Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Who goes to a creationist museum?

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Topic Forums » Science Donate to DU
 
L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 11:23 PM
Original message
Who goes to a creationist museum?
Did you know humans were created on day six of Creation Week? Not long ago. LOL

====================
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/8032641.stm

Set in 49 acres of well-groomed grounds - that's 35 more than London's Natural History Museum - this is the biggest creationist museum in the United States.

Behind it all is a Christian ministry, Answers in Genesis, committed to spreading its belief that the universe was created by direct acts of God over six days, less than 10,000 years ago. The museum, which cost $27m (£17m) to build, opened two years ago.

And while millions of people the world over will spend 2009 celebrating Charles Darwin's memory ...

The Creation Museum is the uncompromising vision of Australian-born evangelical Ken Ham, who aims to "expose the bankruptcy of evolutionary ideas" and "enable Christians to defend their faith". ...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 11:27 PM
Response to Original message
1. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 11:46 PM
Response to Reply #1
14. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
obliviously Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 11:55 PM
Response to Reply #14
18. Oh so being a christian
and a democrat shouldn't be allowed in your opinion. I didn't start out with a thread for the sole purpose of attacking christian belief you did.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-15-09 04:48 AM
Response to Reply #18
27. Informed Christians
don't take Genesis literally. Certainly they don't believe in a "young earth".
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-15-09 07:35 AM
Response to Reply #18
30. This isn't 'attacking Christian belief'
It's looking at a minority Christian view, out of which Ken Ham is aiming to make a lot of money. It involves people sticking their fingers in their ears and saying "la, la, la, I can't hear you" to 400 years of astronomy, geology, palaeontology, biology, and physics. Very few Christians are creationists.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
rpannier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 11:29 PM
Response to Original message
2. Hey...I'm all for it
He wants to blow millions building a life-sized "Flintstones Theme Park" that's okay by me.

I'd visit it because I want to ride in the Flintstone mobile and use my feet to start and stop it
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 11:30 PM
Response to Original message
3. Suckers...rubes...marks?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Wapsie B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 11:33 PM
Response to Reply #3
4. The fundie demographic is a very fertile one in which to market.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 11:34 PM
Response to Original message
5. Who in the hell would believe this nonsense?
It's frightening that anyone who believes this wacky stuff--would be voting.

I get very afraid for the future and survival of our species, when I know that
there are people out there who are this stupid.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
obliviously Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-15-09 12:03 AM
Response to Reply #5
19. our President
is a christian and has stated it many times are you saying you can't believe he is that stupid?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
lindisfarne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-15-09 12:32 AM
Response to Reply #19
22. Many Christians understand the Bible is not to be taken literally - they understand it has been
Edited on Mon Jun-15-09 12:33 AM by lindisfarne
passed down orally across many generations, then eventually written in many versions. Both oral and written versions were affected by political needs, cultural needs, mistakes, and so on. Many Christians understand the issues with translating both across time, cultures, and languages. What a statement means in one historical context may not be fully conveyable in another, or indeed, may mean something very different.

Thus, many people opposed to homosexuals cite the passage in Leviticus, but fail to observe Leviticus's prohibition of wearing clothes made from two different fibers. If you cite Leviticus to justify your anti-homosexual stance, then you should never wear clothing made from different fibers.

The stupidity comes from failing to understand these and many other factors. Some Christians do understand them - they are not the stupid ones.

I find it hard to understand that so many people who call themselves Christians (and especially those who condemn others using the bible) fail to show any level of understanding of what is in the bible, within the context of history, culture, language, and so on.

And most importantly of all, they fail to grasp that Jesus's message to the world was not "Hate thy neighbor".
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
obliviously Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-15-09 12:36 AM
Response to Reply #22
23. Thank you for a very
articulate and well written reply.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
lindisfarne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-15-09 12:43 AM
Response to Reply #23
24. I don't believe the bible is the "word of god". But I'm amazed that so many people who do
Edited on Mon Jun-15-09 12:46 AM by lindisfarne
fail to make any effort to study it, study historical context, study political context, study cultural context, study issues related to difficulty with translation, and so on.

I would think that failing to make a real concerted effort to understand these things (and rethink whether one's personal biases in fact cause one to act in opposition to it) would be considered sacrilegious by anyone who believed a book (or anything else) conveyed the message of their god (especially if they argued it was to be taken literally rather than philosophically or metaphorically). Thus, I'm left to conclude that many christians are stupid hypocrites. Even worse are their "religious leaders" who spew their misinformation for their own political and personal motives.

Finally, those who believe it is to be taken literally really show their ignorance because so much in the bible contradicts other portions of the bible.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-15-09 04:51 AM
Response to Reply #22
28. Besides, much of the bible
was intended as parable and metaphor.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-15-09 11:02 AM
Response to Reply #19
31. Since when is our President a creationist?
I've never heard that Obama is a creationist. In fact, he's been a hard-line proponent of science in his
policy ideas.

Where are you getting the idea that Obama is a creationist?

Are you incorrectly assuming that EVERY Christian is a Creationist? If so, your thinking is inaccurate.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 11:34 PM
Response to Original message
6. Stooo-Pid Pee-Pulls!!! NT
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
pepperbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 11:35 PM
Response to Original message
7. so what is their take on the civilizations that existed more than 6000 years ago...
like the Mesopotamians or the Folsoms?


Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Kerrytravelers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 11:37 PM
Response to Reply #7
9. They put their fingers in their ears and sing LA-LA-LA.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
dalaigh lllama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 11:42 PM
Response to Reply #7
12. They were put there by God to test your faith
doesn't everybody know that? :D
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 11:47 PM
Response to Reply #7
15. All the evidence of their existence is fake - put there by Satan to tempt us.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
imdjh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 11:36 PM
Response to Original message
8. Blind people? nt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
sharesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 11:38 PM
Response to Original message
10. Sounds like the Discovery Institute.
Dedicated to debunking science and restoring fairy tale explanations for life on Earth.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
dalaigh lllama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 11:40 PM
Response to Original message
11. I think the flat earth society should build their museum next to it
and show ships falling off the edge -- stuff like that. It'd be a double attraction.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 11:43 PM
Response to Original message
13. I would go
if it were free. I would really be curious to see how something as anti-intellectual as creationism is presented in a 'museum.'

Besides I really want to see the dino saddle.

Mz Pip
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 11:48 PM
Response to Original message
16. People who will one day go the way of the Neanderthal
People who believe evolution is evil, and therefore will never evolve. Pity them.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 11:51 PM
Response to Original message
17. i was thinking of taking a trip there just to see , the Duggars went there
and it was shown on tv. lots of stupid.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-16-09 06:58 PM
Response to Reply #17
37. I am curious, but not enough to give them my money. I'd rather spend it at a proper museum.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-15-09 12:06 AM
Response to Original message
20. People victimized by inbreeding
Only a dumbass would believe the Earth and the entire universe is 6,000 years of age.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
lindisfarne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-15-09 12:24 AM
Response to Original message
21. There's one outside of San Diego. A group of graduate students in science went to
Edited on Mon Jun-15-09 12:35 AM by lindisfarne
understand what they're up against. The people at these museums have got answers down pat and anyone who doesn't know science fairly well (majority of Americans) may be convinced by them (especially if they're inclined to believe the bible to be the word of god verbatim).

I pointed out to several people at their museum that their explanations violated the basic physical laws. I asked them whether that bothered them. Their explanation was that god could suspend or change the basic physical laws. I pointed out to one that the bible nowhere condemns abortion (and in fact, in the mosaic law which follows the commandments, there is a clear difference in penalty for killing a pregnant woman vs. causing the fetus to miscarry). They argued this wasn't true, but wouldn't bring me a bible so I could show them. (I didn't even get into all the killing that is caused by god or endorsed by god in the bible).

If you ever go to one, bring your New International Version of the bible with all the relevant passages marked.

They made a big point out of how the Grand Canyon could have been formed in a very short time by a dam suddenly releasing a great deal of water (ignoring all the fossil evidence, etc., laid down in layers, in the walls of the Grand Canyon).

These people quite frankly are nuts.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-15-09 12:55 AM
Response to Reply #21
25. They have swallowed the Drink of Delusion...allowing them license to spread their shtick
Who goes there???...that needs a survey
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Lithos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-15-09 11:06 PM
Response to Reply #21
34. Sounds like the Colorado River
Should really be called De Nile...

L-
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
sakabatou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-16-09 12:59 PM
Response to Reply #21
35. Lemme guess
"...in about 5 minutes." Thay would be several times the speed of sound.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-15-09 02:07 AM
Response to Original message
26. The Duggars
on their show "17/18 & Counting" they went to one. x(
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-15-09 06:53 AM
Response to Original message
29. Folks who need their prejudices reinforced.
It can be hard to find support out in the real world, so every once in a while it's probably soothing to visit a museum in which there's no danger of learning anything new.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-15-09 01:10 PM
Response to Original message
32. Two kinds of people.
Those in need of a really good laugh.

Those who need to be laughed at.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-15-09 01:18 PM
Response to Original message
33. What if someone believed creationism for some reason other than religion.
What would we think of them then?

Why the the fact that they get it from a bronze age myth make it more respectable?

People are not entitled to have their irrational, unrealistic and just plain stupid ideas respected just becuae they fall under the heading of religion. Please note that bad idea =/= bad person, at least not necessarily. Criticizing Christianity for example is not the same as criticizing people for being Christian. I ought to note, however, that being in a religion is essentially an opinon one takes on faith. It is NOT the same as being a racial, ethnic or sexual minority which are inate parts of a person's being. One can change his or her mind about god, but no one can stop being Japanese, for example.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
sakabatou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-16-09 01:00 PM
Response to Reply #33
36. Money and greed
That could be a factor.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Sat May 04th 2024, 04:24 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Topic Forums » Science Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC