"Spiral UFO Puts Norway In A Spin"

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This is a pretty massive event witnessed by thousands. I'll post more here as I come accross it.

Jay

What an impressive sight!

It looks like a left handed spiral. That's good!

STRENGTHENS us.

A right handed spiral weakens us.

You can test this with applied kinesiology (muscle response testing).

I even have a source for this (though I have tried it myself).

"Amazing and Wonderful Mind Machines You Can Build"

G. Harry Stine

That book is my FAVE!!

Beautiful! :)

what makes crop circles

I keep thinking of the "disclosure" we keep hearing about...is the "Stargate" part of opening our consciousness collectively to the possibility that we have ET neighbors, who are probably pretty aware of what we are up to. By just manifesting and not being anything but a LIGHT anomaly - we are forced to look into it - rather than try to shoot at it

(edit to add, after reading the article, duh!: I hope it happens again! and what are the chances this could be how the polar shift begins to manifest? maybe we are going to see little vortices popping up all over...?)
I will be very interested to see how this unfolds...
And let's think about the whole spiral metaphor too. It isn't a cross, it is a circle...symbolizing unity and not division, it is a archetypical way for us all to begin to see our interconnections across the cosmos and in our own spirits as openings, not conflicts.
(that just 'came through')
wow, just wow

so what i am thinking is that they are using symbols and circles especially and the spiral to "remind" us that we are evolving through the spiral of consciousness...and it will call to our spirits and either open us up to it or give us a choice point for which "earth" we will end up on when the dust settles...

hmmmm

Enough to make you wonder even more about the connection :)

spira (spiral) - coil
spirare (spirit) - to breathe

I have also noticed the spiral used in illustrations of out of body experiences (OBE). The Monroe Insitute uses one in their logo, and I never knew the connection until now.

This is a brilliant sighting and a wonderful photo! I'll have to look at the article and see if any others photos have shown up :D

instead of a logarithmic spiral ;)

I have a book on Sacred Geometry that I've never read and only used for reference, like now. The helix is used to denote those spirals of life and Nature, especially fluids, like whirlpools and hurricanes.

I watched that video and my impression is if this was a craft, then what we were seeing was whatever it does to open a "stargate" and travel through. Light simply does not act that way, nor in such a perfect and slow spiral! That looked more like some form of energy being emitted to create their gate. It is interesting how slow it did work and that it spiraled to make it happen. Not physics we're familiar with! :o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCuxZm9Mm4k&feature=related

:D

I see a representation of a barred spiral galaxy like this:



Maybe a rudimentary map. :shrug:

Jay

Beautiful. Thanks for this info. :)

That is amazing. Such a precise spiral...makes me wonder...

Truer words were never spoken: "It's ironic that something like this should happen the very week after the MoD terminated its UFO project. It just goes to show how wrong that decision was." Almost like a
:rofl:

is that they rarely shut down right away!!! ;)

I'll bet that they are still in a position to study this sighting and add it to whatever other information is getting mothballed...

There's "shut down" and there's "gone underground". And I doubt any government would leave themselves open to "attack" (:eyes:) by anybody, even hypothetical aliens.

where they've had to be constantly on the lookout for the Russians, back when it was the USSR, but I doubt their military ever completely stopped trawling in Norway's waters, either...

Aliens are good...we are your friends...give us your beer, all of your beer...=tap tap tap= is this thing on? Dang..."

I remember in the book "The Gentle Giants of Ganymede" that coca-cola was like strong alcohol to their biochemistry :P

Best give it to them now, lest the spiral become angry.

Oh, even with great special effects, I've managed to screw it up. Durn...

:rofl:

In looking at the second image linked in the OP, I see a snail.

Q1. Is the second image an art piece? The spiral is quite perfect

Q2. Was this seen in Denmark? Interesting timing.

Are we as sure as we can be that this is not a hoax? Just checking.
And ..wow wow WOW. That is so COOL. Now I'm all excited.
Thanks for sharing!!! I know we wouldn't have heard about this any other way.

get the right youtube channels.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkx7myyAk4s

http://www.facebook.com/pages/David-Wilcock/142090264548?ref=nf

David Wilcock We are absolutely overwhelmed with messages about the spiral in Norway. This will be the main discussion on my radio show with Kerry Cassidy of Project Camelot tomorrow night. It is clearly manmade and shows other countries pushing Disclosure to the forefront... they are tired of waiting. Obama gets his Nobel Prize tomorrow in the same country...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flPKe2MhWn4&feature=PlayList&p=F24909B645868067&index=0

I am listening to his interview with Project Camelot right now on Youtube and he says there is a HARP facility where this spiral was seen and it appears to correspond with the energy HARP would put out and that there is no way a rocket would have produced this (for all kinds of intelligent reasons my right-side dominated brain will just take his word for).

Very cool interview so far.

I never thought it was anything extraterrestrial because the light source looked to come directly from some place on the earth. And, the Russia missile thing sounded too convenient and unrealistic to me like saying it was a weather balloon. The patterns in the sky were way to elaborate. I'm sure their have been other Russian missile misshapes before. And, if this was a natural occurrence for one of those, why hadn't anything like that been seen before? These were my thought about it...so, I guess I'll going over to YouTube. :- D

a Project Blue Beam "production."

You won't believe the detail from this, esp. with the column of light that was coming out of the spiral to the right. At first husband and I thought it was a spotlight, but he knows about lighting effects and says that as far as he knows there is not a way to make that effect from one spot..it would be obvious that it came from many spotlights. Also, the detail in this video shows a spiral effect in the light trail itself.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIg5eczY5Ms

I heard on the regular old local news (why even have it on local news in Ky?) that it was a "failed Russian rocket launch".

Damn, those Russians screw up pretty!!! LOL! }(

Nice cover story, I am sure NO ONE in Norway has ever seen a Russian rocket launch, failed or otherwise, right?

a sort of Russian equivalent to HAARP.

Weather-war "shot over the bow"? Signal to the President of some sort?

Interesting stuff going on.

Awes me...but in a good way.

I have had dreams about very similar things in the skies....wow.

Just wow.

the navigation warning was even released last night at the RM show.

Like 95% of all UFOs this one has a very pedestrian explanation...

:-)

How does a rocket launch make a spiral light tail?

how does a failed rocket launch manage to discharge propellant from both ends of it without blowing up much earlier in flight?

Also, for that matter, how do you get a perfect, circular spiral seen exactly the same way from all angles of observation? And how did it get perfectly circular like that to begin with? I've seen the "examples" others have given of failed launches taking a spiral path. They are far from perfectly formed, easily distinguished as rocket failures even by the untrained eye. I've seen enough NASA footage over the decades of failed launches. Nothing came close to this.

and the no fly zone was posted on the interwebs.

By the way 95% of all UFOs are pretty pedestrian and terran in origin... now there is this 5% that nobody can 'splain. But this one is a failed rocket lunch... and when they blow up they do weird stuff.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IFLH8GzQh4&feature=player_embedded

Much more pedestrian don't you think? Look at this picture:



Look at how far out from the central object the spiral extends. It's many, many degrees across. That's an enormous distance for an ejecta to cover and still be visible at such distance at the same time as the main event. Also, what exactly was it ejecting? ...and from both ends? The supposed failed missile uses solid fuel motors. Look at it's symmetry. Did the rocket reach the vacuum of sub-orbital flight? If it didn't then the ejecta would become dis-uniform and dissipate as it radiated away from the central object. If it did, how did it halt it's ballistic motion in order to spin around and vent itself. Finally, if this was a failed missile test, why isn't there more outrage over the fact that Russia is testing ICBMs so close to Norway? The reaction of the Norwegian populace tells me they don't see this kind of thing often. Yet, it's treated as big meh. Might lead one to believe that they are working so hard on obfuscation that they are missing the elephant in the room.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RSM-56_Bulava

It's just not adding up for me.

Jay

but they had the use of airspace warning that matches in time and region of air space.

This has happened in the past in oh about the same area and of course for decades the USSR would no admit to failures and the CIA loved the UFO cover.

Now the other 5% that nobody can explain, they are part of something... that we may not be able to explain right now (and could be pedestrian) or as I like to joke, it is the Anthro class from Gliesse 56-C coming for their annual visit of the planet. I mean we must make very entertaining study subjects.

And yes, there is life out there, and yes if they are advanced enough they are probably traveling FLT... just because we cannot do it... does not mean somebody else cannot.

Now the ones you posted over Moscow, either extremely good special effects... or they may fall in that 5%. Not enough info to conclude anything.

Oh and I am actually generous. Skunk Works used to have a saying (an engineer) Those UFOs are your taxes at work.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIg5eczY5Ms

A rocket does that? Please point me to similar footage of a rocket doing that. Would love to see it; this effect is beautiful.

by all definitions it may be a UFO... unidentified flying object... that is the definition.

95% of them are terran in origin, and that is that.

It is the other 5%... and if you wish to believe this is part of that five percent, that is fine with me. I know that this fits what missiles at times do, and no I don't have time to go look for video, or a need to prove a thing.

Now as I said, I do not say that there is absolutely no life outside of this world. In fact, given the current state of science it is 100% that there is life somewhere out there, hell even in this solar system. Mars is still possible, and damn it Europa we are just looking at it.

Intelligent Life, Drake Equation...

and that is that.

To me the explanation that this is a failed missile is pretty good... and 95% of events have a pretty pedestrian explanation, after all.

But you haven't addressed the physics we are seeing in this.

How can a rocket failure make a perfectly circular spiral, and one that is observed in that configuration from multiple angles?

What rocket failure have you ever heard of or seen footage of where the propellant is being ejected from both ends of the rocket or booster at the same time? Also, look at the video footage again on that close-up: neither side of the propellant is pointing to the rear of travel, and none of the trail has the characteristics of that propellant. (By the way, the video is only a couple of minutes long, less time than it takes to write a good and in-depth post on DU.)

What rocket or booster explosion ever takes out all of the components with no debris trail or falling pieces?

What kind of propellant leaves a glowing-blue trail instead of the usual chemical-saturated smoke or water-vapor-laden trail, as from liquid propellants, like a hydrogen/oxygen mix?

Address these points and the others people have given here and we will give more credence to the "official" story. Otherwise, you're not convincing anyone of the "probabilities" ;)

it is not for me to prove a thing.

We have a closed air space notice...

We have a history of failures in this area of air space. And yes rocket fuels in very specific circumstances do weird things. Hell as a medic I saw some weird things as well...

If you chose to BELIEVE there is nothing I can do otherwise. It does fall in the category of... religion. I cannot prove or disprove the existence of god... and this is in the same category.

And I keep saying this 95% (and it is probably HIGHER) since MOST UFOs have a pretty pedestrian and ahem HUMAN or other natural phenomena origin. That is that. Hell, I have seen a UFO or two in my life time.

One MIGHT be in that very small percentage of those that cannot be explained... or perhaps it could be explained by human or other natural ways. I was seven, I remember it, and it happened at OVNI central in Mexico City. Light, intense light at three in the morning, no sound... The other one... I am pretty sure it was Aurora... not that I could go around and tell you with certainty it was. After all Aurora is not acknowledged... and as a Skunk Worlds Engineer used to say... those UFOS are your taxes at work.

And yes I am the first one to not only admit that other beings will be able to do what we can't. But this one event is not in that category... at least in my view.

is that they only state what facts they have or choose to dispense. They do not bother to explain anything. That alone would get rid of many of the beliefs about what this was or was not. Why is that so difficult to grasp?

So, keep reiterating the percentages as that appears to be the only "explanation" you've got. I want more, and the official story, plus or minus those percentages, isn't delivering it.

I am a skeptic at heart and given the TECHNICAL issues on crossing the black ocean... the burden is on those who claim Aliens are behind this.

Yes I WRITE sci fi for a living and what actual SCIENTISTS say about this matter is true... until we have ACTUAL evidence that is more tangible than some images in the sky... as in actual tangible, I can touch, kind of evidence.

And yes if these are aliens... WHY are they coming to Earth NOW?

That is the first question. And the answers I have yet to see.

So as I said, I cannot prove the existence of god, or how many angels dance on the head of a pin.

I have a no fly zone notice and a history that is far more tangible. This is not sufficient for you, fine, have a good life and keep believing.

That does not mean I am not going to deny life is out there... yes, yes it is out there... given Panspermia is pretty much now confirmed... and intelligent life... Drake comes to mind.

As a fiction writer I can come with 1000 reasons for Aliens to cross that black ocean and come to Earth. ranging from the classic take me to your leader, all the way to the Anthro class from Gliesse 55-C... alas that is FICTION and I have yet to see tangible evidence. Not that I don't expect it, just that in my lifetime the chances are pretty small...

And lord knows I have read a lot of material in the UFO community and have been ahem curious from the age of seven, see that experience? I also know that there are events that WE CANNOT EXPLAIN... alas this is not one of them. And that is that. There are few that we cannot, a few still open cases from Blue Book, and a few, like the lights in the sky over Phoenix (for which there is no record, historical or otherwise. of anything happening that might actually explain it)

As to percentages... sorry... this is what those in the know use. You know the Radar and SCIENCE types. The type that keep going... sure, possible, where is the actual evidence?

Have a good one, and keep believing. For me for THIS EVENT there is a history, and an explanation. It may not be sufficient to you, ok... where is the evidence?

also normally explain why they have massive failures with their launch vehicles. I can't think of any NASA launch that failed catastrophically where they didn't tell everyone that would listen why it happened the way it did, where the failure occurred, who manufactured that particular part and so on. Now, being as how this was a Russian launch and they have been used to keeping things quiet on such things for decades, we may never know the full story. That is what I want: the full story. Stating only that it was a failed launch explains nothing!

So, where are the "radar and science types" on that very important aspect? If you have links, post them, because the searches I've tried (NASA sites) haven't come up with anything pertinent.

You know, I don't think I've ever said that I'm entirely "sure" this is of alien origin. Only that whatever it was does not appear to be any kind of launch failure with which I'm familiar. And, having lived in the NASA-Johnson Space Center area for much of my life, I've been exposed to the why's and how's of many aspects related to launching man-made objects and people into space. You may write your science, fiction or otherwise, while I've talked to the people that have gone into orbit and the engineers that made that possible. I understand enough about the science of rocket launches to question this one.

mentioned Russian HAARP. If that's true, it explains the phony cover story. The truth is always stranger than fiction. TPTB don't care if 'we' believe in alien life forms. But if you whisper 'government conspiracy', they come with the attack hounds. JFK was a 'conspiracy theorist'. Did you know?

That's interesting, to say the least :)

I have no idea if this is a conspiracy or what. But I will ask questions and I expect answers that fully explain what is happening, not simply "it was a failed rocket launch." So was Challenger, if you put it that simply :eyes:

google paralax effect... that is what you are seeing.

And that is your physics by the way.

As to Conspiracy theories...this is not one.

As another astronomer put it, most folks these days do not know what they see in the sky. Same goes for monster quest. Most of the critters they are chasing are fantastic. No doubt they will find ONE that will be real, but most of them do fall in the category of city slickers don't know what is out there in them wilds.

If anything, this is the antithesis of that effect, from what I've read, and know now that I have a label to put to an effect I have observed all my life.

And stop bringing up conspiracy theories. I've said nothing of the sort. I only have questions, and those are not being answered to my satisfaction. I don't see them as particularly difficult questions to answer, either. But, neither I, nor anyone else, have all the facts, with detailed explanations. That's all I'm asking. I don't understand the problem with someone supplying them.

:P :P :P :P :P

;)

collected from melting permafrost swamps that were to be paved over to make way for new IKEA stores :P

:hi:

a bit of the alternative theory re Russian HAARP.

http://www.youtube.com/user/webbotproject#p/c/EC697FC0AB729E7C/3/ug_wtFlq1Ts

I liked the first half, but the second half was just more fear-mongering. Still, it was interesting :)

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread526637/pg1



Sounds as plausible as anything else I've read. :shrug:


Jay

Did SOMETHING to the Moscow test. Thanks for posting this. Norway has been completely silent on this. And, the big question is, as the author stated, why did Moscow take credit? It is entirely implausible that a failed Russian test did this. And it took place close to a HAARP type facility, hardly a coincidence.

You would think this would be discussed in our media. They could have scientists commenting on it, etc. Lots of Norwegians know English very well.......they could be interviewed. I wonder if anyone is clamping down on the media? It's possible.........

Thanks for posting.

Maybe somebody is experimenting with cranking the emitted waves out of radio and into higher-level energy waves, activating plasma into the visible spectrum.

It still doesn't strike me as an exploded missile. Whereas emitted em radiation would have a defined, likely symmetrical pattern. Still doesn't explain the spiral spin, though...

But I do not buy the official story. Failed rocket launches don't look like that.

It's a bit like "swamp gas." :rofl:

a picture essay :hi:

Jean Hudon from earthrainbownetwork.com wrote TODAY some interesting comments about it and also asked Suzy Ward, Matthew's mother, what his thoughts were and she replied him:

"Matthew says this is the most profound sign yet from our brothers and sisters in other civilizations that the time is nearing for their presence to be properly acknowledged -- there is no way that those who do not want that to happen can explain away this dramatic sign. The overall spiral represents the unbroken interconnectedness of all souls from our Beginnings in the light -- the intense light at the center -- and the blue spiral aimed at Earth is the most forceful evidence to date of their desire for us to consciously connect with them in the same spirit they have come. The timing and location are significant, selected to mark the awarding of the Nobel Peace Prize to US President Obama for his vision and dedication to achieving world peace and to indicate that they are here to assist us reach this goal."

:P

:P

:evilgrin:

And quite interesting ones too. :-)

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"awarding of the Nobel Peace Prize to US President Obama for his vision and dedication to achieving world peace"

I know that many say that everyone lives in their own reality, but come on! How on earth (or off it) has Obama had a vision and dedication to achieving world peace when he just escalated a WAR?
Sorry, guess my mind doesn't stretch that far right now.
Fail. (at least as far as I'm concerned; I don't intend to speak for anyone else).

I'm very skeptical that a lot of channeled information is valid (that is an understatement). However, everyone here is capable of using their own critical thinking skills to evaluate it, so, no worries.

Let's put it this way--Matthew's "opinion" on what this spiral thing is adds nothing to the discussion--FOR ME.

Matthew is irrelevant for me at all times.
But gotta say, this one takes the prize for out of touch with reality.
Suzie channels Matthew. Maybe Matthew is channeling David Wilcock.

caveat: I really like DW even though I disagree with his Obama opinion.

winds one down a notch...onlty to escalate another.
bans torture...and then continues rendition, so torture can continue out of sight; out of mind.

However, I understand what Matthew is saying and agree with him. (Full disclosure for the record: I have been in contact with Suzy, Matthew's mother who channels him, and I have found her to be a lovely, sincere woman who strives to accurately communicate her deceased son's messages.)

Matthew is seeing what's in Obama's heart and in his long-range vision--that he WANTS to help achieve world peace and in the long run plans to do so. I have said this before, and I can't repeat it often enough: Obama is walking a fine line between doing what is right and good for this country (which is what he wants as well) and what the rest of TPTB want. Remember that he is only one man, and he is up against a MOUNTAIN of resistance--publicly (the Repubs and Faux Nooz) and not-so-publicly (those pesky folks behind the scenes who are pulling everyone's strings).

Yes, Obama has just escalated the war in Afghanistan. It's not what he wanted to do. But in the interest of "give some, get some" and (let's not forget) to keep himself and his family safe, he's not going to act like the dictator that Bush wanted to be and say "my way or the highway". Now, whether he'll be able to make some inroads in the future with TPTB and achieve what he and the rest of us want...well, we'll just have to send him light every day so we can bring about that reality.

Obama is not the enemy. Other members of the gov't, openly and behind the scenes, are.

but I guess my naivete motivates me to say..why so complicated? And can't he give some small indication of his intentions to those of us who need to see that he hasn't betrayed these ideals? AND was he so naieve himself to NOT know what he was getting into in the first place? Why put yourself on the sacrificial altar of the American Presidency if one is not prepared to BE THE SACRIFICE? Do we need to revert to the idea of the seven-year "king"/one-year "king"? If he is so smart as to understand what he was getting into; and is trying to play chess with his opponents; then why not find a way to make it a failing move to attack his family? Surely if he's smart enough to play this game he's smart enough to do that. This opossum game is understandable in the framework of what I know to be the political 'reality' inside the beltway and on the world conflict stage; but isn't the definition of insanity doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result? At least he could have been a little less contradictory in his message..this is NOT 'change'. I'm sure his brilliant advisers could have come up with a different way to frame his message without making him look like he's talking out of two sides of his mouth at one time. And what he is allowing and doing is just so...depressing; in every sense of that word. I'm of the mind that any one who was elected; YES McCain included; would have been pressed to issue stimulus funds to help the programs that have been helped...they couldn't have afforded for the public to go completely starving and homeless (not that many aren't close to it now - but they know how to walk that fine line between just barely enough and making a real difference {read:spending money that needs to go elsewhere}).

Okay, Obama is not the enemy. But he chose to be the face of it. It was a choice, one that he supposedly researched and prepared for. Does everyone seriously expect me to believe he didn't see this coming, when WE could all see this kind of resistance? Is he not capeable of reading a message board, for example; gathering information and making his own decisions? If he's not; then that's kind of scary. We know Bush was a puppet, does this mean we just elected another one? We can't have it both ways. Either he was sheltered, naieve, or too brainwashed/confident to find out what he was getting into; or he's extremely brilliant beyond all reason and expecting us to trust him in a slightly messianic manner. I was of the understanding that there are no more 'messiahs' except ourselves.

We need a show of good faith from him. Pick an issue and be more transparent about it; or be more transparent about why you can't live up to your campaign promises about it. I don't see how telling us clearly that what you originally wanted for a particular issue is not and probably won't happen, and saying a bit of a 'mea culpa' or apology (whether it's really his fault or not) would be such a bad chess move. But I guess I'm not as in-tune or as brilliant as all those people inside the beltway, Obama himself; or others who are in touch with higher consciousness.

Or, why doesn't he get someone in his administration to be a little more transparent/be more accountable/make a move that, for heaven's sakes, doesn't look like he's giving away the farm (and half of his neighbor's) to those 'dark' interests, if he himself cannot waver from this 'act'?

They have to throw us a bone, or not be surprised when there is either a general revolt; a base that does not re-elect either him or the Dem senators (if he or they're going to 'reveal' their great good intentions; they have less than six months to do it in to ensure a continuing majority); or a general malaise of non-caring and non-responding.

..and maybe that's the plan. But I think if he's of such pure heart that Matthew and David believe in him; then he should have, in all honor; turned down the Nobel Prize. Seriously. I think it would have been an honorable and brilliant move. And I really don't see the huge amount of political fallout that would have ensued from such an action. But maybe I'm just blonde. :)

Oh--and IF the plan from our ascencion/path to higher conciousness is to get us to give up and not care (therefore forcing us to use our own guidance), fine-but then don't continue to tell me in channelings how pure of heart Obama is,and how he doesn't want to do these things - it does not matter, in that case, does it? I don't need my attention continually re-directed at a leader when it is my self I should be following; and if we are all to look to ourselves and each other on this level to move forward; then it does not serve anyone to continue to hold him in a place where he is a 'leader' in our minds. What he is representing is not and example that we need to be following; unless those who are channeled are advocating that we all hide our true selves; say one thing and do something else. Does this mean we are all in danger of the sort Obama and his family would be in if we were to act our true selves? Why continue to draw our attention to this when we need to be paying attention to what our own higher selves are telling us? I understand that Suzy must field a million questions from people that are not ready to trust themselves and who feel they need assurance that their leader is a good person..but after about a hundred assurances that he is,and then actions that contradict this on a daily basis; how on earth is such a reader supposed to NOT be conflicted about trusting their own inner guidance? And one could say if they are still asking about it, then they are not trusting their inner guidance and higher selves. So now part of the purpose of the given advice has been nullified. I don't doubt that Suzy is an earnest and honest channeler from what she is recieving..it is not her that I am doubting; nor even Matthew. It is really beyond that - I don't feel that the assurances needed to be made anymore. At this point either we trust ourselves or we don't. Either we trust our higher instincts and guidance or we don't. Sure, we all appreciate the input from the other side on a continuing basis, but making this assurance just 'cheapened' the channel needlessly/was a waste of time. Of course I am WELL aware this is JUST MHO.


The movement coming up to 2012/the Shift/our new way of being all says that we need to listen to ourselves; trust ourselves; be honest and true; release negativity from our life; be impeccable with our word. I don't recall reading that we as a group of humanity needed to play a game or hide our true selves away from everyone. Nor do I recall anyone saying that we should be expecting or following a leader in messianic style. This may label me as a 'purist'; but for goodness sakes..haven't the past several thousand years seen enough of compromising to the benefit of the dark sides of our nature? When does it stop?

Well, for me; it stops right here.

:hug:

Let me see if I can explain where I'm coming from....Let's use the example of health care. Obama wanted universal health care, right? And he introduced the idea. And then what happened? It got sliced and diced and mangled and trampled by...the House and Senate, along with the crazy conservative idiots shouting people down in town meetings. Now, if he stepped in and said "Hey! Cut it out! Make with the universal health care like I said!" Faux and the Repugs would have been all over him, calling him a fascist dictator. So he hung back. And they sliced and diced some more, until we ended up with nothing. But Obama recognizes that it's the corporations who are influencing the blocking congresscritters, so he moved to remove the influence of lobbyists. He's TRYING. Now, I'm not saying that he couldn't be doing more, but he can't just snap his fingers and turn this country into the far-left liberal utopia we're clamoring for. Just imagine all those fat middle-aged white men (congresscritters, CEOs, and behind-the-scenes TPTB) drawling, "Now, just hold on a danged minute, there, you young whippersnapper--who in the hell do you think you are, son?" Multiply them by a thousand, and their dark energy by a million, and you'll get an idea of what Obama is up against.

And as for war--well, who the heck knows all the ins and outs and back room deals going on? I'm not going to touch that one with a bargepole because it's a tangled mess. I don't like it any more than you do, however. I understand why Obama accepted the Nobel Peace Prize--because it's got clout. It's great to wave under Republicans' noses. Don't think they aren't bothered by it, because they most certainly are. It shows in how much noise they make about it--complaining that he doesn't deserve it. Plus by accepting the award, Obama is pledging to the world to be the kind of leader they're expecting (and we're expecting). Maybe we should see it as a promise instead of an award for a job already done (as we tend to see anything called a "prize").

And I'm not sure if this is a valid point, but I keep thinking about something I learned a long time ago (gods help me I don't know where I picked it up)--that whenever a president, Republican or Democrat, is elected, he comes in with all kinds of great ideas. And then, between the election and the inauguration, he's taken aside by TPTB, sat down, and told, in no uncertain terms, that really he IS just a puppet, and "this is the way it's gonna work." He's then informed that he had better toe the line or bad things could happen to him and his family. Example: the Kennedys. Is it true? I can't prove it. But I remember seeing Obama just before he was sworn in, and I'd swear he was terrified. "Scared straight" in other words. His energy had changed, he was somber but not "this is a big deal" kind of somber. He was DIFFERENT. I mentioned this back then, and others here on DU said no, that he was just absorbed in the gravity of the moment, but I stand by what I felt. I know what I saw, and dude was GREEN. He'd had his talking-to, and he was concerned as to how he was going to fulfill his campaign promises with all these fresh threats hanging over his head.

But you know what? This past year has taught me something--and interestingly enough, I've been thinking about it a lot in the past day or two, so it's fresh in my mind. It's this: It doesn't matter. None of it. I mean, it's good that we care about our country and we want it to be better. And we should continue to try to make it better every way we can. But beyond our immediate circle of selves, family, friends, neighborhood, our "active" influence (in beta) starts to wane, and the best we can do is send positive energy (in alpha) for the rest of the country, the world, and all our brothers and sisters the world over. And suddenly turning our backs on the guy who we feel is letting us down lowers that vibration.

I know it's hard. I know it's frustrating. I'm frustrated too. But it's only been a year. And the Republicans are rat bastards. I will be patient and I will live my life the best way I know how and try to send love out into the universe every day. Because it matters. :hug:

Here:
"It doesn't matter. None of it. I mean, it's good that we care about our country and we want it to be better. And we should continue to try to make it better every way we can. But beyond our immediate circle of selves, family, friends, neighborhood, our "active" influence (in beta) starts to wane, and the best we can do is send positive energy (in alpha) for the rest of the country, the world, and all our brothers and sisters the world over."

That's primarily what I'm saying. So why waste the importance of a clear channel on reassuring us about Obama? We need information on moving forward as individuals and as unified communities; since (as we agree) that is where we can make the most difference.
But I'm not turning my back..I'm just not going to give him the 'attention' of caring so much whether he is or isn't living up to his light potential. My light can be better used on those who are not so blocked, so as are more able to receive it - as you just said in the paragraph above. I'll always hold out hope that he will be able to do what he said he set out to do; and for him to be the best President that is possible for him to be - but I'm not going to spend a lot of time either actively front-mind hoping for it or lamenting that it isn't so.

With great power comes great responsibility. As to what you said before, about him being talked to and etc.; that was part of my point earlier - I really thought it was obvious that, as a President these days, one is primarily a puppet with little to no influence on the 'reality' of push and pull in the majority of things (unless one can work from the inside to change this; like we are 'hoping' he is doing). One could have figured that out from reading numerous boards and discussions here and other places on the internet; and from reading the news. It's pretty obvious. So my question remians..how did he not see that coming? I would have expected it myself. You can't tell me I'm more perceptive than the President of the USA. That's utter bullshit. I just don't buy that he was that naieve. If he was, then the joke's on us.

Of course there are back-room deals going on. Of course there are threats and lots of sword-of-Damocles-type stuff hanging over his head. One could figure that out from watching "Mr. Smith Goes To Washington"; even though that is more about the media influence than TPTB. I guess I figured that if *I * could see it, then anyone as smart and perceptive as Obama could. It's a given. It does follow that I therefore greatly admire anyone who, knowing this, still decides to put themselves on the sacrificial altar of our Presidency. What irritates me is the possibility that he really *was* that clueless. Yes, that's scary. And it means he may not be mentally or spiritually equipped to deal with the enormous darkness he has to try and light a candle in.

I understand your idea of the reasons for accepting the Peace Prize..but I guess I just wanted to see some indication of his real understanding of the irony of accepting that whilst going to war again. Just to gall some people is not a reason to let others die. I guess I'm saying I don't like someone playing chess when the pawns are actual soldiers & civilians; no matter what the outcome. It smacks of 'the ends justify the means'. We've lived by that long enough. Again, it's time for Change. If we don't start at this point, then where? If we don't start now, when? It would have been a great opportunity to say " This is a great honor; and I greatly appreciate it; but don't feel that it is appropriate at this time." Maybe we need to stop giving a shit what the Republicans think. That's gotten us in enough hot water already..just look at the health reform bill. And it didn't matter anyway - our own Dems were just as obstructionist as the GOP. Shaudenfraude doesn't look good on anyone. Besides; the Prize is going to have to be about fulfilling a promise..there's no other way to look at it. I really hate to say that.

I'll be patient also..there's no other way to be. Nothing will come by screaming into the darkness constantly except to empower the darkness. But I'm just a little irritated at the Universe for putting someone that, at this point seems to be powerless, in such a position - and putting him there so ill-equipped (from this point of view ONLY, of course!). Then the Universe keeps sending info through channels that he is a good person and pure of heart. It doesn't matter if he's pure or not; it's useless to us unless he reaches out and gives us an indication that he either needs or wants real help; and if he shows us that he means what he says - he has not done that in any meaningful way. He has not shown me that he is being true to himself. If he's too scared to, then he is not the right person for the job. Fear or love, remember? If we are expecting ourselves to live by this, then we should certainly expect our leaders to live by it also.

So right now I don't have any time to pay attention to what's going on with him..I'm to busy trying to help myself, my family, my friends; my community. And that's probably the way it should be.

I think Obama was naive, to a degree. But not because he didn't know what was going on. I think he actually thought he could be the one to overcome all this deep-seated corruption. So...hubris, perhaps? Hubris mixed with naivete gets you the shock of your life when you get a dose of the REAL reality (that even we aren't privy to).

Still, I don't think it's a waste of time to send Obama light. We still need to break up the dark forces. If, as so many channeled entities are saying, they're weakening, then now is the time to really blast them and, by association, boost Obama. He has a role to play. What I'm interested in seeing is whether he takes up the mantle or just hangs back and tries diplomacy as he's doing now.

That would take a huge, huge, HUGE amount of courage. After all, what happens to truth-tellers in this country? Ayup. And doubly so for truth-tellers of color. If he really stood up and did what we want him to do, he'd essentially be laying down his life for the country, no question. So I don't blame him for trying to find a less confrontational way of getting things done. He needs light for protection as well.

So I can only speak for myself--that I'm going to continue to send him light. We're in for more really rough times, and he--and everyone else--can use all the light any of us can muster. :hug:

about sending him light..as you can see, I'm just frustrated at the moment. I'll probably get over it pretty soon; and then have a lot of patience. It's the way of this Leo, LOL!! :hug:

How about this, then? What if we all send light toward D.C. and intend it to go where it's most needed--that way if Obama needs it, he'll get it, and at the same time we'll blast the dark forces? :)

Can do, fer shure!

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Are they?

I would really like to say what's on my mind. But I DO restrain myself. If you have a problem with others not following Matthew, perhaps you need to consider allowing us the same respect you expect.

I have an inner guidance system too. It has never failed me. People are either going to wake up to what Obama really is, or continue to tell themselves stories to make themselves feel more secure. It doesn't really matter to me. Fortunately there are people on the job who do see the reality and will make sure something happens to change the tide.

:biting my tongue big time: (I wish I had Celebration's gift of diplomacy.)

:P

Maybe it's the alcohol... :crazy: :hi:

but I am prepared to cut bait if it comes to that. There's a huge percentage at DU who agree with me. I've been told a majority, even though I don't see that.

:P

Leave me out of that, though; I'm a vegetarian ;)

I DON'T have a problem with others not following Matthew. If you'll note what I said in my earlier post, "I understand what Matthew is saying and agree with him." Operative word: "I". I tried to explain where Matthew was coming from, but I in no way demanded that anyone else agree with him. As I said, I would NOT do that.

Likewise, other channeled entities and seers posted here don't resonate with me, but I don't voice my opinion about them either, as other ASAHers like what they have to say, and I wouldn't stomp on their beliefs. To each his/her own. I don't care. There are plenty of visions to go around and to suit folks of every stripe.

I think we're going to have to agree to disagree about Obama. But I do find it sad that the :banghead: of the rest of DU is creeping into our little ASAH haven. That makes me sad.

resonate with every channeled being that's posted. Seems that way to me. And that's for you to decide. Your subject line was an accusation that someone here was telling you what to believe. And, of course, that you are so way above doing any sort of thing. Which you then proceeded to do.

I reserve the right to express my opinion. If you want to opt out of that option, that's up to you. ESPECIALLY when a CHANNELED BEING is used to justify political opinion, I MUST challenge "it". Folks can post Matthew's ascension messages all day long. And even though I don't agree with them, I won't make a peep. When it crosses the line into socio-political statements presented as 'fact', it becomes my responsibility to speak up. I feel the same burden when someone's guide tells us not to help the poor. There are certain Universal fundamentals that even channeled beings are not entitled to negate.

Believing in channeled beings is just that. "BELIEF". You are free to believe whatever you want, obviously. But please do realize it is a matter of faith. It doesn't matter how impressed you are with the channel, that isn't proof. Good feelings are not proof. The only "proof" is someone who has a 100% accuracy in predictions. Since that has never happened, there is no Proof. Just your faith and belief in these entities.

Am I stomping on your beliefs? I don't think so. I am stating facts. If stating truth and facts is not allowed in ASAH, it is not a very healthy space.

If you are reading more into it, that's your interpretation.

And no, I do not resonate with every channeled entity that is posted here--that's a broad-brush of a statement. There are times I do not agree with a channeled entity's statement, and when that occurs, I say nothing.

Of course you have every right to express your opinion. And so do I. And I did: My OPINION is that Matthew was making a statement about Obama that I (again, operative word--I) agree with. I tried to clarify what he was saying in my post, but my subject line was saying that if someone does not agree and does not like Matthew, I would not insist that they change their mind. That was the ENTIRE content of my post.

I will now leave it at that, WS, because I choose not to fight with you. Peace.

I think everyone here tries their best to allow others to follow what they deem best for themselves. Looks to me like you are telling MG what she thinks.

I took it as a preface to what she was going to say rather than a response to what anyone else said.

I don't think that anyone other than you would consider my response to be in any way whatsoever a "snotty reply". There was absolutely nothing "snotty" about it.

Also, please don't tell me that I am not to respond to anything that you post. That's not your decision to make for anyone else.

Another drama grab?

Why don't you reply to the post that got you out of sorts instead of bringing it to another thread.

And that's what you are doing here.

You do not know the history here, and I'm not going to explain it to you. I think you are bringing a grudge from another thread to this one. That's against DU rules. So, please stop it.

I think if someone was responding to me on a thread here the way you have been with IHAD and MG, I would hope that someone would ask it to stop. I have seen you do this before and I don't think it's right behavior. And as I am talking about what's happening on this thread, I think you may want to review the rules here yourself.

And I am aware of your history with the 'PC incident' and all that nonsense from July. This appears to be a separate issue as it involves your responses on this thread and your ability to remain civil.

So it's okay for you to be a bully to interfere in something you perceive as a bully incident? hmmm

Like I said, you DO NOT know the history.

ps. I do not care what anyone 'thinks' of my behavior. You are not in my skin. Your judgments only indicate your own guilt.

First off - what did you kick?

And your reply is truly odd.

;)

One day you may be able to see how the way you use words like "fact" and "truth" is upsetting to people. Not the words, but the way they are used. In the meantime, peace on you, as best I can manage it.

the pattern of behavior that has emerged time and again -- with every important decision from appointments right out of the block to specific critical desicions -- leaves me with the belief in something other than naivete on Obama's part. I won't list the issues here because they're all over GD, GDP, and the Economy forums, and not appropriate in this one. Whether there is a gun to his head or total hypocrisy I will reserve comment and judgement on.

My very first thought, on reading the article, was that it was aliens and that they were coming here because of climate change, they were shooting for Copenhagen, but ended a little off course. THEN, after reading some of the snarkier comments, I read the actual Matthew message.

So maybe they weren't coming here for Obama's peace prize. It makes a lot more sense to me that they'd be concerned about our climate change problems.

Don't snark at me for posting that, okay?

We want to make one (on a much smaller scale) for our haunted house next Halloween. Here are a few links:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orH4eBjWFaA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W90IRsM3yl4&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlWueZ7FnZg&feature=channel

These are projected onto fog created by a fog machine. I suppose you could do something similar on a larger scale with either fog or clouds.

Remember, he's a lighting and sound tech as well as a dj.
He said that as far as he knows this would have required a larger array/several mirrors; so that point of origin for the light would have been spread out to several points or would have been larger.
He says it's been bothering him for a day or two, because he's been going over it in his mind to try and figure out how to re-create it and he can't figure it out. It's freaking him out.

that supposed appeared near the Kremlin a day or 2 after the vortex? Were the videos a hoax? If not, that obviously seems somehow related to this...

coming from the ground on the far right. It's just barely visible in the OP image.

:shrug:

hard to say from the phots how close it comes to the ground. But a projection beam was the first thing I thought of on viewing too :shrug:

I've been thinking about this. They wanted to stop the chatter so a failed missile launch is their cover. I guess I could be convinced but that doesn't quite fit.

It is probably some sort of semi secret technology. They either wanted to test it, or they were trying to send a "message".

In no way, shape or form do I feel that this is some sort of extraterrestrial message.

Anyway, just put this answer down as "speculation", because I really have no more idea than the rest of us. Honestly this would be better in the science forum, *if only* they would speculate and guess.

Oh, Richard Hoagland thinks it is an example of "torsion physics"-- HAARP type activities combining with the plasmas in the ionosphere to produce those effects.

Honestly, the whole thing is fascinating--way more interesting than Tiger Woods' sex life. I don't know why there isn't a lot of coverage on this.

especially given that within a day or two after the spiral, the large tetrahedral UFO was videotaped hovering around the Kremlin. has anything more come out about that...was it proved a hoax? I don't expect their police to admit to calls about it...or even for people to call their police about it. But were there multiple witnesses and videos from different sources at least?

It's odd that they denied it was a missile...and then so quickly admitted it was a missile. It's hard to tell with their government whether it's normal governmental secrecy or something especially secret. But you'd think if they wanted to cover something up they'd simply let the alien speculation continue...

It certainly seemed entirely too perfectly symmetrical and too perfect all around to be a failed launch. I saw it described by someone as a wormhole. I presume nobody has ever actually seen a wormhole, but it certainly looks a lot the way I'd expect a wormhole to look, lol. It also made me think of what many shamans see when they tunnel into the underworld...

I am reminded of the numerous stories of UFOs over various US and USSR nuclear instillations during the hottest part of the cold war by the UFO over Moscow. Maybe Russia did something, or tried to do something "odd" which created the spiral effect; which someone thought they needed a "time out" for, so to speak.