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LongTomH Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-11 04:36 PM
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"Is it time to welcome our new computer overlords?"
The article, "Is it time to welcome our new computer overlords" is from the Atlantic. I got the link from a post on science writer Carl Zimmer's blog: The Loom. Carl is the brother of Ben Zimmer, author of the Atlantic piece. Carl credits his brother with popping "the hype balloon that has inflated around the Watson computer’s performance on “Jeopardy.”

Some paragraphs from Ben Zimmer's article:

Oh, that Ken Jennings, always quick with a quip. At the end of the three-day Jeopardy! tournament pitting him and fellow human Brad Rutter against the IBM supercomputer Watson, he had a good one. When it came time for Final Jeopardy, he and Rutter already knew that Watson had trounced the two of them, the best competitors that Jeopardy! had ever had. So, on his written response to a clue about Bram Stoker, the author of Dracula, Jennings wrote, "I, for one, welcome our new computer overlords."

Now, think about that sentence. What does it mean to you? If you are a fan of The Simpsons, you'll be able to identify it as a riff on a line from the 1994 episode, "Deep Space Homer," wherein clueless news anchor Kent Brockman is briefly under the mistaken impression that a "master race of giant space ants" is about to take over Earth. "I, for one, welcome our new insect overlords," Brockman says, sucking up to the new bosses. "I'd like to remind them that as a trusted TV personality, I can be helpful in rounding up others to toil in their underground sugar caves."

Even if you're not intimately familiar with that episode (and you really should be), you might have come across the "Overlord Meme," which uses Brockman's line as a template to make a sarcastic statement of submission: "I, for one, welcome our (new) ___ overlord(s)." Over on Language Log, where I'm a contributor, we'd call this kind of phrasal template a "snowclone," and that one's been on our radar since 2004. So it's a repurposed pop-culture reference wrapped in several layers of irony

But what would Watson make of this smart-alecky remark? The question-answering algorithms that IBM developed to allow Watson to compete on Jeopardy! might lead it to conjecture that it has something to do with The Simpsons -- since the full text of Wikipedia is among its 15 terabytes of reference data, and the Kent Brockman page explains the Overlord Meme. After all, Watson's mechanical thumb had beaten Ken and Brad's real ones to the buzzer on a Simpsons clue earlier in the game (identifying the show as the home of Itchy and Scratchy). But beyond its Simpsonian pedigree, this complex use of language would be entirely opaque to Watson. Humans, on the other hand, have no problem identifying how such a snowclone works, appreciating its humorous resonances, and constructing new variations on the theme.

All this means, according to Zimmer, that "Team Carbon is still winning the language war against Team Silicon." A computer may be able to do a table look-up on a reference; but, it still doesn't grasp the nuances of human use of snowclones, metaphors, irony, etc.

Zimmer does make some interesting comments to the effect on the fact that "We're all suckers for the man-machine trope, going back to John Henry's mythical race against the steam-powered hammer."

This all has implications for the "Soft AI" vs "Hard AI" debate. AI of course, refers to Artificial Intelligence. The term was coined by computer scientist John McCarthy in 1956; McCarthy defined artificial intelligence as: "the science and engineering of making intelligent machines." Some wit redefined AI as: "The art of making computers do what computers do in the movies."

The term Soft AI refers to AI systems as they do today: Machines that solve problems using a heuristic approaches programmed into them. Most people who work with computers today don't expect to go beyond this, probably because they've had to work with and around the limitations of their machines. A mentor of mine in programming constantly referred to the computer as "Dummy the dunce!"

Hard AI is the prediction that computers will someday duplicate human reasoning and intelligence, and go on from there to develop 'super-intelligence.' There are interesting philosophical groups forming around the idea of hard AI and super-intelligence; among them the Transhumanists and The Singulatarians.

I've encountered transhumanists and singulatarians at various futurist conferences. I had an interesting debate with a young man who couldn't understand why I didn't find the idea of uploading my mind into a computer inviting.

My real concerns with both groups is their simplistic optimism, not in their optimism per se, but in its simplicity. What I resist is the simplistic technological utopianism inherent in both groups: the idea that the development of artificial intelligence, molecular nanotechnology, and human enhancement will in themselves bring about a utopia. I fear that, we could see a technological singularity with almost all of the benefits flowing to the ultra-rich, with most of the human race still living in squalor. We could see the upper 0.1% to 0.01% of the population becoming immortal, and most of the rest still denied basic medical care. I do not see that as moral or acceptable.
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Drale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-11 04:44 PM
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1. At this point it might be more productive to have computer overlords
than republican overlords
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-11 07:08 AM
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6. Computers would at least approach our problems logically/rationally rather than...
...ideologically/theologically/insanely.

The results couldn't be any worse and might very
well be better. ;)

Tesha
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DetlefK Donating Member (449 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-11 08:20 AM
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8. Seriously. You wouldn't want that.
"The needs of the many trump the needs of the few." How would a computer decide in a live-and-death situation?
A murder in self-defense. How would a computer-judge decide?
Stealing food to feed your hungry children. How would a computer-judge decide?
You have two kids while a One-child-policy is in place. How would a computer-judge decide?
Smuggling medicine across the canadian border. How would a computer-judge decide?



Man-kind has shown over and over again that it pillages finite natural resources and then wastes them with outdated technology and wars.
How would a computer-overlord decide, when it comes to the question of giving the human populace the freedom to make their own decisions?
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Newest Reality Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-11 04:47 PM
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2. Interesting topic. Thanks!
The most pertinent question today, after years of technological wonders propaganda, is who will benefit and how?

Those of us not able to afford the ride may not be celebrating or even welcoming each new techno-marvel, especially when we are marginalized from the choices and outcomes involved.

The larger issues of inequality, environmental impact, as well as sustainability in regards to the current, peak-everything wall we are barreling towards, lead me to compare and question the intelligence of a species/culture in respects to how the tools it creates are used, no matter how complex or astounding the technology.

If technology is going to be used in service of a small-percentage of our population in order to create a separate, insulated layer of Utopia where the technology is also a barrier to our access, then it leads me to rethink the benefits and purpose of the so-called progress implied.
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LongTomH Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-11 08:03 PM
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3. Thanks for a very insightful reply!
These are issues that must be addressed now - not in some far off future.
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newamericanpatriot Donating Member (95 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-11 12:10 AM
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4. They are beng addressed now...
Read about Kurzweil and NASA forming Singularity University:
http://www.singularity.com/
http://singularityu.org/

Amazing stuff.
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LongTomH Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-11 12:20 PM
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9. Does Singularity University Flunk out?
Futurist Jamais Cascio made some excellent comments about the Singularity University on his Open the Future blog: Flunking Out. Cascio states:

I find the name and slogan annoying, but let's set those aside. I'm mostly astounded -- and not in a good way -- by the academic tracks. For those of you who haven't yet ventured into SU's ivy-covered marble halls, they are:
  1. Future Studies & Forecasting
  2. Networks & Computing Systems
  3. Biotechnology & Bioinformatics
  4. Nanotechnology
  5. Medicine, Neuroscience & Human Enhancement
  6. AI, Robotics, & Cognitive Computing
  7. Energy & Ecological Systems
  8. Space & Physical Sciences
  9. Policy, Law & Ethics
  10. Finance & Entrepreneurship

The message here? People don't matter.

The first track is just Singularitarianism 101. The next seven cover technology-based industries -- the mix of "here's what you can invest in now!" with "here's something that we can imagine" still to be determined. The last one, on "Finance & Entrepreneurship," gives away the game with its introduction: "...how can we monetize this new knowledge of future technologies?"

<snip>

For an institution that claims to be "preparing humanity for accelerating technological change," it sure seems to be spending a lot more time talking about nifty gadgets than about the connection between technology and society.

To put it another way: this is all about the symptoms of "accelerating technological change," and almost nothing about the consequences.

Keep reading and you'll see that Cascio suggests an alternative track, with subjects like "Ethics, Morality, and Unintended Consequences.

I need to point out that Jamais Cascio is one of a relatively small band of futurists who style themselves as "technoprogressives," meaning they come at discussion of technological change from a progressive viewpoint. If you've spent any time on futurist websites, you should have already noticed that most 'futurism' today is from a conservative and corporatist viewpoint. I find that a disturbing trend; one I need to comment on in future postings.
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-11 04:58 AM
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10. Why The Computer Is Doomed
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/technology/why-the-computer-is-doomed/article1449339/

meant to post this two days ago, but couldn't remember the name of the article.
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pokerfan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-11 03:13 AM
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5. It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity...
It always phrases its responses in the form of a question...
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Kennah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-11 04:02 PM
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11. Dave, what are you doing?
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-24-11 08:07 AM
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7. More reading:
Edited on Thu Feb-24-11 08:12 AM by Hissyspit
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txlibdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-11 04:34 PM
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12. On the topic of Jeopardy
You cannot bring up the game show Jeopardy, in my opinion, without watching this first: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-6IldHJ1Vs

Will computers ever be able to appreciate the subtle humor in that youtube video? I am of the opinion that we shouldn't want them to.

Take the example of Commander Data from Star Trek: The Next Generation. He is capable of super-human intelligence, analysis, insight it seems even. But, for all his positronic prowess, cannot understand a joke, is shown many times struggling to get past "mere imitation" of human creativity. And I'm ok with him just like that. Data is an amazingly useful tool. He helps the humans accomplish things they could not otherwise do, win against powerful adversaries (the Borg Queen), and solve the puzzles or questions that arise during the episode. His attempts to "be more human" are actually endearing --that quality should be simulated in every humanoid robot that we build.
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