Anciet Egyptians turn out to be more bad-ass than previously thought. CHECK OUT THE PYRAMID LAYOUT!

I've heard about some of the amazing proportions/symmetries of the pyramids themselves, for example...

- In the Great Pyramid, the King's Chamber, angled at 45 degrees 14 minutes, would have targeted the star Zeta Orionis, the lowest of the three stars of Orion's Belt (which corresponded with the Egyptian god Osiris). The Queen's Chamber, angled at 39 degrees 30 minutes, would have aligned with Sirius ("Alpha Canis Major") at it's highest point in the night sky during it's highest peak of the year (which corresponded with the Egyptian goddess Isis).

- The base length of the Great Pyramid - 921.453 meters - is exactly equal to half a minute of latitude at the equator, so the perimeter is equal to 1/43,200 of the circumference of the earth. 4,320 is also a precessional number - the rate of precession is measured by observing the gradually changing zodiacal backdrop against which the sun rises on the spring equinox. The positions of the stars "shifts" 1 degree every 72 years. Each of the 12 ages of the zodiac occupies 30 degrees of this astronomical circle. It takes 2160 years to complete one cycle (we are currently in the "age of Pisces"). 2160 x 2 = 4320. Also, if you want to take that further, Hindus believe that the Brahman age goes in 4,320,000 year cycles of four stages, but that's neither here nor there.

- Pi and the Great Pyramid - it's height (481.3949 feet) stands in relation to its based perimeter (3023.16 feet) as the radius of a circle stands in relation to its circumference. Multiply the height by 2pi, and you get the value for the base perimeter: 481.3949 x 3.14 x 2 = 3023.16 feet.

- Phi (the Golden Ratio) and the Great Pyramid - The relationship between half the base length and the length of its apothem/slope is the ratio 1:1.618. This geometrical proportion was considered by the Pythagoreans to have a particularly distinctive aesthetic quality. Beyond that, it's found throughout nature (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVODhFLe0mw - there are more technical ones on YouTube, but this is my favorite...just search "Golden Ratio").

- All sides of the Giza pyramids are perfectly squared with north/south and east/west.

- Plus more that I am forgetting, or ill equipped to explain. (check out this book for a great rundown on that, and more: http://www.amazon.com/Hermetic-Code-DNA-Principles-Ordering/dp/1594772185)


...and I knew about the Pyramids of Giza modeling the stars of Orion's belt, but I wasn't aware of just how vast the star correlation was. Check it out:








(map source: http://www.thehiddenrecords.com/egypt.htm)

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Just kidding. It is pretty impressive.

with the nerd shirt.

...from these guys:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZEdDMQZaCU

Though I eat this stuff up with a spoon, I consider that some fact bending may have been required to make the various formuli work.

Regardless, the site puts together a compelling presentation showing that the design wasn't randomly laid out. In the days before TV, there was little to do on cold desert nights but look to and study the skies. Thanx for posting.

...like how the red granite "sarcophagus" in the King's chamber has the acoustic property of 2:1 to the outside (the external volume is exactly twice that of the internal volume). Additionally, 2:1 corresponds to the length of the entire chamber in relation to its width. In music, the doubling of a tone is it's octave (which is the first "overtone" to the original "fundamental" tone), where the last note vibrates at twice the frequency of the first note. It's like you said, seems more than mere coincidence.

From the inner chamber of the Great Pyramid in Egypt come these Rosicrucian vowel sound intonations that stir our inner nature. Recorded by Edward Lee in the Great Pyramid.



It will be the first podcast.

http://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/rosicrucian-podcast/id212113373


I have met Ed Lee and he told us the story of getting to record the Rosicrucian Vowel Sounds. He had quite an ordeal carrying up all the equipment by himself. He is an extraordinary man.

From the book I mention in the OP:

Many observers have noted how voices sounded in this chamber have unusually resonant properties. Collins suggests that this unusual sound property might have something to do with the fact that the "Pythagorean" 3-4-5 triangle is incorporated into the chamber's whole design.

This fact can be observed by describing a diagonal from one lower corner of the end wall up to the opposite top corner, which, if the baseline of the floor is included, results in a perfectly proportioned 3-4-5 triangle. The same applies to the huge block of granite incorporated in the wall immediately above the entrance to the chamber. The fact that the chamber is exactly twice as long as it is wide means that the 3-4-5 symmetry is an intrinsic feature of its whole structure.

As Collins notes, this particular geometrical configuration expresses three significant harmonic proportions that together produce the keynote in a major scale, as with the notes (based on the scale of C major) D (re), E (mi), and G (sol), for example, which generate the vibrations of the keynote C, i.e. the magical Do, which appears at the beginning an the end of every major scale. The combined frequencies of these three notes relate to one another in the same way as the combined ratios of the 3-4-5 triangle.


Thanks again for the link (fascinating!), and for sharing your experience! Also, I appreciate you forwarding this thread to your friend!

and i am not trying to be a conspiracy theorist either...but that civilization was highly evolved and basically just sprang up out of the sand... (or they came from somewhere else, like atlantis or something that HAD all this knowledge already...)

I remember taking an Art Histroy class in college and it was really mind boggling that they had an evolved hieroglyphics and stylized art style, with no previous versions on record. even the earliest civilizations, you can see how their writing and art EVOLVED over time... not egypt. they sprang up out of nowhere with it all in place...

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and always felt ripped-off by not getting enough on Egyptian culture.

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... who have made all the pyramidy-mathy-astronomical stuff their lives' work. I barely made it thru algebra so can't hang with them in any form, but it's fascinating to read and opine - not just Giza but other sites around the world as well.

...I've seen some of their work regarding the other megalith sites (not only by themselves, but in relation to each other), and it's fascinating. Eye-spinnigly difficult to comprehend, but fascinating nonetheless. There are even more deeper relations with the pi ratio alone that some of those other megaliths adhere to, in addition to the fact that pi has meaningful significance of being a "trinity of octaves"...but, this is the point where I lose all capability to articulate it further. The author of the book I linked to in the OP (Michael Hayes) cites Hancock, and a myriad of others, in that same book. As a matter a fact, I highly recommend it, as it made some of these things a little easier to digest. And thanks for the input!

Love this kind of stuff. thanks!

that something that taught in Junior High.

is fascinating. "We" think we know so much and have "discovered" relationships fruitful to "our" civilization and its advancement.

Imagine doing this project with Roman numerals.

Thanks for posting.

Great addition to the thread!

Some of the other stuff I've read - Hermes Trismegistrus was the Greek name for Thoth (in Rome, he was the god Mercury). The "hermetic dictum" is that famous expression: "As above, so below." The rod or wand of Hermes/Mercury was the caduceus - which we recognize as the medical staff, with two wings and entwined by two serpents. It was said to have had "awesome magical properties." It's also the perfect DNA double helix.

In Egyptian culture, Thoth was "ibis-headed," Osiris' highest adviser, and, in The Egyptian Book of the Dead, the one who records the results of the life of the deceased in the Judgment Hall (he's the dude in the middle):



He also is symbolized by the moon.


Love that kind of stuff, thanks again!

...and the best book, in terms of comprehensiveness and accesibility, I've read on the subject is this one:

A Beginner's Guide to Constructing the Universe: Mathematical Archetypes of Nature, Art, and Science
http://www.amazon.com/Beginners-Guide-Constructing-Universe-Mathematical/dp/0060926716

I tend to agree with your assessment of our common underestimation of their extraordinary knowledge, and the fact that we are lead to believe our technology makes us superior in every way. It would almost seem that these civilizations lived more harmoniously in accord with nature's laws (including those of the entire cosmos) than we do today. Thanks for the input!

...crapping in the river and drawing your water downstream thing. :)

it is always nice to have maps to go along with the confirmations.

I just sent this to my dear friend who is in Egypt at this very moment experiencing several Initiation Ceremonies throughout the country. I'm sure he will appreciate the info.

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there are many mysteries here

or run from it -- ignoring information --

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It implies that they were too dumb or "primitive" to do it themselves, which is completely crap and factually untrue, it's very similar to the crap spouted about the Mound-builder culture sites here in the US.

And the pyramids themselves have a history of development that is completely native. The very first pyramids, the "step pyramids" were essentially derived by an older form of grave monument that became stacked like a layer cake. And there were a lot of mistakes, as the "bent" pyramid shows.

Was gonna add this to the OP, but it was incredibly long and (for me, at least) a bit difficult to digest. But, if anyone's interested, here's another interesting "happenstance":

There are apparently some other interesting facts concerning the Sirius system and our own sun - in particular, with the Great Pyramid and the second Pyramid of Khafre (the rest is directly quoted from the book The Hermetic Code in DNA by Michael Hayes):

As the Great Pyramid has an apparent Sirius connection (that is, the southern shaft emanating from the Queen's Chamber, which targeted Sirius as it culminated at the meridian at the time of construction of the Great Pyramid), Temple proposes that it might be a representation of the "invisible" star, Sirius B, and that the slightly smaller Pyramid of Khafre represents our own sun.

Temple begins by comparing the sides of the slightly larger base of the Great Pyramid (755.79 feet) with the sides of the base of Pyramid of Khafre (707.75 feet), calculating that the sides of the Great Pyramid are 1.0678 times those of Khafre's. He then notes, using the newest available astrophysical data, that the mass of Sirius B is 1.053 times the mass of our sun. As he says:

"The correspondence is thus accurate to 0.014. However, even this tiny discrepancy may be highly significant. For 0.0136 (which rounded off is 0.014) is the precise discrepancy between the mathematics of the octave and the mathematics of the fifth in harmonic theory, where 1.0136 is referred to as the Comma of Pythagoras, and was known to the ancient Greeks, who are said to have obtained knowledge of it from Egypt."

Temple expresses much of the same idea in his revised version of The Sirius Mystery, in which he calls the discrepancy of 0.0136 (rounded off to 0.014) the Particle of Pythagoras: "Essentially, one could say that it expresses the minute discrepancy between the ideal and the real."

Temple goes on to reveal that the precise value of 1.053, which we have noted has only very recently been identified as the exact ratio of the masses of Sirius B and our sun, was very accurately expressed by the astronomer/mathematician Macrobius in the fifth century CE in the form of the "sacred" fraction, 256/243. Macrobius claimed that this fraction, which was also referred to by several of his contemporaries, was used in harmonic theory by people who he himself referred to as the ancients.

and will try to give this a little study soon --

One of the questions about the pyramids that I've been interested in is that at

least one of them has a gold circle on the top of the head -- which can be seen

from the air. I've never found out anything more about it, however -- whether

it was a compartment which had info -- or something else? Have you come across

any info on that?

but after reading about the harmonics above, i though of the book "Ancient Secret of the Flower of Life" by drunvalo melchesidek (sp?)

so here's a link to his site! I highly suggest the books! fascinating stuff! ...and seriously brain bending if you start to do all the calculations and such too!

http://www.floweroflife.org/teachings.htm

Not woo-woo at all! Sacred geometry (which I saw they mentioned in that site) is absolutely fascinating, and, for a great overview on the subject, I highly recommend the book that was mentioned in Post #17 and Post #32:

http://www.amazon.com/Beginners-Guide-Constructing-Universe-Mathematical/dp/0060926716/ref=pd_sim_b_8

It's also fascinating how those kind of structures correlate to meditative chakras, and other areas in the human body. I've looked into Kundalini Yoga, and Zazen meditation, but I look forward to looking into this site/author! Thanks!

I think we are teaching math wrong to our kids...i sucked at 'basic math and algebra' but when in context of chemistry and quantum and sacred geometry, i feel like a freaking genius!
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when i would write letters & numbers for my kids as toddlers...i would teach them using sacred geometry too...

A 1 circle
B 2 square
C 3 triangle

it may be a little off, but it was fun to put the platonic solids in their heads as the first steps...

As I was reading that book, the thought that always crossed my mind was - "I wish they would've taught this in school!" The author points out as much in the intro, between how it is taught ("Math is taught as a servant of commerce"..."We've lost sight of the spiritual qualities of number and shape by emphasizing brute quantity") and how it should be taught ("By seeing patterns, we gain a larger view of nature, of life, and of ourselves"..."On every scale, every natural pattern of growth or movement conforms inevitably to one or more of the simple geometric types").

The really neat thing about that book is that it even goes beyond the nuts and bolts of it all, and ties it in with some pretty deeply philosophical connotations ("Learning nature's language and reading its message helps abolish the attitude of separateness and encourages us to appreciate diversity").

One of the reasons learning this way resonates, I imagine, is that it's not only in the "math" that we see all around us everyday, but it exists within us as well ("All universal designs are found in human body proportions")! One of my favorite aspects of it is the "unfolding" of life itself -

Seed (point), Stem (line), Leaf (surface), Flower (volume)

or, more "technically":

Monad (circle/infinite point/unity), Dyad (line/duality), Triad (surface/binding/triangle), Tetrad (volume/life/square)

(couple this with a current theory that the universe "unfolded" from a infinite "singularity," to one-dimension, before expanding to include two dimensions, then three - and who knows how many "beyond" - and things really get interesting: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/04/110420152059.htm) <---some have referred to this type of idea as "The Big Bloom"

The book goes beyond that, and into much more detail - covering everything from that, to fractal geometry, to the Platonic Solids, to the I Ching. Can't recommend it enough.

And that's awesome that you taught your toddlers that way, you got some lucky kids!

but got straight A+'s in geometry, even finding alternate proofs. It's a different way of thinking!

Especially the correlation between the maps & the constellations. Wow.
Thanks for posting! :thumbsup:

Also, Quantum Theory is much the same, very "mind-bending." The "woo-woo" comment, IMO, (as a carpenter...lol) is really not that far-fetched. Especially when you consider that many of these advanced calculations and technologies (very accurate instrumentation...etc...) seemed to just suddenly appear, with no record of a gradual learning process.
There are some very ancient drawings of human-like forms in (obviously) "space suits" also, drawings of man(?) in flight, etc... Of course these can be explained as just imagination on the part of the ancients.
However, many sites in our world have man-made(?) formations that can only be viewed from high elevations. These too can be explained away by ancient people, using extremely accurate mathematics to create these formations as a possible sign to their Gods.
However they came about, IMO, the "woo-woo" theory is as good (if not better) an explanation than the strict, we are the only inhabitants of the universe theory.
BTW, our most famous (deceased) astronomer, Carl Sagan, said that to imagine that Earth is (was) the only inhabited planet in the cosmos is absurd. Most "geniuses" tend to agree with his assessment.
I spend zero time investigating the possibilities, but I think it is fascinating.

No reason not to keep an open mind on these matters. Orthodoxy one way or the other doesn't do anyone any good, especially given matters with this magnitude of mystery (like how seemingly impossible these structures would be to construct even with our best equipment today). Doing so only serves to hinder progress, and shame those who may have any "alternate" takes (I've heard of some that propose some type of ultra-sonic sound technology...not saying it is or isn't legitimate, but since every substance on earth "vibrates" - the basis of the Quantum Theory that you mentioned - it's an interesting thing to ponder). Thanks again!

raises questions about how that could possibly have been done using Stone Age bronze tools. There are many other intriguing aspects about the layout, the purpose, and the construction of the pyramids that we only guess at.

The mathematics are astounding, for sure, and your information about the alignment and positioning of the various monuments just adds to the mystery of who the great minds were behind these 'construction projects' and how they accomplished what they did.

Thanks for posting this.

I will try to find the title and author of a book I read a few years ago that presents some very interesting ideas and information about these wonders of our world.

REC.

These things were down to a fraction of an inch! And, the measurements/ratios of the inner chambers (some of which I mentioned earlier) were dead on the money to produce certain resonant tones. Let me know if you find that book, the one I mentioned in the OP is actually really interesting. It explores even more theories of how they were able to achieve such precision/construction, and delves deeper into the significance of the pi ratio ("the triple octave"), and how it mathematically resonates down to our very DNA!

engineer who became fascinated with the Great Pyramid and decided to approach it from the viewpoint of analyzing it as a functioning machine. The book is fascinating and well written. Dunn doesn't try to figure out Who built the Great Pyramid or Why, but he does come up with a logical-sounding theory for what it was/is and how it functioned.

While searching for the book I discovered that Dunn also has another book about the Egyptians and their engineering expertise. it is Lost Technologies of Ancient Egypt. I'll be buying that one for my collection.

Enjoy.

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that deals with Mathematical Archetypes of Nature, Art, and Science

A Beginner's Guide to Constructing the Universe:

http://www.amazon.com/Beginners-Guide-Constructing-Universe-Mathematical/dp/0060926716/ref=pd_sim_b_8

I absolutely love that book, and have recommended it widely ever since I read it (as luck would have it, I even mentioned it in post #17...that's why I thought it was awesome that you brought it up!). I almost think it should flatly be a required read, since it deals with everything from the day-to-day, to the microcosmic, to the macrocosmic, and shows how they're all interconnected. Plus, it has some fantastic quotes in the margins. Thanks for the recommendation and the response!

...above the Nile Delta around 2500 BCE (which is why they can calculate how certain stars would line up with the King's/Queen's Chambers). Other than that, I'm pretty sure that even though the stars slightly "shift" in the night sky for us over time due to precession, the position of the stars themselves in relation to each other remains relatively fixed (like the pyramid layout). Sorry I can't be more help, but that's my best guess.

Here are some quality books for researching the reality of those times and those early civilizations' attempts to understand the world:

The Rhind Mathematical Papyrus: Free Translation Commentary and Selected Photographs, Transcription, Transliterations, Literal Translations (Classics in Mathematics Education ; V. 8)
(http://www.amazon.com/Rhind-Mathematical-Papyrus-Transcription-Transliterations/dp/0873531337/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1304613571&sr=1-2)

The Exact Sciences in Antiquity
(http://www.amazon.com/Exact-Sciences-Antiquity-Neugebauer/dp/0486223329/ref=pd_sim_sbs_b_1)

A History of Ancient Mathematical Astronomy (Studies in the History of Mathematics and Physical Sciences)
(http://www.amazon.com/Mathematical-Astronomy-Mathematics-Physical-Sciences/dp/354006995X/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1304612969&sr=1-2)

From Eudoxus to Einstein: A History of Mathematical Astronomy
(http://www.amazon.com/Eudoxus-Einstein-History-Mathematical-Astronomy/dp/0521045711/ref=pd_sim_sbs_b_3)



These books will be a lot of work to read and study carefully, but one would obtain more accurate information than that which is on offer above. Thus, these books would be worth the effort if one cares about the realities of antiquity and its study through archaeology.

Two books by Christopher Dunn. Discusses the precision methods that may have been used to fit multi-ton blocks of granite together,
tight enough that water cannot penetrate.

Eye opening pics of machine and drilling marks left over.

The earth itself vibrates. Dunn suggests that earths resonance at the time of construction was F#.
The multi ton granite blocks that are in the upper portion of 'the kings chamber' were TUNED to F# using a drill to make each block resonate at that freq.


http://www.gizapower.com/Articles.htm

I know.....woo woo whatever.

Another look into ancient knowledge describes the sexi-decimal system which is still in use when describing circles/spheres/arcs.
And how the Sphinx 'looks' exactly along the 30th parallel.
And who may have delineated the earth in the first place.

...by Hans Cousto that delves deeply into the mathematics behind that kind of stuff - like how to find the "pitch" of things like Earth's vibrational frequency (I think it deals with measuring the Earth year in seconds, taking its reciprocal, and doubling it - which is merely going up successive octaves, giving you the same "note" - until you reach the "audible range"):

http://www.amazon.com/Cosmic-Octave-Harmony-Inherent-Vibrations/dp/0940795205

In the book, he points out there are only frequencies, and we "hear" some of them because our ears have the ability to resonate to the range of the frequency (and we only "see" some of them - in the 375 trillion Hz-750 trillion Hz range - because our eyes developed to distinguish that range...interestingly, our eyes "see" in only one octave, while our ears "hear" in about 10). The most common example of finding resonate tones/frequencies is when people shatter wine glasses using only sound (or, on a larger scale, when entire bridges wobble: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ce-PQqkIXe0) And, like you pointed out and as its been demonstrated, it appears the Ancient Egyptians were highly attuned to certain types of resonations. Can't remember if he touches on the Ancients at all in that book (I know he discusses the planets and the sun), but I highly recommend it.

Anyway, thanks for the info and the link! On a cursory glance, saw some demonstrations of "Sacred Geometry" in the first article, which I always find fascinating. I look forward to looking into it further!

On a related note, the study of Cymatics deals with the visible shapes created by sound/vibration (in theory: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cymatics and, in practice: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6PSA5bYTxs).

that the Egyptian civilization sprang forth 2 or 3 thousand years after the Sumerians.
And some evidence indicates that the meso-americans predated the Egyptians.
As did the Indus Valley civilization.
All of whom had 'holy' cities planted right on the 30th parallel.
And all of the above had similar gods and goddess figures that appeared from the heavens and were visible.
Given different names through the ages.

Wooo Wooo sells better when the masses are ignorant.

I agree it's mind-bending to think that such massive construction could be done with such precision with no evidence of the technology or the means of such projects evolving.

A lot of libraries burned down --

and they're still after them -- !!!

921.453 meters - is exactly equal to half a minute of latitude at the equator"

The Great Pyramid was not constructed to millimeter precision. It is rather difficult to know how precise the finished product was; if originally cased with limestone, the original casing is mostly lost, and the remaining mound is somewhat irregular. Nor could the ancient Egyptians have known the equatorial circumference of the earth to millimeter precision: it is not even really defined to such precision. Worse than that: the notion of a "minute of latitude" has its origins in Babylonian sexagesimal calculation, whereas the ancient Egyptian notion of fractions was based on a completely different idea -- namely, sums of distinct unit fractions -- so there would be no Egyptian notion of "half a minute of latitude" and no reason for the ancient Egyptians to consider a notion such as 1/43200 of the equatorial circumference of the earth. And of course, there is no reason to think the ancient Egyptians considered the earth a gigantic sphere:

Similarly, one can deconstruct statements such as "it's height .. stands in relation to its based perimeter .. as the radius of a circle stands in relation to its circumference." The ancient Egyptian rule for calculating the area, of a circle of diameter 9, is given in the Rhind papyrus as follows:

Take away 1/9 diameter, 1
It leaves 8
Multiply 8 by 8
Makes 64
Do it so:
1 9
1/9 1
It leaves 8
1 8
2 16
4 32
8 64
Area is 64

This corresponds to (8*diameter/9)^2, which in modern terms would yield a value of around 3.16 for pi. Archimedes' estimate 22/7 is rather better; but there's no evidence the ancient Egyptians had an idea that circumference/diameter was a useful notion.

Moreover, the Bent Pyramid strongly suggests that the early pyramid builders had some engineering difficulties, so the aspect ratios of the pyramids probably reflect a compromise between aesthetics and engineering considerations

Looking at a structure that has undergone that much weathering and crumbling and telling me you measured it to three metric decimal places is a bit disingenuous, unless I'm missing something.

and perhaps they had a bit of help ... ???

Caught this on TV the other day and watched the rest online:

www.hulu.com/the-pyramid-code

Thought it was interesting. Challenges orthodoxy, so may irk the flat-earthers. Don't need to take it as unadulterated gospel (since nothing should be), just offers some evidence worthy of exploration. Also has a great overall message at the end of the last episode.