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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 12:55 AM
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Dual Orion Capsules Studied for Manned Asteroid Missions

Dual Orion capsules studied for manned asteroid missions

BY CRAIG COVAULT

August 17, 2009

A manned asteroid mission using two Orion spacecraft, docked nose-to-nose to form a 50-ton deep space vehicle, is being studied by Lockheed Martin Space Systems as an alternative to resumption of U.S. lunar landing missions.

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The docked Orion configuration as shown in a Lockheed Martin graphic (above) would have a total of four large solar arrays and two service modules as well as two command modules for extra space on the several week flight. Single 25-ton Orion spacecraft would first be used to replace the space shuttle for servicing the International Space Station. But use of them for asteroid missions and other deep space sites would maximize utilization of the Orion system if lunar landings are deleted as a near term goal.

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In fact a Lockheed Martin video titled "Orion For Crewed Science Missions" shows the twin Orion configuration closely orbiting an asteroid while space suited astronauts explore its surface. With the minuscule gravity of an asteroid, astronauts flying manned maneuvering units could travel between the Orion combo and the object without ever requiring a much heavier, and expensive, asteroid landing vehicle.

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Duffy's presentation also cited satellite servicing that could be performed by astronauts from an Orion configuration, equipped with a shuttle-type manipulator arm deployed from its service module.

The presentation also discussed use of single Orion spacecraft to service geosynchronous orbit military and civilian satellites and the potential for them to travel to Lagrangian points to service telescopes like the giant new Webb space telescope set for launch in about four years. Lagrangian points balance out gravity from the sun, Earth and moon allowing spacecraft to remain parked at those locations. They are about 1 million mi. from Earth, about the same distance as some asteroids passing near Earth. This means Orions configured for missions to telescopes, like Webb, at Lagrangian points would have a life support capability also generally suitable for asteroid missions.

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http://www.spaceflightnow.com/news/n0908/17orion/

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Phoonzang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 03:13 PM
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1. The Orion capsule doesn't provide enough shielding for
Edited on Tue Aug-18-09 03:14 PM by Phoonzang
long term trips to asteroids and Lagrange points. It would make more sense to launch a shielded habitation module and THEN dock a single Orion capsule to it.

Not that any of this will happen since we now know NASA doesn't have enough money to do much of anything. It's up to Obama I guess...
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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 04:50 PM
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2. If two craft were at opposite ends of a long tether, rotation ...
about their common center of mass would provide centrifugal force, i.e. fake gravity.
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pokerfan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 08:12 PM
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3. Part of the Mars Direct architecture
In traditional rocket launches, all stages of the rocket are abandoned when they burn out. In Mars Direct, the final stage of the rocket is attached to the crew module by a long tether. When the stage runs out of fuel, the tether is unwound, creating a two-body system with a center of mass somewhere along the tether. The system is then rotated around this center of mass, with the burnt-out rocket stage acting as the counter-balance to the crew module.

http://chapters.marssociety.org/toronto/Education/MarsDirect.shtml

It's not without its downside: Once you create an artificial gravity environment you wind up with less usable space, having created floors and ceilings. But it's probably worth it on the flight to Mars where you want the astronauts to hit the ground running already adapted to a 39% gravity environment. Not as feasible for the trip home but probably not as necessary. Humans have spent much more than sixth months in zero gee at a stretch.

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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-19-09 06:20 PM
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5. I've seen several SF authors use the idea, didn't remember Zubrin ...
guess it's pretty old hat by now. Just not with NASA.
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caraher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 10:44 PM
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4. How would one handle shielding in a tethered configuration?
Seems like there'd be a challenge making sure the shielding mass had the right orientation is everything is rotating...
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pokerfan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-19-09 08:37 PM
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6. Shielding from what? cosmic rays, solar flares...
Romulan disruptors?

:hi:
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caraher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-19-09 09:14 PM
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7. Dangerous emissions from the nearest star, of course...
Though if you've got something to ward off Romulan attack I'm all ears! ;)
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pokerfan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-19-09 09:36 PM
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8. all ears?


:)

But if you're talking solar flares, i.e. Protons and other energetic charged particles? Not much of an issue in LEO where the Earth's magnetic field provides protection. The thinking on a Mars mission is that the astronauts would retreat into a "storm shelter" in the center of the ship that is lined with water and foodstuffs which are pretty good at blocking that sort of radiation.

Perhaps eventually an "active shield" could be developed where a magnetic field is generated and protects the craft in much the same way the Earth's magnetic field protects the planet.
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caraher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-19-09 10:33 PM
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9. How big are those capsules?
I know they're bigger than Apollo command modules, but they don't look big enough to have a substantial inner "storm shelter" area. Untethered I suppose one could fill up one with people, the other with stuff and orient the whole shebang on a line with the Sun to shield the one with people using the one with gear/provisions. Tethered you need something that works in one module independent of the other, I'd think.
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pokerfan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-19-09 10:52 PM
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11. 8 meters in diameter, two or three decks
Also serves as the habitat on the surface.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_Direct#Mars_Habitat_Unit



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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-19-09 10:40 PM
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10. Magnetic shielding for spacecraft


Magnetic shielding for spacecraft
by Nancy Atkinson
Monday, January 24, 2005

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The concept of magnetic shielding is not new. As Hoffman says, “The Earth has been doing it for billions of years!” Earth’s magnetic field deflects cosmic rays, and an added measure of protection comes from our atmosphere which absorbs any cosmic radiation that makes its way through the magnetic field. Using magnetic shielding for spacecraft was first proposed in the late 1960’s and early 1970’s, but was not actively pursued when plans for long-duration spaceflight fell by the wayside.

However, the technology for creating superconducting magnets that can generate strong fields to shield spacecraft from cosmic radiation has only recently been developed. Superconducting magnet systems are desirable because they can create intense magnetic fields with little or no electrical power input, and with proper temperatures they can maintain a stable magnetic field for long periods of time. One challenge, however, is developing a system that can create a magnetic field large enough to protect a bus-sized, habitable spacecraft. Another challenge is keeping the system at temperatures near absolute zero, which gives the materials their superconductive properties. However, recent advances in superconducting technology and materials permit superconductive properties to exist at temperatures higher than 120 kelvin (−153° C).

There are two types of radiation that need to be addressed for long-duration human spaceflight, says William S. Higgins, an engineering physicist who works on radiation safety at Fermilab, the particle accelerator near Chicago. The first are solar flare protons, which would come in bursts following a solar flare event, such as those seen last week. The second are galactic cosmic rays, which, although not as lethal as solar flares, represent a continuous background radiation to which the crew would be exposed. In an unshielded spacecraft, both types of radiation would result in significant health problems, or death, to the crew.

The easiest way to avoid radiation is to absorb it, like wearing a lead apron when you get an x-ray at the dentist. The problem is that this type of shielding can often be very heavy, and mass is at a premium for nearly every mission. Also, according to Hoffman, a little bit of shielding can actually make it worse, because the cosmic rays interact with the shielding and can create secondary charged particles, increasing the overall radiation dose.

Hoffman foresees using a hybrid system that employs both a magnetic field and passive absorption. “That’s the way the Earth does it,” Hoffman explained, “and there’s no reason we shouldn’t be able to do that in space.”

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http://www.thespacereview.com/article/308/1

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pokerfan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-19-09 11:06 PM
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12. Good article
Solar flares are the real danger.

Cosmic radiation (on a typical 30 month Mars trip) would increase the chance of developing cancer later in life by 1% or 2%. Pretty much the same dose airline pilots over a career of flying around in the stratosphere and far, far less than smoking.

Solar flares on the other hand can potentially deliver a lethal dose in a matter of hours.

I like the idea of an active high-tech shield but it's not really needed for Mars Direct which incorporates a passively shielded "storm shelter." Besides the magnetic shield could break down so you would still want a passive solution available as a backup.
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 01:54 AM
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13. And then there's the issue of radiation on Mars.
As I understand it, you're protest from half the cosmic radiation as the planet blocks it. Solar is another story, though. Mars has no magnetic field.


"As magnetospheres go, though, the Earth is not anything too special. Mercury, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, and Neptune all have magnetospheres, and all but Mercury's dwarf ours. Our sister planets, Mars and Venus, are the oddballs: space probes have found no evidence of structured magnetic field lines on either planet, only traces. Since magnets lose their magnetism when heated a lot, it makes sense that Venus, where it is hot enough to melt lead, does not have a magnetosphere. Therefore, it is Mars that is the real mystery: it is pretty cold and is quite like Earth in many ways . . . so why no magnetosphere?

Now, the point of the Mars Global Surveyor's magnetometer comes clear. As you are reading this, MGS is orbiting Mars and mapping out the planet's magnetism (or lack thereof) with its magnetometer. Every once in a while, anomalies are found, where some magnetized substance is buried beneath the surface. These anomalies were thought to have come up from a once-magnetized core and kept their magnetism when the planet lost its overall magnetism. Scientists working with the MGS hope that by mapping these anomalies they can learn about the extinct magnetic core or dynamo within Mars and about Mars' surface evolution."


http://mgs-mager.gsfc.nasa.gov/Kids/magfield.html

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pokerfan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 02:26 AM
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14. The risk factors I cited included the 18 months on Mars as well as the six months to and fro
Edited on Thu Aug-20-09 02:26 AM by pokerfan
However, once on the surface one can use soil to shield the habitat. This can take the form of sand bags for the early missions. A longer term solution would probably be to build underground. Even NASA agrees that it's manageable.

From the http://www.marssociety.org/portal/c/faq">Mars Direct FAQ:

Radiation only becomes dangerous when absorbed in large quantities, particularly so if those doses come over short periods of time. A prompt dose, such as would be delivered by an atomic bomb or a meltdown at a nuclear plant, can be as high as 75 rem without any apparent effects. Longer-term doses have much lower effects: according to the National Academy of Sciences National Research Council, a dose of 100 rem causes a 1.81% increase in the likelihood of cancer in the next 30 years of a person's life. Russian cosmonauts aboard Mir have taken doses as high as approximately 150 rem, with no apparent side effects to date.

There are two types of radiation which concern astronauts: solar flares and cosmic rays. Solar flares, irregular discharges of radiation from the Sun, are made up of particles with roughly 1 million volts of energy, and can be shielded effectively. Astronauts inside a spaceship during any of the last 3 large recorded solar flares would have experienced doses of 38 rem; if they were inside of the storm shelter designed into the Mars Direct habitat, the dose would have been 8 rem. On the surface of Mars, which offers much radiation protection due to its atmosphere, the unshielded dose would have been 10 rem, the shielded dose 3 rem.

Cosmic rays, which constantly bombard space with an average energy of roughly 1 billion volts, are much more difficult to shield against. However, they occur in considerably lower concentrations than the radiation from a solar flare. In fact, on a conjunction-class flight, astronauts would take an average of 31.8 rem from cosmic rays over the course of a year; on a longer opposition-class flight, they would take 47.7 rem over 1.75 years.

In total, radiation doses of 52.0 and 58.4 rem taken on conjunction- and opposition-class missions, respectively, are well below dangerous thresholds -- even were they to come all at once, instead of over the course of years.


(Emphasis mine.)
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