Ah another dream

this one is recurring... and I think it is just stress, I hope it is stress.

Nuclear bomb goes off in DC wiping out most of the government. Either Hillary or Pelosi become POTUS, due to succession...

It is recurring, and it goes on and on and on... oh and those missing nukes (which I am not sure if they recovered or not) are involved in this. Included are elections including initiatives for states to leave or stay in the Union, with a very high voting threshold...

Yes it is weird and I hope it is just allegory.... or just stress over all that is going on.

That is nearly too horrific to contemplate..

Late last night, while doing some heavy duty thinking, I gave in to the sense I've had for a long time of the very dark forces, nearly in the form of a many headed hydra, arrayed against Pres Obama and the Dems.

And I thought, what can I do as a single person?

It came to me that at least I could direct strong positive thoughts of strength and goodness towards the sense I get of awful darkness against him. I am not a person practised in this, being newly retired from a medical field.

This morning, I was so surprised to wake up from a dream having just given Pres Obama a big hug :) I had to reach away up to give him a hug! He seemed so thin and so in need of our hugs and best wishes..

I do think the deep forces of darkness we sense are very real. And as crazy as it sounds something I'm going to try is to concentrate often on pushing positive forces towards Pres Obama. Very strong positive forces towards him..

In fact, to make them stronger, I will just have to get back on the treadmill and build up my strength to increase my contribution... Because we in the northern aspects can get wimpy on exercise because of the frosts :)

I'm joining you in this.

Warm :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: for you, and supportive, positive hugs for President Obama.

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You have been an inspiration to me many times while scanning DU pages..

I am new to this, but I get the feeling that Obama stands nearly alone against this extremely dark force and we must do all we can.

Thank you for your positive answer... it gives us all strength :)

Sometimes it's so frustrating to watch, and one can easily feel helpless and become disheartened, but you've reminded me there IS something we can do. We can contribute our positive energy - and I do believe that accounts for something. I'm going to gather my positive energy and focus it towards President Obama and the Dems.

I'm still learning.. but will try with all my heart :)

We should never underestimate the power of sending "the good guys" energetic support! :)

Welcome to DU, Nenagh! :toast:

I used to have nuclear war dreams all the time--a result of being a Cold War baby and coming of age in the '80s, I guess. I am grateful they are out of my psyche's repertoire now.

However, I did have a modified version of one last night, myself. In the dream I was asleep next to MG Jr., who must have done his usual 2 a.m. journey into "the big bed", then I got up and went out into the hall. Mr. MG stuck his head out of the next room, the one we call the "litter box room"--probably a baby's bedroom or a trunk room at one time (no closet), but where we keep the cats' litter boxes now--and he said "We're contaminated" or something similar.

He pointed to a sensor on the wall in the room; I don't know what it was measuring, but the number was over 1,000, which apparently was bad. He said we had to leave the house. I was less worried than he was. We packed a few things and drove westward. Stopped for gas before leaving our village. I got out to pump the gas instead of him; there were dozens of pumps (more like small hoses coming up out of the island) and I couldn't figure out which one to use and I couldn't get the one I finally chose to work.

Interestingly enough, nobody else was "contaminated"--everyone was going about their business. And there was some sort of entertainment inside the gas station, so when I went in to sort out the issues with the pump and to pay, I was treated to a very happy musical number. So maybe it was just our house...? :shrug:

I hope it's you fully accepting the deep level of disaster this country was in back in '08 that was just the tip of the iceberg.

The very few times I've had disaster or war dreams, there was a disaster or coup happening in another part of the world. From your heading, I know you've had dreams like this before. But did any portion of it come to pass?

I know how you feel. When Bush took power the first time, my husband and got into disaster prep mode and haven't really stopped since :hug:

You know it is bad when krugman's speaks of blood in streets in the NYT...

"The Great Unravelling: is Bank of America Done" It is somber reading..

I live in Canada, tho was 'born in the USA' and can only hope that the disasters spawned by Cheney/Bush excesses.. can be fixed by some miracle. But this looks uber difficult..

Best of luck to you all.. so many at DU, DK etc, have fought so long and hard. It is difficult to keep going at times.

Take Care, and apologies if I interrupted this thread, nadinbrzezinski.

and it will drag Canada and Mexico along, sadly.

but the last I heard the national crime rate (FBI stats) is not even as high as it was last year - if that's what Krugman is talking about. This summer, for San Diego County, Sanders/SANDAG reported violent crimes are way down - but you know bank robberies did not slow down - I think the old Geezer Bandit is still out and about :eyes:

But really, Nadinbrzezinski,I think maybe it's the stress of bottling up the anxiety of the world at large. And it needs to be released one way or another :hug: :hug: :hug:

all day, here and there.

Nadinbrezezinski is referring to this Krugman article:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x9607350




Here is my perspective, being a layperson and not nearly as well-versed about these things, but paying attention to how people react to...everything.

I'm a fan of Krugman; I'm not a fan of Alan Simpson, certainly not.

However, I most definitely didn't interpret his quote above as him (consciously, at least) being bloodthirsty for violence and destruction. Instead, I interpreted it as more of a "just wait, they're gonna get theirs; it's gonna get really ugly." (Meaning, politicians in general not governing and facing real consequences.)

Sure, it's all at our expense, no doubt about it. But this Krugman article, and people quoting Simpson, seems to mirror the drama we complain about in M$M every day.

We don't need M$M any more to fan the flames. WE ARE DOING IT.

I guess it comes down to what we often part ways about here at ASAH periodically: do we subconsciously want or assume that the only way to move forward is through absolute destruction and devastation, in order to build anew, or can we fathom creating anew WITHOUT absolute destruction and devastation?

Can we even fathom it? If not, why? Is it a lack of faith in humanity...regardless of what has happened in the past and the cycles we've witnessed?

Can we not fathom visionaries coming up with solutions? Can we fathom supporting those visionaries, without tearing them down every step of the way as being delusional or not facing reality?

I know that in most people's heart of hearts, they don't want suffering, for themselves or other innocents caught in the web of others' greed. Yet it's hard not to sometimes feel as though there are many -- stemming from their own frustration and anger about situations that seem largely out of our control -- who WANT destruction in order to get to change. Lashing out in anger at TPTB, but with our own destruction as the result.

There is indeed a bloodlust there, imho, but I don't claim to understand it. It feels like a form of self-sabotage, to not be able to conceive of imagining a better world and instead conceding defeat, yet many see this "defeat" -- the destruction of everything -- as winning, even if there is much suffering involved.

I suppose it's just one of the many aspects of human nature.

To me, that is destructive. A very destructive aspect of human nature.

Thanks for that analysis!

it comes down to this... when any people are reduced to the lowest level of Maslow's hierarchy of needs, people die.

And I think Krugman realizes that as well, at a very intellectual level.

In a very tin foil hat manner, the TSA nudy scan is a way to get things in position... for when we the people have had enough. In a way we have come full circle to the mid eighteenth century. The Fourth Amendment came from their equivalent measures.

First of all, I want to ask if it's different as to who becomes President, Hillary or Pelosi, in different dreams, or if you just can't quite tell which of the two it is, but it's definitely a woman?

I also used to have nuclear war dreams on occasion growing up. While they are scary, obviously none of them has been remotely prophetic. Several years ago I had one in which nuclear war had broken out and my oldest son (about ten at the time) was apparently caught in it, because I knew he wasn't coming home, knew he was dead. The younger son(about six at the time) sought shelter in some kind of mass shelter thing, but we were all doomed. I kept on looking in my younger son's eyes in that dream, devastated that I could do nothing to save him.

The boys are now 23 and 27, and nothing at all like that has ever happened. I think dreams of this sort are just a way of our subconscious writing and producing a little movie of our fears and anxieties. Your fears are by no means unfounded, and your subconscious is just going off with the most extreme possibility. Not terribly comforting, but that's what I think.

and in some of them we ended up helping with the resulting mess... that is wishful thinking... though hubby could be recalled.

but a metaphor for Washington becoming less and less relevant in the governance of our country. I believe states will start becoming more powerful than the federal government in the future. Unfortunately, it's what the conservatives want, but those of us who live in states like California that have the resources to maintain a stable government will thrive, however, the poorer and more conservative states will become like third world countries and the rich states like California will become refugee centers for those people who are looking for a better life. Although we will still have something that is loosely considered a federal government, its power will wane in favor of the states and certain states will rise to the top. Our massive debt at the hands of the Republicans will have to be dealt with and as a nation we may become bankrupt or have to inflate the dollar so much to pay off the debt that the dollar will become useless.

Anyway this is how I kind of interpret your dream. There might be a female President, either Nancy or Hillary in our future but mainly the Presidency will become a figurehead for international diplomatic relations with little power left in the executive office for domestic issues. Now for those of us who believe that there are many possible futures, it doesn't have to be this way. You are probably tapping into one of our possible futures, but regard it as a warning. It's up to us to make the changes that will prevent this scenario from happening. How, I don't know. However, maybe that answer will also come to us in our collective dreams.

Especially states becoming more powerful that the fed. I was listening to an interview of Gov. Christine Gregoire of Washington State this weekend. She's the new chair of the National Governors Association who were meeting in Colorado - both Dems and repubs with former governors.

She was very adamant about one thing, that smacks directly on what you're saying when asked about implementing health care overhaul, including the planned expansion of Medicaid?

"Gov. GREGOIRE: There isn't a governor here that doesn't understand if we don't get our arms around inflation in health care, we're never going to be able to spend money on education, which is our priority. So we're trying to work together now. How do we get that done? What's our vision of how to make it happen? How do we implement health care in a way that we want it done in the states, not the way that maybe somebody in Washington, D.C. wants it done, 'cause we believe we know best what will really work on the ground.

You know, we're very fortunate, candidly, to have some former governors who are members of the cabinet. And I am absolutely convinced that Secretary Napolitano, Secretary Vilsack, Secretary Sebelius are doing a great job with the administration of talking about partnering with governors. Because we don't have the luxury of saying we're going to print more money. We have to have a balanced budget.

So rather than a cookie-cutter approach, give us flexibility to implement, whether it's health care, whether it's economic development, in a way that meets the needs of our states."

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=131487654

Thanks for posting.

there is a "nuke" going off in slow motion in DC. We are in the midst of the worst constitutional crisis since oh 1859...

Yes Mr. Kyl just made it very clear.

That nuke is the party of No... and well... where this little nuke will end up is a good question... but these guys and gals are engaged in a very legal coup attempt...

So there... it was allegory after all...

Yes, after I figured it out, it stopped.

Can you direct me to the Kyl incident/statement you mention here? Thanks. :)

I always value your opinions and insight, nadin, though admittedly don't always understand them. But, there is a lot I don't understand. ;)

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http://www.tnr.com/article/politics/79148/start-treaty-obama-kyl-nuclear

In a glowing way...look at the graphic too

after all, Your interpretation is the most important.