George Noory and Glenn Beck

I'm in a rather sour mood today. I woke up thinking about what I learned last night as I was trying to fall asleep. I was listening to George Noory interview William Henry on lost symbols in D.C.; in particular the fresco inside the Capitol Dome, The Apotheosis of Washington, which Henry says is a stargate.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Apotheosis_of_Washington

William has been one of my favorite C2C guests. Until now. At one point he and George started talking about Glenn Beck and what a whiz GB is with symbols. If you saw any footage of that moron describing the painting that (doesn't) hang in Rockefeller Center, you probably were not impressed with his symbol explanations. It was ridiculous.. the wheel.. motion . moving .. the industrial age.. OMG what a stupid doofus. Henry even said he would like to take Glenn to D.C. and lie on the floor and look up at the fresco! George said he didn't think he would want to do that, but went on to praise Beck for his ability to build an audience! Never mind that he does with hate, bigotry and poisonous propaganda!

I'm just crushed. I'll never feel the same about those two men.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOxFdP92o0s&feature=PlayList&p=9A997992C60C938E&index=0&playnext=1

I listened to the whole original show and don't remember anything about Glenn Beck. Nothing. Do you mean Glenn Kimball by any chance? LOL, he's completely different if that was it.

I do know that once Glenn Beck, when he was on CNN, had Georgy Noory on to promote George's book. To return the favor, George had him on his show for about half an hour, to promote Glenn's book. It was kind of amusing because every second sentence Noory was saying things like "I want to make it perfectly clear that I don't agree with a lot of this book" etc., etc. It was a pretty poor promotion job and Beck was getting a bit pissed off. I think he gets along with Beck but thinks he is a whack job. I got that impression from the interview.

Anyway, I haven't heard Beck's name yet.

I don't think either of them are Beck fans, but they are both pretty libertarian type conservatives.

I'm still listening to the YouTube and still haven't heard Glenn Beck's name.

I really think you could be mistaken. Was it late at night when you listened to it? Or, let me know when the name Glenn Beck came up and I will try to check it on Streamlink.

George talked about his rise to fame from "nowhere", etc. Henry was the one who really seemed to favor Beck. George WAS a bit more reserved about it. I'll find the section. It was late at night, and I do tend to drift off, but I was wide awake for that part.

You know William Henry lives in Nashville? Have you ever been there and seen the reproductions?

George is not a fan of Glenn Beck's politics. But he never says anything bad about anyone. And, he does get along with Beck to a certain extent.

I don't really know about William Henry. (???)

I was just in Nashville and went to Centenniel Park, where the Parthenon is, and took some pictures. I did not go inside to see the Athena. I'm going back in November and hope to see it then. Here are a couple of pictures



Here is a red tailed hawk on top of a griffin at the corner of the Parthenon. I didn't even realize what it was until I got home and got it up on the computer.

That is awesome. You catch some of the most interesting images.

I can't even imagine what that building must be like. Does it serve a purpose or is it intended as a museum? There was also mention of a large park there? What is that?

It's great because you can see the Parthenon from the main drag, West End Avenue, but it is set WAY back. There are no trees on the big lawn, so as to get the whole view. It is set back from the street at least several hundred yards. At night it is lit. The Parthenon is huge--absolutely. It is a full scale replica. I think they used original casts from London, etc. There is at least one large pond near the Parthenon, with lots of birds. I was there pretty early in the morning--otherwise I might not have caught all the birds there.

Anyway, they do use the Parthenon as an art museum. Originally it was for Nashville's Centenniel celebration in the 1890s. Then it was rebuilt to make in permanent in the 1920s. The Athena is way more recent. That is what I want to see.

I can't figure out what Henry is talking about at the state capital. I guess I will have to look. Sometimes I think Henry sees thing that aren't really there, and, believe me, I generally like symbols. He seems like a sort of sweet person. I have no idea why he would like Beck.

The federal capitol in D.C. I posted a link to the fresco. I haven't studied it yet. I can spot Poseidon easily.

Here it is >



Washington is supposedly in the painting wearing a purple robe.

Henry almost had me ready to move to Nashville after one of his shows with George. Are the people there, um, enlightened? Or? Hip? Something? I DO/DID like Henry a lot! But this Beck thing has me puzzled.

Something about the front of the state capital--the lawn. I have no idea what he is talking about at the state capital. Maybe I will try to check it out when I go back to Nashville.

Before you think about moving to Nashville, keep in mind that Frist is from Nashville! I guess there are all different types of people from Nashville--just like all cities.

Henry seems sweet, and has a soothing voice, but some of the stuff he spouts out on seems to be from the inner workings of his mind, you know? I just can't always follow the logic. I like to skip steps, too, but not THAT many steps.

I missed that part. Wikipedia has a few pictures.

I have been worrying for a while now that some of my favorite paranormal/alternative thinkers might be just a lighter side of the right-wing crazies. I had my suspicions about George Noory for a while but I had no idea William Henry was the Beck type of guy until I too heard the exact exchange you laid out in your OP. To be honest, I figured Noory gave a lot of time to the anti-government conspiracy theorists of all kinds because it was his job, but now I am not so sure. Being a bit conspiracy minded myself I wonder if some of the alternative-style programs and researchers might be being utilized as a vehicle to get people outside mainstream hard right sources (like Fundy Churches and Gun groups) to become part of the right wing fold and vote against our best interests and for the big corporations just like the rest? When I think of it, whenever the "Illuminati" is discussed it isn't in any context of the giant corporations. And even Linda Moulton Howel gave a short anti-tax speech when I heard her on repeat last night, these people are always anti-tax, but they don't spend a lot of time talking about better ways our taxes should be used in helping citizens rather than supporting the black budget operations.

I have become quite worried about Beck-style infiltration through people like Alex Jones and others in turning people who think outside the mainstream paradigm into simple right wing tools for a while now. I am CONVINCED Alex Jones is just a RW tool, whether he knows it or not. He is a good one because he was anti-Bush, so people can believe he isn't into the Neo-con crap, but he could be feeding it unknowing followers just the same. Bottom line is that I don't see some of these people I used to like giving the President a chance, and I see them actively trying to paint him as just as evil as George Bush and Dick Cheney simply by virtue of being President. Not to mention that Noory pays too much homage to Christianity for my taste without enough questions. And it seems he has some die-hard Christian callers (not of the benign Episcopal or Methodist variety).

I used to subscribe to Whitley Strieber's site because I enjoyed his online radio show (which he took over from Art Bell years ago). But after he came out with a book about "Islamic Extremists" taking over the world and imposing Sharia Law; after he had claimed for years to believe that Bush's administration had something to do with 911, it caused me to quickly question his credibility. I didn't read the book because it sounded like so much rw rubbish, but it appeared to me that once it became apparent that a Democrat was going to be elected President, he may have turned tail and set that Democrat up to be wrong and the ubber right-wing as profits with a "fear the Muslims" book that sounded like a plot for Dick Cheney's wet dreams; and the followers on his bulletin board just lapped it up and forgot about the entire Bush administration. Once again, I didn't read it but was suspicious. Some people tried to question Strieber's obvious change in opinion but they were totally shut down by his unquestioning followers on his message board and told they were just wrong in what Strieber had thought all along, (I guess no matter what the archives there would say). Now this is all just my opinion, and I could be flat wrong.

Just my rant, thanks Why Syzygy for this topic, it has been on my mind for MONTHS. It's like once a Democrat became President these guys that I used to have some trust in suddenly changed their entire operations so that they could pretend the past eight years didn't exist and destroy the current President. I do not believe knee-jerk attempts to destroy whoever gets elected are the way to go in a democracy. I have felt very let down.

Although Noory is a NWO type guy, to some extent I am too. Henry is just a guest on the show so I wouldn't read too much into that. And, believe me, I heard it when Noory had Beck on the show once, and even I was uncomfortable at how much he was separating himself from the guest. Having said that, Jerome Corsey is a bit much, UGH!! He knows how to put on that Harvard patina, but we know what is inside.

Now, Richard Hoagland is a regular guest and so is David Sereda, and they are both unabashedly Democrats, and Noory lets them both go on and on about it.

at least George Noory gives time to Hoagland and some of the others (I love listening to Richard Hoagland). I didn't hear him with Beck, it is good to know he wasn't biting on that insanity.

But I do believe a number of the alternative thinkers out there are being used to attack the President with bs, whether they know it or not. I have begun to wonder if it isn't a bit of a contelpro operation.

All this alternative stuff brings out the kooks, for sure. The serious UFO researchers get a bit sick of it.

I don't think there is any kind of conspiracy. And remember that even Tom Hartman goes on Alex Jones sometimes. Alex is a bit extreme for my taste (understatement), but he liked Cynthia McKinney, etc.

But Alex Jones is extremely harmful, IMO. Love Tom Hartman, but he will (and easily can) debate anyone, he's good and fearless, LOL!

But I don't think he is part of any conspiracy or anything. He just is who he is. Yea, Alex likes Tom Hartman and they have very cordial conversations. Alex and Tom concentrate on their similarities when they are talking, while noting their differences as an aside. I haven't heard them "debate" on anything.

And, Alex also gets along with Alec Baldwin......not exactly a conservative, LOL. Alec is a bit crazy too, though.

enemies as he does followers. When he was on his violence kick, I would have agreed. He's dangerous if he calls for action, and people follow his advice. That's something else I always mention when something about him is posted on the other boards. DO NOT TAKE ACTION based on anything Alex Jones says.

The biggest worry is that approval from Noory might influence his listeners to accept Beck.

I don't trust AJ. He *might* have some valid information. But he is a shady character at best. At least he has stopped waving his gun around and rallying up violence; instead speaking out against it as the worst possible option. His siding with the militant preacher, Andersen was nauseating. It wouldn't surprise me at all if AJ is an agent provocateur. In fact if someone on the big boards mentions him, I always post that he is an AP. I feel better about challenging anything he says rather than endorsing it.

I listen to a lot of stuff, but remain detached. There is no one I buy into 100%. Skepticism is the by-word. Someone on the Icke forum posted a big thread about all the Jesuit trained public personalities. Noory was included. I draw no conclusions from that. I listen to/read everything, but buy into very very little. One thing it does mean, is that he got a good education. And I appreciate him! If it weren't for his show we wouldn't be exposed to so much alternative thought.

I'm like you and think it is the right tactic. Listen with caution.

I listen to a LOT of stuff too, and if it weren't for Art Bell years ago I wouldn't have discovered alternative ways of viewing spirituality at all, besides the UFO stuff I love. I think Noory is a good guy, he just strikes me as that, but like you I worry about him lending legitimacy to the wrong kind, like Beck. He might not have been in a position to protest his education, parents tend to make those decisions for their kids after all.

I try to pick out what makes sense and separate it from the rest. Some researchers just "buy in" to certain political ideas with lip service but the information they have regarding alternative topics is wonderful. Then there are the Alex Joneses out there, who I agree with you completely on.

I thought about PM'ing the link for the David Wilcock film I posted, suggesting you watch the next time your husband has a tv night. It is a perfect antidote to all the other *scary* stuff we listen to. Hope you get a chance to see it.

will bookmark.

The guest adored Glenn Beck. George Norry did not; George was polite but was not buying into what Glenn was selling.

Thought I had re-listened to that part, but I'm multi-tasking and missed it.

His opinion puts a barrier up to how much I can agree with William Henry.

The worst thing, as GTRO mentions, is that so many people look up to Noory. He is a big influence, and if he endorses a Beck type, (some) people will be swayed or reinforced.

Noory, however, is an ass. Whether he supported the Beck praise or not, I can't stand the man. (I have my reasons.) Didn't hear this show, though.

I'm listening to Ian Punnitt's replay right now. I like Ian. He's a good host.

And I like Art Bell. Always. And lots. Art's an Obama man, BTW. Used to be a Libertarian, but ever since the birth of his daughter, he's changed his tune. He was on live from the Philippines for a little while last night, until the storms in Manila knocked him off the air. It was good to hear his voice in the night again.

Alex Jones is another one I can't stand. I highly suspect him of being a disinformation agent. If not, he's just plain wacko.

I think AB is still libertarian, sort of. He just saw what a complete disaster GWB was, knew the libertarian had no chance, and liked Obama's style. I do think age and circumstances have mellowed him somewhat. I admire his geeky/ham radio background and knowledge. He's just not on much now.

I'd actually love to hear why you can't stand George Noory. I can sure make that argument. He likes Jerome Corsi, for one thing. He doesn't seem to have much discernment there. And I shake my head over that!! But to balance that out, I want to point out one thing. He is almost always considerate of his listeners, even if they are crazy. He will take extra time on the phone if someone clearly and legitimately needs help. He even takes numbers off the air to try to get back to people that need help. And, yes, he has all these ads about gold on his show, and then what does he do? He tells people to just invest a small percentage of their money in gold--which goes against the needs of the advertiser. He doesn't want his ads to overly influence people's investments. So, he has a sense of responsibility. He has some wacky, far out ideas, but then, that is why I listen to him. I know that, and automatically know that about 25% of what he throws out there is complete garbage. That doesn't really bother me, for some reason.

Here is my favorite thing about Noory. "Follow the money." He never stops reminding the audience of that. I never remember hearing Ian or Art saying that.

Probably Ian has the actual viewpoints closest to mine. He is semi-funny, and a good interviewer. He has time to read people's books. So I like him, but his shows are a bit too down to earth for what I am really looking for a lot of the time, and he tries to hurry the listeners' questions a bit too much.

I guess what I am saying is I often like the risky, edgy shows a bit better than the mainstream ones, both for entertainment value and the potential to learn something different. I think that AUTOMATICALLY means that a goodly percentage of them will actually slip over the edge. It is about risk taking. When someone takes more risks, they are going to have more failures. It is a math thing. Since I like the riskier shows, I will tolerate the failures. And that pretty much sums up my feeling about George Noory.

I promise you he is not a fan of Glenn Beck's politics. But he is not going to offend Beck's listeners.

Don't agree with him on all things. I think his admiration of Jordon Maxwell is misplaced! Something's just not right about JM. Did you hear the Ouija board show?

Ian is alright. But to me he lacks the edge George has. I like all of them other than that woman they had auditioning one time. Unfortunately, she interviewed Gregg Braden, one of my favorites. After one of the callers complimented her voice, she wouldn't SHUT UP! I hate a host who talks more than the guest.

Art was in a world of discovery with those. I heard the first one and another he made a couple of years later. By the time I got hooked on the show, Art was mostly gone. But he was broadcasting from Nevada when I lived out there.

Looks like we all agree on AJ. He doesn't even bother to substantiate his claims. This weekend he was hollering about Obama being the "president of the world" due to the USA serving our leadership time at the UN. :eyes: