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NoGOPZone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 06:00 PM
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Scientists find small moon hidden in one of Saturn's rings.
Scientists have found a new moon hidden in one of Saturn's dazzling outer rings. The international Cassini spacecraft spotted the moon, which measures about a third of a mile wide. The discovery was announced Tuesday in a notice by the International Astronomical Union.



http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090303/ap_on_sc/sci_saturn_moon
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Mr. Sparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 06:06 PM
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1. A third of a mile wide seems more like a big rock rather than a moon.
I wonder what the characteristics are needed to be classified as a moon.
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 06:12 PM
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2. I'd call it a future moon.
As in, let's look at it again in 100 million years.
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moundsview Donating Member (150 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 06:13 PM
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3. Green cheese?
Or a cow jumping over it?
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TechBear_Seattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 09:20 AM
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4. I found this article at Space.com
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/moon_definition_040103.html

Other configurations are more complex. Saturn's rings contain myriad chunks of ice and rocks that scientists don't consider moons. Yet embedded in the rings are distinct moons. Size -- and the ability to be noticed -- has so far played a role in being designated a moon.

Yet some moon-like objects are so small they are invisible. Hydrogen atoms at the outer fringes of Earth's atmosphere orbit the planet in an arguably moon-like manner.

"We don't call those satellites," says Alan Stern of the Southwest Research Institute (SwRI), making a firm delineation between moon and non-moon at least at the very lower end of the size spectrum. Dust grains, too, are out, Stern says. From there on up, however, nobody has thought much about where to draw the line, if at all, on what constitutes a moon.

"There is no accepted definition," Stern said.

So what would Stern call a 6-inch rock orbiting a planet? "I would call it a 6-inch rock." But, he acknowledges, "It's technically a satellite."
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Mr. Sparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 12:38 PM
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5. Great find, thanks for that article.
It begs the next question though, what's the difference between a satellite and a moon?
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TechBear_Seattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 01:14 PM
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6. Armchair astronomer that I am, I would hazard a definition...
A satellite is any object or system in free-fall motion with a locus centering on a single astronomical object. Under this definition, all the planets, asteroids, comets, etc. are satellites of the Sun. The Moon and the artificial objects humans have put in orbit around the Earth are all satellites of the Earth, Deimos and Phobos are satellites of Mars, every grain of dust in Saturn's rings and the Cassini probe are satellites of Saturn, etc. Charon is not a satellite of Pluto, as neither body orbits the other; they both orbit a common center of gravity, which would make the Pluto-Charon system a satellite of the Sun.

To be classed as a moon, a satellite would have to meet these requirements, similar to the ones that define a planet:

* It is a natural satellite.

* It orbits a planet, not a star, dwarf planet or other body.

* It has sufficient mass so as to assume a nearly round shape.

* It has "cleared the neighborhood" around its orbit.

Under this definition, several satellites currently classed as moons would get downgraded, as they are not roundish.
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Mr. Sparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-05-09 07:11 PM
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8. That is a good effort but i can see a problem with your first definition
how would you classify an orbiting satellite(or moon) as a natural satellite when the various theories of our own moon would not fit this model.

For me the difference between a moon and a satellite is size and after your interesting 3rd definition, shape. I also think that gravitational fields should be use to distinguish the differences between them.




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TechBear_Seattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-05-09 10:37 PM
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10. The moon is artificial?
That it was likely formed as "splash back" from a massive impact billions of years ago is irrelevant: it is still a natural body, not an artificial one like Sputnik or Cassini. Unless a tiny band of conspiracy theorists are right about the Antareans, of course.

And what about gravitational fields should be used?
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Mr. Sparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-09-09 09:01 PM
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14. To differentiate between a satellite and a moon
the strength of their gravitational field could be used as a measuring stick, imho.
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Esra Star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 09:01 PM
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7. There is only one "Moon". However
there are any number of satellites. Man made and natural.
Only one Moon.
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Mr. Sparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-05-09 07:14 PM
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9. We were talking about a moon rather than the the moon.
I can see how all of this can become terribly confusing. ;)
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Esra Star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-06-09 04:20 AM
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11. There is only "the" moon. It's a name.
Like Earth, Mars, Venus etcetera.
I know it is confusing, but there you go.
Cheers
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Angleae Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-08-09 12:54 AM
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12. "Moon" is not the name of Earth's, well, moon.
It's Luna. "Moon" in not a name.
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Nihil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-09-09 08:28 AM
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13. That is like saying there is only "the" sun.
The correct statements are "There is only one Sun" and
"There is only one Moon" but there are many suns and
many moons. (Hint: capital letters mean something ...).

I know it is confusing but the English language is good like that ...

Cheers.
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