current injectable flu shots.


Your immune system is where it is at, and you can bump it up if you know what to do... it's not that difficult.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=11591118
1: Cell Immunol. 2001 Aug 1;211(2):143-53. Related Articles, Links

Heterosubtypic immunity against human influenza A viruses, including recently emerged avian H5 and H9 viruses, induced by FLU-ISCOM vaccine in mice requires both cytotoxic T-lymphocyte and macrophage function.

Sambhara S, Kurichh A, Miranda R, Tumpey T, Rowe T, Renshaw M, Arpino R, Tamane A, Kandil A, James O, Underdown B, Klein M, Katz J, Burt D.

Aventis Pasteur Canada Ltd., 1755 Steeles Avenue West, Toronto, Ontario, M2R 3T4, Canada.




And an FYI...

1: Med Mal Infect. 2004 Nov;34(11):499-505. Related Articles, Links
Emergence of new viruses in Asia: is climate change involved?

Article in French

Chastel C.

Laboratoire de virologie, faculte de medecine, 29200 Brest, France. chastelc@aol.com

Tropical Africa is not the only area where deadly viruses have recently emerged. In South-East Asia severe epidemics of dengue hemorrhagic fever started in 1954 and flu pandemics have originated from China such as the Asian flu (H2N2) in 1957, the Hong-Kong flu (H3N2) in 1968, and the Russian flu (H1N1) in 1977. However, it is especially during the last ten years that very dangerous viruses for mankind have repeatedly developed in Asia, with the occurrence of Alkhurma hemorrhagic fever in Saudi Arabia (1995), avian flu (H5N1) in Hong-Kong (1997), Nipah virus encephalitis in Malaysia (1998,) and, above all, the SARS pandemic fever from Southern China (2002). The evolution of these viral diseases was probably not directly affected by climate change. In fact, their emergential success may be better explained by the development of large industry poultry flocks increasing the risks of epizootics, dietary habits, economic and demographic constraints, and negligence in the surveillance and reporting of the first cases.

PMID: 15620053

...the species barrier and has developed a human to human infection capability in Vietnam.

This is NOT your run of the mill virus...this thing has a lethality rate of 70%. Very few diseases in the past can even boast a 50% lethality rate...SARS was at roughly 9%, and Ebola has been at 50%. The 1918 Flu Pandemic may have reached 5% mortality, but most studies indicate that 1918's lethality was at about 2-3%. By the way, the 1918 Flu was also avian based.

One more comment...vaccines are only effective against CURRENT forms of virus. Who knows what form the Avian Flu will be in once it starts to really take off?

http://www.biopolymer.com/infectious-disease.htm

Infectious Diseases

The awareness of the risk of infectious disease is growing with the rise in new pandemic infections, such as Avian flu, SARS and West Nile and the threat of mass epidemics from bioterrorism. Antibiotic-resistant bacteria have become a major concern of the medical community as existing antibiotics become less effective.

Numerous preclinical and clinical studies support the utility of Biopolymer Engineering’s compounds to protect against a wide range of infectious diseases caused by Gram-positive and Gram-negative bacteria, viruses and other pathogens. Perhaps more importantly, the company’s compounds dramatically enhance the effectiveness of antibiotics, even against antibiotic-resistant infections.





Naturopathic Approach
Prevention Strategies

* Regular, rigorous hand washing with greater than 50 C water with soap and/or detergent is recommended to decrease the likelihood of infection and prevent the spread of the virus
* The best way to ensure that the avian flu does not cause signs and symptoms in humans is to ensure an optimal innate immune system and robust terrain.
o Minimize sugar and saturated fat intake
o Consume healthy protein with every meal (nuts, seeds, legumes, fish)
o Address lifestyle stressors and have optimal sleep and rest
o Ensure a minimum of 8 glasses of water a day
o A daily routine that includes dry skin brushing, contrast showers o Exercise a minimum of 3 times a week for at least 30 minutes
o Work with your naturopathic doctors to determine what individual recommendations are required.
* Heat whole poultry to at least 85 C for 30 minutes before eating
* Heat eggs and other poultry products to at least 75 C
* Avoid high risk areas

Treatment Strategies

* There are a number of highly effective naturopathic treatments to eliminate the signs and symptoms of the Avian flu virus.
* If you have any of the symptoms of the avian flu and you have been in contact with birds, contact your naturopathic or medical doctor immediately
* As part of the treatment, your naturopathic doctor may recommend . . .
o Botanical or homeopathic therapies to fight the infection.
o Specific supplements, based on individual signs and symptoms, to increase the body’s ability to fight the infection and to restore balance to the body.
o Strict dietary changes to support immune function, maximize nutrients and increase the effective role of the digestive tract in immunity.
o Blood work, chest x-ray or other laboratory tests to help identify the cause of the signs and symptoms.
o Isolation of infected people with mandatory personal protective equipment including a high efficiency mask (N-95), gloves and gown but their health care providers.

...sideshow-carnival-barker style of posting.

You don't need boosting. So many macrophages and white cells attack the infection in the lungs that they cause consolidation that suffocates you. That's why the disease is actually worse in young adults with healthy immune systems - and especially pregnant women.

Similar phenom in the Great Influenza of 1918. Mortality among young adults much higher than elderly and children.

http://www.thenutritionreporter.com/NAC-flu_and_cold_remedy.html

Are you ready for the flu and cold season?

It turns out that a little known dietary supplement may be your best defense against symptoms of the flu and common cold. The supplement, N-acetylcysteine (NAC), is a form of the amino acid cysteine and a component of protein. It's also one of the most potent immune boosters around.

Never heard of it? Virtually every hospital emergency room in the country stocks it as an antidote for acetaminophen (Tylenol®) poisoning. Overdoses of acetaminophen, a common analgesic drug, deplete your liver's supply of glutathione, a powerful antioxidant, leading to liver failure. Large supplemental doses of NAC restore liver glutathione levels and help the organ break down acetaminophen.

NAC has also been used since the 1960s as a "mucolytic" agent-that is, to break down lung-clogging mucous in chronic bronchitis and other respiratory disorders. Rich in what chemists call "free sulfhydryl groups," NAC breaks down the disfulfide bonds of mucous-in essence, thinning it out.

NAC Reduces Flu Symptoms

NAC has several key functions in the body. It is a precursor to glutathone, the principal antioxidant made in the body, meaning that NAC raises glutathione levels. Like other sulfur-containing nutrients, NAC is a powerful antioxidant. It also helps the liver break down hazardous compounds-that is, after all, part of the liver's job.

Unlike pure cysteine, which can be neurotoxic in high doses, NAC is completely safe. The "acetyl" part of the name comes from the fact that its cysteine is acetylated. That means it is bonded to a molecules called an "acetyl group." similar to the molecules that make up acetic acid, or vinegar. Acetylatation increases absorption, stability, and safety.

Big red flag to signal start of pandemic - health care worker infected by patient

http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&lr=&tab=nn&ie=UTF-8&q=bird+flu+thai+binh+&btnG=Search+News

Anthony Fauci was on NPR and discussed H5N1 evolution toward efficient human to human transmission via recombination

http://news.google.com/news?q=WSN%2F33%20bird%20flu&hl=en&lr=&sa=N&tab=wn

Pray to Jesus all you want but when you get no answer, remember I told you so!

This is why I try NEVER watch or listen to anything they have to say- and even I slip up, I make certain to ALWAYS confirm with credible sources and fact check, before passing anything along. Otherwise, you end up being misinformed.

From what I can discern, by "beaten" what this "correspondent" Ned Colt is trying to say is that is that either that:

1. Influenza viri reassort and recombine, meaning that you constantly have to develop new vaccines (based on educated guesses as to what next years antigens will look like). Well, duh. H5N1 isn't any different than any other influenza variant in that respect.

2. That the reservoir of disease (in this case birds) is so widespread that culling poultry stocks or killing waterfowl won't eliminate it. Another duh. That was probably not a realistic option even when the strain first crossed the species barrier in 1997.

Unlike NBC's puppetmasters at the Bush administration- other nations are in fact preparing rational contingency plans to "beat" H5N1, or at least protect as many of their citizens as they can. But will NBC ever report on that? Will they ever honestly compare and contrast public health policies? Unlikely.

If anyone is interested in what a rational plan looks like, here's the

UK Health Departments’ Influenza pandemic contingency plan

other nations are in fact preparing rational contingency plans to "beat" H5N1<<

In today's world, the best offense against is a strong defense.

See above post regarding a "clue".

protiens or any other complimentary or alternative medicine- although they certainly won't hurt. BUT realistically, you're hardly going to make a dent in the cause specific mortality rates.

The above poster has actually been right on the money with his takes over the past several weeks.

As it currently stands, the US public health system will be overwhelmed- and we're apt to lose BADLY.

You can "beat" the worst of it and protect as many citizens as possible by having a system in place where you can distribute tamiflu (Oseltamivir phosphate) to individuals WITHIN 48 HOURS of the onset of symptoms.

That's what the UK is trying to do... however, even if the US put up a massive effort, we lack the infrastruct and the logistics to do what the UK is doing. Other countries are even worse off than the US is.

In that sense, if this thing becomes contagious, it is indeed 'unbeatable.' The variant will just have to run its course... probably in several waves....

with lowered levels of glutathione and other antioxidants that protect the body and support a strong immune response fall much more readily than those who do not.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=1285229&mesg_id=1286457&page=

Protein Helps Immune System Mount 'Instant Strike' Against Deadly Flu Viruses

>>Everyone wants to be protected from the flu2-20-2004 Researchers at the University of Rochester have identified a protein in the immune system that appears to play a crucial role in protecting against deadly forms of influenza, and may be particularly important in protecting against emerging flu viruses like the avian flu. The researchers believe that a vaccine made with a live but weakened strain of flu virus – such as the inhaled flu vaccine introduced last year – may activate this part of the immune system and offer the best defense against avian flu.<<

>>In a series of experiments, mice whose T cells were able to make the protein were able to develop peripheral immunity, and 90 percent of them survived after being infected with a potentially deadly strain of flu. Mice with T-cells engineered to lack the protein failed to develop peripheral immunity, and only 60 percent of them survived after being infected with the same flu virus.

The findings demonstrate that when confronted by a potentially deadly flu strain, an effective first strike by T cells in the lungs can mean the difference between life and death. To immunologist David Topham, Ph.D., assistant professor of Microbiology and Immunology at the University of Rochester and lead author of the study, the findings reveal something else: a shortcoming in the world's most widely administered flu vaccines. Those vaccines, made with fragments of "killed" viruses, help the immune system make antibodies against the flu virus but do not induce peripheral immunity.<<

More good news: -----> http://www.upwardquest.com/immune-system-booster/09-inf...

...the human body?

by John M Barry is well worth reading. Influenza is one scary virus it can change very easily--recombinant rna -- and that is why it is so hard to make a vaccine that can consistently immunize against it.

Most of the time the changes are minor so the body's t'cells can still recognize and provide some protection but sometimes the change is so radical the body cannot recognize the new virus.

What surprises me is the fact that cats are getting this. Is this new? I know pigs, birds, humans. Never heard of cats getting flu.

http://www.translational-medicine.com/content/2/1/3

http://www.penguinputnam.com/nf/Book/BookDisplay/0,,0_0143034480,00.html


As for me I think I will start looking at using the vitamins per above posts to see if they can help. They probably won't hurt.

(edit typo's)

hurt....

For further reading on supporting a strong immune response...

http://www.lef.org/protocols/prtcl-062.shtml
# Molecular Immunology
# Harmful Role Of Free Radicals
# Nutritional Immunology
# Vitamins
# Trace Elements
# Probiotics
# Fats
# Other Factors
# Supplements
# Thyroid-Stimulating Hormone
# Thymic Immune Factors
# Exercise
# Immunity, Stress, And Emotions
# Summary

:shrug:..

bad news for kitties..Cats in Asia have a hard enough time, since the idea of animals for pets is not as widespread there. I fear for the little furries:cry:

Great book. Actually lots of parallels to today - a few scientists fighting a nation of superstitious religions zealots. Took the disaster to get people off the dime. Foundation of Johns Hopkins, Walter Reed, Rockefeller Institute, etc.

But remember - it was the hyperimmune response that killed the young adults most quickly. And it was the fear that killed so many others - not from the disease, but from dehydration. People were afraid to enter homes to help people who were incapacitated by the flu.

Americans uninformed on this?

....much less about a disease that may be getting ready to make the jump from being somewhat infectious to humans to becoming VERY infectious. Then Americans might start demanding answers to questions such as why Americans are dying in the US in large numbers because money was shifted away from treating/preventing disease to supporting the wars in the Middle East.

influenza virus is very mutatable and that is why it is so dangerous and vaccines hard to develop. the virus is constantly mutating. most times the variations are small and vaccines provide some protection. Sometimes the change is totally radical. That's where the danger of the pandemic comes in. In the great pandemic of 1918 it was the young and healthy who died in greater numbers than the elderly. The virus had changed so much that the bodies of the young had no resistance to it. The elderly who had had much more exposure to prior epidemics had somewhat greater protection.

Think of virus as a block with colors red/green and blue/orange. you get virus and had flu before. body recognizes the colors and can fight this flu. now next step the colors change slightly to red/white and blue/orange. you get this flu. even with this change the body can figure out the blue/orange and offer some protection.

but if the virus changes radically to red/purple and black/white then you get into more serious problems as it is harder for body to recognize and fight the virus.

Influenza is one of the most mutatable of all viruses and that is why it is dangerous.

As I was saying, your own immune system is superior to fragmented virus particle vaccines. Here is the evidence of that PROVEN FACT. The sugars that were discussed in the Congressional Testimony help to build these "proteins". I'm not particularly sure, but the author may have meant to say "Glycoproteins".




Protein Helps Immune System Mount 'Instant Strike' Against Deadly Flu Viruses

>>Everyone wants to be protected from the flu2-20-2004 Researchers at the University of Rochester have identified a protein in the immune system that appears to play a crucial role in protecting against deadly forms of influenza, and may be particularly important in protecting against emerging flu viruses like the avian flu. The researchers believe that a vaccine made with a live but weakened strain of flu virus – such as the inhaled flu vaccine introduced last year – may activate this part of the immune system and offer the best defense against avian flu.<<

>>In a series of experiments, mice whose T cells were able to make the protein were able to develop peripheral immunity, and 90 percent of them survived after being infected with a potentially deadly strain of flu. Mice with T-cells engineered to lack the protein failed to develop peripheral immunity, and only 60 percent of them survived after being infected with the same flu virus.

The findings demonstrate that when confronted by a potentially deadly flu strain, an effective first strike by T cells in the lungs can mean the difference between life and death. To immunologist David Topham, Ph.D., assistant professor of Microbiology and Immunology at the University of Rochester and lead author of the study, the findings reveal something else: a shortcoming in the world's most widely administered flu vaccines. Those vaccines, made with fragments of "killed" viruses, help the immune system make antibodies against the flu virus but do not induce peripheral immunity.<<

More good news: -----> http://www.upwardquest.com/immune-system-booster/09-influenza-protection.html

...and thanks to all those wise and public spirited socialists of a bygone era who established the NHS against the vehement opposition of the medical establishment and the Tories.
Sane public health policies and procedures are the bedrock of any chance of protection.

1. The virus had a high mortality rate (above 70%). Viruses can't be treated with antibiotics (as plague could be, for instance). Vaccines are dicey, even if we developed one.

2. Smuggled chicken has recently been found in the U.S. http://msnbc.msn.com/id/7089156/

3. According to WHO, this flu could become much more transmissible if it infected someone who was simultaneously infected with human influenza, and the virus picked up human influenza genes. See the WHO report:

http://www.who.int/csr/disease/avian_influenza/en

We have had a late flu season with many people unvaccinated or vaccinated late.

It especially concerns me that an alarm has not been raised more loudly, warning about imported chicken, for instance. It's great that the media reported it, but the public really needs to understand how serious this could be.

Edit: Corrected mortality rate.

http://www.vaccinetruth.org/influenza_virus_vaccine.htm
A "shot" of antioxidant
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If you pick up a flu virus, you won't necessarily come down with the flu. Whether or not you become ill will depend on how well your immune system deals with the virus. So you might say that a virus doesn't give you the flu - an immune system that doesn't defeat the virus is what gives you the flu. The key is immunity.

In 1999 HSI sent out a Members Alert titled "Super-immunity Against Mutating Flu Bugs." In that Alert we told you about N-acetylcysteine (NAC) - an amino acid that naturally stimulates your body to produce glutathione, a powerful antioxidant enzyme. Previous studies have shown that patients with ailments associated with a breakdown in the immune system are often deficient in their levels of glutathione.

NAC has been used for many years to treat chronic respiratory ailments with its ability to break up and dissolve the mucus that contributes to pneumonia, bronchitis, asthma and sinusitis. And just a few years ago, an Italian study found that supplementation with N-acetylcysteine (NAC) significantly increased immunity to flu infection. Over a six-month trial, only 29% of those taking NAC developed symptoms of the flu, vs. 51% of those taking a placebo. Of the 262 people taking part in this study, three-quarters were over the age of 65.

As I told you in an e-Alert earlier this month ("Storm of the Eye" 10/9/02), 300 mg of NAC per day is probably both effective and safe for most people. But it's always a good idea to consult a trusted health care provider before beginning any new supplement regimen.

http://search.lef.org/src-cgi-bin/MsmFind.exe?QUERY_ENCODING=UTF-8&CFGNAME=MssFind.cfg&ALLCATS=X&NO_DL=X&CAT_KEY=&AGE_WGT=0&QUERY=flu

I'm very lucky in that I've never had a flu shot and never been infected. At some point, I'm going to have to think about them, though.

supplement or that supplement preventing or helping treat affliction x,y, or z people immediately think that said person is high or something.

What we are discussing here is SUGAR BASED IMMUNOSTIMULATION. This goes beyond minerals, vitamins, herbs, essential fats, amino acids and the like.

The glyconutrient blends that are out there are capable of helping the liver produce its own natural antioxidant that it protects itself with, Glutathione.

I suggest you read up on N-Acetylcysteine, Glutathione, My Defense (tm), and just glyconutrients in general.

The real deal is, that as we age, and as we are put on this medicine or that medicine to prevent this or that imbalance, we become more susceptible to (for example) Coenzyme Q10, vital for a good cholesterol profile, heart function, and liver function. Statin drugs greatly diminish the liver's ability to produce Coenzyme Q10. Sad think is, Merck had a patent to add C0Q10 to statin drugs 20 or so years ago and never acted on it. Shame on them. In fact, several of our key biochemical molecules may fall off upon aging... I suggest reading up on hormonal issues at www.lef.org

http://search.lef.org/src-cgi-bin/MsmFind.exe?QUERY_ENCODING=UTF-8&CFGNAME=MssFind.cfg&ALLCATS=X&NO_DL=X&CAT_KEY=&AGE_WGT=0&QUERY=male%20hormones
Male Hormone Modulation Therapy
Updated: 06/03/2003

* Aging
* Free Testosterone
* Testosterone Doctor
* Obesity And Hormone Imbalance
* Factors Causing Hormone Imbalance
* Correcting The Imbalance
* Therapies
* Studies Using Nutrients
* Caveats
* Corroborating Studies
* Published Studies
* Summary


Here is an example of what I mean about the statins, regardless of the fact that they do have proven anti-inflammatory properties. I'll get my anti-inflammatory properties from momma nature.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=14695927
1: Biofactors. 2003;18(1-4):125-7. Related Articles, Links

Statin cardiomyopathy? A potential role for Co-Enzyme Q10 therapy for statin-induced changes in diastolic LV performance: description of a clinical protocol.
Silver MA, Langsjoen PH, Szabo S, Patil H, Zelinger A.

Heart Failure Institute, Division of Cardiology, Department of Medicine, Advocate Christ Medical Center and the University of Illinois/Christ Cardiovascular Disease Fellowship Program, Oak Lawn, IL 60453, USA. Marc.Silver@Advocatehealth.com

in a new pandemic.

.....Migratory birds cross over from Asia to the pacific flyway every year.

Pintail ducks banded in Japan have shown up in Western Oregon, Washington, and California.

SARS.... dud

FLU Season... dud

etc.

and IMO, they don't do enough public health coverage.

or was it?

http://www.simplynaturalproducts.com/


“I have been using your Aloe drink (Simply Aloe) now for about six months and I have found it to be a great help in avoiding the flu which I get like clockwork every year. It definitely builds up resistance. Thank you.” ~ C.D.

No, that wasn't me. I didn't even know that people drank aloe.

read like there is no tomorrow!!!! Here is the exact page... enjoy.

http://www.simplynaturalproducts.com/?showLib&aloe

?

companies listed in my sig. Get real...pulleeeeeze.

...posted a lot of stuff on DU trying to drive a lot of people to his or her website. Those other people made commissions off whatever was sold through their website...why wouldn't that work the same way for you?

To be honest, your posts look just like a snake-oil salesman trying to drum up business.

Real serious, real deadly, and coming to a theatre near you
real soon.

...eventually took the extreme measures of quarantining entire city blocks in Beijing and other cities across China. Of course, this was after the fact that they delayed telling WHO about the situation until long after it was out-of-control.

Tell it also to Hong Kong, who also took measures to evacuate and quarantine several large groups in containment camps out in the countryside.

And finally, tell it to the 9-10% of the people who died after being infected. Tell it to the some of the survivors who suffered permanent damage to their lungs and other organs.

"Flu season...dud"???

Maybe you ought to look at the the website linked below and compare the current chart with the charts from the five previous years at this point in time. Maybe you'll notice that the flu appears to be winding down in each of the previous years, but appears to be much more active this year:

CDC
Flu Activity
Reports & Surveillance Methods in the United States
<http://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/fluactivity.htm>

There wasn't enough to go around. People in the category 50 to 64 years old, who in previous years were told to get vaccinated, were specifically told not to get vaccinated this year.

By the time it was decided there was enough vaccine so that others could get vaccinated, we were well into flu season, and the availability was poorly advertised.

I'm not surprised that we had more cases of flu this year.

...manufactured for this flu season. Who made that idiotic decision? What were they thinking? Of course we have more flu than normal...but that was my point, wasn't it?

And then when the other doses arrived, a portion of those vaccinated became very ill, scaring off quite a few people who probably should have had the vaccine. The protion that became ill was a much larger portion than the average percentage of people that get il every year from the flu vaccine.

And finally, there is NO vaccine currently available to treat whatever version of the Avian Flu that breaks out and begins to infect a large portion of the population. Additionally, once the correct version of the Avian Flu is identified there is not enough time available to develop the necessary vaccine from that version and then get it into mass production.

They certainly won't get it right with the avian flu.

After all, public health would be socialist, wouldn't it?

Flu has already mutated away from the vaccines.

:crazy:

This is different from SARS.

It's just a matter of time before there's a worldwide avian flu epidemic.

The question is: does this USA government care enough to make sure there's enough vaccine to go around?

Looking at their record of not regulating pharmaceutical companies and not committing tax money to prophylactics OF ANY SORT, I'd say no.

Sue

don't read a little deeper.

``The reason concerning why this nurse contracted the virus has not yet been determined,'' said Diu. ``But according to the preliminary investigation, he has a girlfriend in a village where bird-flu is present, and he went to her house and had meals there during Tet,'' the Vietnamese New Year that was celebrated last month.

No other personnel at the center have shown any bird-flu symptoms, said Bich.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000087&sid=aZsKheRy5A6c&refer=top_world_news

Ah, can't report on Iraq and no good Micheal Jackson developments let hype the FLU story.

Sounds like the reporter did an okay job and editors are trying go off the deep end with it regardless of the fact

thought asian food was healthy?

Gotta use that green stuff.... it kills on contact, and tastes good too.... I have had these dried wasabi peas.... almost too hot to handle.....


Research is being conducted in Japan to determine wasabi's ability to help prevent tooth decay. According to a recent article in The New York Times, Dr. Hideki Masuda, a research director of Ogawa and Company of Japan, is exploring the idea that wasabi kills bacteria in food; therefore, it has the potential to kill bacteria in the mouth. It's a stretch to say it will reduce cavities - although wasabi toothpaste was mentioned - but watch the advancements. In the future, a spoonful of wasabi a day could keep the dentist away.

http://www.moscowfood.coop/archive/wasabi.html
Moscow Food Co-op Recipes
Wasabi

by Jackie Miyasaka, from the August 2003 newsletter

The pungent rhizome known as wasabi japonica is a popular condiment traditionally served in Japanese cuisine. Although it is similar to horseradish in taste and often translated as “Japanese horseradish,” the two are unrelated.

The Japanese have long believed that fresh wasabi helps prevent food-borne illnesses because of its antiseptic properties. Japanese literature refers to wasabi growing wild and being used for survival by warriors as a seasoning for raw fish and venison as early as the 8th century. In fact, scientists today have discovered that fresh wasabi contains certain chemicals that are antimicrobial. Wasabi is reported to kill not only many bacteria associated with fish but also some forms of E-coli and Staphylococcus.

that has lost most of its hair... :)



1: Acta Derm Venereol. 1998 Nov;78(6):428-32. Related Articles, Links

Proanthocyanidins from grape seeds promote proliferation of mouse hair follicle cells in vitro and convert hair cycle in vivo.

Takahashi T, Kamiya T, Yokoo Y.

Tsukuba Research Laboratories, Kyowa Hakko Kogyo Co., Ibaraki, Japan.

For the purpose of discovering natural products which possess hair growing activity, we examined about 1000 kinds of plant extracts concerning growth-promoting activity with respect to hair follicle cells. After an extensive search, we discovered that proanthocyanidins extracted from grape seeds promote proliferation of hair follicle cells isolated from mice by about 230% relative to controls (100%); and that proanthocyanidins possess remarkable hair-cycle-converting activity from the telogen phase to the anagen phase in C3H mice in vivo test systems. The profile of the active fraction of the proanthocyanidins was elucidated by thiolytic degradation and tannase hydrolysis. We found that the constitutive monomers were epicatechin and catechin; and that the degree of polymerization was 3.5. We demonstrated the possibility of using the proanthocyanidins extracted from grape seeds as agents inducing hair growth.
PMID: 9833041

1: J Invest Dermatol. 1999 Mar;112(3):310-6. Related Articles, Links

Procyanidin oligomers selectively and intensively promote proliferation of mouse hair epithelial cells in vitro and activate hair follicle growth in vivo.

Takahashi T, Kamiya T, Hasegawa A, Yokoo Y.

Tsukuba Research Laboratories, Kyowa Hakko Kogyo, Ibaraki, Japan.

We have previously reported that proanthocyanidins extracted from grape seeds possess growth-promoting activity toward murine hair epithelial cells in vitro and stimulate anagen induction in hair cycle progression in vivo. This report constitutes a comparison of the growth-promoting activity of procyanidin oligomers and the target cells of procyanidins in the skin. Results show that procyanidin dimer and trimer exhibit higher growth-promoting activity than the monomer. The maximum growth-promoting activity for hair epithelial cells with procyanidin B-2, an epicatechin dimer, reached about 300% (30 microM) relative to controls (= 100%) in a 5 d culture. Optimum concentration of procyanidin C-1, an epicatechin trimer, was lower than that of procyanidin B-2; the maximum growth-promoting activity of procyanidin C-1 was about 220% (3 microM). No other flavonoid compounds examined exhibit higher proliferative activities than the procyanidins. In skin constituent cells, only epithelial cells such as hair keratinocytes or epidermal keratinocytes respond to procyanidin oligomers. Topical application of 1% procyanidin oligomers on shaven C3H mice in the telogen phase led to significant hair regeneration on the basis of the shaven area; application of vehicle only led to regeneration of 41.7% (SD = 16.3%). In this paper, we demonstrate the hair-growing activity of procyanidin oligomers both in vitro and in vivo, and their potential for use as agents to induce hair growth.

PMID: 10084307

...rampant on late-night television.

Please stop...your stuff is growing very stale.

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...that other posters understand what they're dealing with.

gratitude for it. This is the first stage of it where it is strongly opposed. It's only natural.

http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2004/feb2004_awsi_01.htm
LE Magazine February 2004
Cardiologists Overlook Lifesaving Discovery
William Faloon

Impressive research published in 2003 indicates that coenzyme Q10 may have broader clinical applications than originally identified. These new human studies further validate the efficacy of coenzyme Q10 in the adjuvant treatment of cardiovascular disease.1-9

In particular, a study of heart attack patients showed that compared to placebo, supplementation with 120 mg a day of coenzyme Q10 reduced secondary cardiac events by 45% and significantly reduced the number of cardiac deaths. Many of these heart-attack patients were prescribed a “statin” drug to lower cholesterol levels. The major adverse effect of statin treatment was fatigue that occurred in 40.8% of the placebo group, whereas only 6.8% of the patients supplemented with coenzyme Q10 experienced fatigue.2

toxic drugs that attack the virus directly??

Do you understand this... and if not, why not? Can you see how powerful your own innate immunity is when given a chance, when the required biochemicals are available?? This holds true for many many conditions... more than you would care to know.

1: Med Hypotheses. 2004;62(4):549-53. Related Articles, Links

How HIV-1 causes AIDS: implications for prevention and treatment.

Foster HD.
Department of Geography, University of Victoria, PO Box 3050, Victoria BC, Canada V8W 3P5. hfoster@office.geog.uvic.ca

HIV-1 encodes for one of the human glutathione peroxidases. As a consequence, as it is replicated, its genetic needs cause it to deprive HIV-1 seropositive individuals not only of glutathione peroxidase, but also of the four basic components of this selenoenzyme, namely selenium, cysteine, glutamine, and tryptophan. Eventually this depletion process causes severe deficiencies of all these substances.

These, in turn, are responsible for the major symptoms of AIDS which include immune system collapse, greater susceptibility to cancer and myocardial infarction, muscle wasting, depression, diarrhea, psychosis and dementia. As the immune system fails, associated pathogenic cofactors become responsible for a variety of their own unique symptoms.

Any treatment for HIV/AIDS must, therefore, include normalization of body levels of glutathione, glutathione peroxidase, selenium, cysteine, glutamine, and tryptophan. Although various clinical trials have improved the health of AIDS patients by correcting one or more of these nutritional deficiencies, they have not, until the present, been addressed together.

Physicians involved in a selenium and amino-acid field trial in Botswana, however, are reporting that this nutritional protocol reverses AIDS in 99% of patients receiving it, usually within three weeks.

Publication Types:

* Review
* Review, Tutorial


PMID: 15050105

Unless someone coughed on it.

You can get infected by uncooked infected foods or cross contamination. Cooking kills the virus, but on uncooked foods it can be quite lethal.

but their chicken-raising methodologies have much to be desired....

September 24, 1918, Camp Devens Mass

On September 24 alone, 342 men were diagnosed with pneumonia. Devens normall had twenty-five physicians. Now, as army and civilian medical staff poured into the camp, more than two hundred an dfifty physicians were treating patients. The doctors, the nurses, the orderlies went to work at 5:30 a.m. and worked steadily until 9:30 p.m., slept, then went at it again. Yet on September 26 the medical staff was so overshelmed, with doctors and nurses not only ill but dying, they decided to admit no more patients to the hospital, no matter how ill.

The Red Cross, itself by then overwhelmed by the spread of the disease to the civilian population, managed to find twelve more nurses to help and sent them. They were of little help. Eight of the twelve collapsed with influenza; two died.

For this was no ordinary pneumonia. Dr. Roy Grist, one of the army physicians at the hospital, wrote a colleague, "These men start with what appears to be an ordinary attack of LaGrippe or Influenza, and when brought to the Hosp. they very rapidly develop the most vicious type of Pneumonia that has ever been seen. Two hours after admission they have the Mahogany spots over the cheek bones, and a few hours later you can begin to see the Cyanosis extending from their ears and spreading all over the face, until it is hard to distinguish the coloured men from the white."

The Great Influenza by John Barry

My great grandfather's entire adopted family died in the flu. Sisters, brothers-in-law, nieces and nephews.... all of 'em, leaving him alone in the US at age 17.

Remarkably we are not much more prepared in 2005 than 1918

http://news.google.com/news?q=h5n1%20thai%20binh&hl=en&lr=&sa=N&tab=wn

i can see it already...:-( and i'm :scared: if this reaches the u.s.....man, oh man.

But this may take too long. It depends when the virus mutates so that it can be spread more easily between humans. The 1918 flu killed 20 million world wide and 600,000 in the US. This flu is a similar strain.

Some companies have technology which could be used to make vaccine quicker (using baculovirus expression of flu antigens). I don't know what the status of bird flu vaccine is.

Here's hoping for a massive human outbreak on a global scale. Having our herds culled by 70% could be the best thing that ever happened to our species.

::runs for cover::

The people who will survive this will be the richest, the ones who can afford the absolute best in healthcare, and who can isolate themselves in their private enclaves until it ends. People like me, probably like most of us here, who depend on the social infrastructure for our survival needs, are going to be out of luck.

The "culls" that our "herd" undergoes never select in favor of the smartest, most socially conscious, or *nicest* people.

Of course, by the standards of sociobiology I'm just one of those surplus useless eaters, anyway.

Tucker

Hell, I wouldn't really want to survive it.

But consolation can be taken in the fact that the rich won't be rich anymore - in fact, they'll probably start to die out on their own or kill each other off rather quickly, resulting in a modest 20-25% further reduction in the species population.

I mean, what defines material wealth beyond how much more you have of it than people around you? If there's virtually no one left around you, you are not wealthy. And once there's nobody left to work the food processing plants (or McDonalds), I find it unlikely these folks will have the first clue of where to even start a vegetable garden. Half of them will starve the first winter.

because I've read that in 1918, Eskimos in isolated villages got the flu too.

So I guess we have a rough idea of its mortality rate, but how easily transmissible is it?

I live in Japan... if I find out there is even one case of it here and I decided to just lock myself up in my apartment, would that help?

...very transmissible; however, if this happens, the mutation might change the virulence of the virus. Maybe it would be a bad flu bug, but not quite as deadly.

Can anyone verify this theory? I am not a medical research scientist.

Fellow DUers, you might wish to stock up on this drug. When the pandemic breaks out, believe me, you won't find any then. Stockpile this shit NOW.

http://www.tamiflu.com/faq_tamiflu.asp

Where did you buy your stock? :)

http://dreampharm.com/Tamiflu_online.html

The doctor consultation and rx are included in the price. ;)

Edit: No health insurance for me, so outfits like these are great for those in similar situations..

...make the common person panic and/or stop to examine what's really going on.

Forget about the birds. The situation is much worse than you realize. WHO has no idea where H5N1 is in PEOPLE

http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&lr=&tab=nn&ie=UTF-8&q=bird+flu+monitoring

Are you the author of Recombinomics web site....if so, good work, since it is a very informative site.

He is also one of the most knowledgeable people about the flu that there is. He has several genuine medical breakthroughs to his credit and has held posts at several very respected medical universities. He is a genuine world class expert of this topic.

$11 per dose. 10 doses are the standard protocol.

It's expensive, but I personally don't cherish the thought of dying in agony with an exotic new flu.

Amantadine (Symmetrel®) and similar antivirals should also work well against these influenzae, and since they are available as generics, are likely to be much cheaper. Any sources?

Supplementation with vitamins and herbs -- essentially running a last-ditch experiment -- certainly couldn't hurt, either. Vitamin C supposedly has a fairly potent anti-viral effect when taken in very high doses, but I haven't read any literature on it for several years now.

--p!

"It's not a new worry. Public health officials have been worried for years that a particularly nasty form of bird flu — H5N1 influenza A virus (search) — will learn how to spread easily from human to human. That hasn't happened yet."

Why do they use the word "learn"?

Why is it that this virus could find it easier to survive in the longer term, and to move into human hosts?
The great concern is the virus will acquire the ability for transmitting from person to person, and that's going to happen in one of two ways.

Either there's a re-assortment event, where the human virus re-assorts with the avian virus: they exchange gene fragments, and you get a new virus with the virulence of the chicken flu, and the transmissibility of the human flu. Or, through a gradual series of mutations the avian H5 acquires the ability to transmit from person to person.

And how typical is that evolution in the world of flu viruses?
Influenza viruses evolve, that's what they do. They mutate with every replication and they change over time. And we have already seen the H5 virus mutating and changing over time. Since it was first seen in Hong Kong in 1997, the properties of the current virus are different from the 1997 virus. That will continue to happen.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7127004/

The "E" word is used in the article, but prominent usage would offend the Creationists.

BANGKOK, Thailand - Late last month a regional director of the World Health Organization warned that the WHO believes "that there is now the greatest possible danger of a pandemic," caused by the spread of Avian Influenza, also known as bird flu.


Millions of birds have died or been culled in Southeast Asia in the past year, as bird flu has become endemic to the region. It's now found not only in birds, but in pigs, cats, and even humans. At least 45 people have died in the past year of bird flu in Thailand and Vietnam.

NBC News’ Ned Colt recently sat down with Dr. Scott F. Dowell, Director of the CDC's "International Emerging Infections Program" to discuss the outbreak. The Bangkok-based program is a collaboration between the CDC, and the Thai Ministry of Health. The following are excerpts from that interview.

Ned Colt: Where do we stand regionally in terms of bird flu and its impact on humans at this point?
Dr. Scott F. Dowell: It continues to be a significant concern, we're still seeing outbreaks of the H5 virus among poultry in Thailand, and we're reading about outbreaks in neighboring countries, so the problem in the poultry population seems to be endemic.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7127004/

WHO clearly has no idea who is and isn't infected with H5N1. It is transmitting human-to-human undetected

http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&lr=&tab=nn&ie=UTF-8&q=human+transmission+patients+bird+flu

human to human transmission......

Bird flu pandemic feared
Officials study possible case of human-to-human transmission

Sharon Kirkey and Mark Kennedy
CanWest News Service


March 8, 2005

OTTAWA -- The first possible human-to-human transmission of bird flu between two unrelated people has raised the spectre the lethal virus could be changing to become more easily spread between humans, a Canadian influenza expert warns.

A 26-year-old male nurse from northern Vietnam who provided bedside care for a 21-year-old bird flu patient now in critical condition has himself tested positive for H5N1 avian influenza, according to media reports from the region.

.........

A spokesperson for the World Health Organization (WHO) said in an interview Monday that the international agency is watching the case closely to determine if it has the potential to spawn a global influenza pandemic.

In a phone interview from the WHO headquarters in Geneva, Dick Thompson said experts have now begun work in Vietnam to confirm that the nurse has the H5N1 strain. As well, Thompson said a comprehensive analysis is being conducted to see if anyone else in the hospital where the nurse worked has had the flu.

Thompson said health officials would clearly be more concerned if it is determined the nurse was infected from another human -- as opposed to from a bird. For months, public health officials have warned of the danger of H5N1 emerging among health-care workers, particularly if it leads to a "cluster" of cases that would then be difficult to control.

http://www.canada.com/saskatoon/starphoenix/news/story.html?id=5d70053f-2003-415f-a55d-8a9dcd4d5cb8

H5N1 is already transmitting human to human. Asymptomatic relatives are H5N1 positive

http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&lr=&tab=nn&ie=UTF-8&q=bird+flu+clusters+Thai+Binh

the avian flu it's. . . thinking.



it's. . . . learning.

Is Tamiflu really effective for avian flu ? .... and if so to what degree ? or is it just an attempt by a pharmaceutical to cash in on the scare ?

Here is a link for the most recent article I could find, titled:
"Oseltamivir (Tamiflu(R)) and its potential for use in the event of an influenza pandemic." - I'm on campus, and don't know if the actual article can be viewed from a private computer or not, but at least the abstract is, and you can scoot up to the search bar and do your own searches on the subject.

It is in the "Journal of Antimicrobial Chemotherapy" - not a hugely high-impact journal, but perfectly respectable, as far as I've heard. Enter the following URL as one line in your browser's address window.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=15709056

Happy hunting.

Most of us have a healthy fear for what a pandemic could do, but I get the sense that nobody here has had a severe bout with influenza. Well, I have. I posted it in the Public Health forum about a severe case of the flu I had in 1990.

I posted a shorter version several months ago in reply to a post by Pandemic_1918. Mine was the last post in the thread. Irony note: My grandmother had the flu in 1918, when she was about five years old. It was so bad that she remembered it quite well.

Believe me, you do not want to get an exotic new Influenza A variant. My own experience, as bad as it was, was probably a step less severe than a full-on newly-recombined-genome flu would be.

Anyway, if you like scary stories, click through to it. And by all means, don't think I'm idly trying to scare you. I'm seriously trying to scare you. The government and our sainted Health Care cartels seem to care not one whit about this problem, but a pandemic will strike rich and poor alike.

Stay healthy, everyone.

--p!

This statement about your Grandmother:
"I also compared notes with my grandmother, who actually had the Spanish Flu in 1918. She was a little girl, and it nearly killed her, too. She remembered seeing horse-drawn hearses picking up corpses that had been left outside, and masked people loading them and carrying them away. In her innocent, 5-year-old girl way, she even chose a sheet for her own corpse, although she did not need it."

Whoaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! That makes a person sit back and think.
Sounds like The Black Plague, only far more deadly.
Only two weeks ago I knew nothing about this,
never even heard of the Pandemic of 1918.
And I certainly did not realize it could happen again, and soon.

The last pandemic was in 1968-69.

Three or four times a century, a radical change occurs in the genetic material of the influenza A virus and a new sub-type will suddenly appear. Because it is a radically different strain, the protection and immunity that people have developed against influenza may not protect them. Everyone is, therefore, susceptible to infection and will be at greater risk of developing severe complications like pneumonia. In such a situation, the virus may spread rapidly around the world, and an influenza pandemic - may result.

There have been three pandemics since 1900. The largest was the Spanish Flu, from 1918-19. The next one did not occur until 1957-58, and the final one in 1968-69.

* 1918-19, "Spanish flu," , caused the highest number of known flu deaths: more than 500,000 people died in the United States, and 20 million to 50 million people may have died worldwide. Many people died within the first few days after infection and others died of complications soon after. Nearly half of those who died were young, healthy adults.
* 1957-58, "Asian flu," , caused about 70,000 deaths in the United States. First identified in China in late February 1957, the Asian flu spread to the United States by June 1957.
* 1968-69, "Hong Kong flu," , caused approximately 34,000 deaths in the United States. This virus was first detected in Hong Kong in early 1968 and spread to the United States later that year. Type A (H3N2) viruses still circulate today.



From these three data points, scientists are projecting a new pandemic within 5-10 years. That's obviously drawn from the average of 105 years divided by 3 pandemics. And that's sloppy math.

It was 39 years between numbers 1 and 2, 50 years between 1 and 3 and 11 years between numbers 2 and 3. Based on these numbers, I could project a new influenza pandemic by 2008, or state with certainty that we have already had a flu pandemic, or any number of other conclusions.

The primary thing to remember is that scientists need money to perform their research. The best way to get that money is to demonstrate a need to the public. The validity of the need has nothing to do with the demonstration of the need.

SARS was the last big scare. Remember how that turned out? Before that, we needed vaccinations for smallpox. What happened to that panic? Then, there was anthrax, swine flu, etc. The basic fact of life is that we spend tons of money on illnesses that turn out to be far less threatening than we were led to believe.

Bird flu is caught by poor people who handle chickens and ducks on a regular basis. It has been around since 1997. A handful of cases are presumed to have been spread person to person, and, as usual in these matters, a handful of cases exist where it is not known how the patient got the avian flu.

The reported symptoms of avian influenza in humans have ranged from typical influenza-like symptoms (e.g., fever, cough, sore throat, and muscle aches) to eye infections (conjunctivitis), pneumonia, acute respiratory distress, viral pneumonia, and other severe and life-threatening complications.

In a 2003 outbreak in the Netherlands, of 89 cases, there were 78 cases of conjunctivitis. In 2004, a Canadian outbreak was limited to eye infections. That's a very common result of avian flu, but they don't tell you that because it won't scare you into funding research.

There are different strains of bird flu. Some can make you very sick. But, recall, that most cases involve people who live in third world nations, are poor, and thus have poorer health and limited access to medical care. You know what? People like that ARE more likely to die when they get sick.

The CDC says the following about a normal flu season:

Each flu season is unique, but it is estimated that, on average, approximately 5% to 20% of U.S. residents get the flu, and more than 200,000 persons are hospitalized for flu-related complications each year. About 36,000 Americans die on average per year from the complications of flu.

Drugs are available:

Three antiviral drugs (amantadine, rimantadine, and oseltamivir) are approved and commercially available for use in preventing flu. All of these medications are prescription drugs, and a doctor should be consulted before the drugs are used. When used for prevention, they are about 70% to 90% effective for preventing illness in healthy adults.

Four antiviral drugs (amantadine, rimantadine, zanamavir and oseltamivir) have been approved for treatment of the flu. If taken within 2 days of getting sick, these drugs can reduce the symptoms of the flu and shorten the time you are sick by 1 or 2 days. They also can make you less contagious to others. All of these drugs must be prescribed by a doctor and taken for 5 days. Antiviral drugs are effective only against influenza viruses. They will not help the symptoms associated with the common cold or many other flu-like illnesses caused by viruses that circulate in the winter.

All of the antiviral drugs are different in terms of who can take them, how they are given, any dosing changes based on age or medical conditions, and side effects. Your doctors will help decide whether you should get antivirals and which one you should get.

There are vaccines every year but there are growing signs that they aren't very effective. Michele Malkin has been doing a great job on the effectiveness of vaccines, including the flu vaccine.

Is there a danger of an influenza pandemic in the future? Yes. Can anyone predict when it will happen? No, especially not by dividing 3 into 105. Could avian flu be the next pandemic? Probably not, it's been known for nine years and hasn't gotten any deadlier or produced a person to person transmitted strain. Would the WHO like lots more money to prevent a pandemic. You betcha!

And... realistically, the people most in danger from a pandemic are the same people who are, today, in danger from AIDS, malaria, malnutrition, etc. Poor third world folks. And if we get an influenza pandemic, we won't be able to help them much more than we currently do for all the other ills that afflict them. Sad, very sad, but true.

The H5N1 pandemic is based on the virus evolving, not some overdue math projection (used to dumb down the concept that a pandemic is inevitable)

turned up in Hong Kong?Can it merge?