For stress relief (sort of) Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes' astrology.

Alright, I know this isn't the sort of thing this forum usually indulges in, but I did see a Michael Jackson thread a while back (which I found fascinating, even if it was not directly related to government/political stuff) so I thought I'd give this a shot. The Tom and Katie gossip gets weirder every time I look for it. I'd love to know what our readers here are predicting for this pair as a couple. I personally, amateur that I am? See the relationship as one that while it has a small measure of potential for some positivity after the inevitable bitter end, is going to blow up as the kind of trainwreck that makes me hate that there is a child involved. I also think that there is a real danger that one of these three parties could be seriously harmed in this process.

Tom: July 3, 1962; Syracuse, NY, 3:06 p.m

Katie: December 18, 1978; Toledo, OH 9:32 p.m.

A note about my own impressions, especially of the composite horoscope I made of them as a pair: a few months ago, a good friend of mine shared a prediction about where Tom Cruise's career was going (this was just before Mr. Cruise got mixed up with Katie, incidentally). He said he felt that while many folks look on Tom with a mixture of pity and revulsion because of how closely he has entwined his life with Scientology, this guy actually thought that the "Entertainment Tonight" Saga of the Year we would all be watching some April night in 2010 would be titled, "Tom Cruise: Escape from the Scientologists," and that Tom would probably manage to make some sort of a career comeback out of his eventual return to the world outside the CoS. Strangely, that scenario sounded slightly plausible to me, despite how deeply burrowed in with the Church Cruise appears to be now. I half believe his relationship with Katie could be the catalyst that gets Tom started on this process.

I try to spend as little time thinking about Tom Cruise as I possibly can. But I wondered if they already knew that Katie was pregnant when they announced the engagement. And I wonder if Katie's pregnancy was a prerequisite for marriage to Tom. I'm certain it has become very important to him pass on his superlative DNA to the world. Poor Katie. If she ever does try to get out I don't think he would let her have managing custody of any of his children.

About the idea that Katie being pregnant was a prerequisite for the marriage. That would be fascinating, if disturbing, if true. I always thought that she found herself unintentionally pregnant via her old boyfriend, and some friend of a friend knew Tom was looking for a woman (ASAP) to participate in his obvious scheme to be married and produce a child with someone as his "proof" to the world he isn't gay. My take on it is she was in a situation she didn't want to be in, engagement to him improved it and that was that.

The thing that horrifies me about what Katie Holmes is doing? The impression I get is that she thinks this arrangement is "no big deal." That the Scientology stuff is just wacky scenery. That she can "handle" them. It's possible she looks at the weirdness as just sillyness, instead of the danger that it is.

I've heard that she was brought up Catholic and changed to Scientology when she met Tom.

guess is that she was artificially inseminated and they had to see if it worked. I always thought it extremely odd that Cruise "allegedly" dumped Mimi Rogers because "she" couldn't have children, while he had his affair with Kidman. Immediately on marrying someone else, Mimi got pregnant. Nicole never had any natural children with Tom, and it is alleged that the miscarriage she had after being served with divorce papers , wasn't his. I don't think Cruise is gay, but something doesn't make it possible for him to appear to father children. I read once that his "religion" didn't encourage this for whatever reason. Anyone know anything about that? Also the tabloids were always stating that he had "weak runners" if ya know what I mean!

I've read that he wanted to join the Cult of Scientology because of the "cure" they offer for homosexuality, which I would guess involves a ton of suppression therapy, conditioning, reprogramming, etc. It probably interferes with whatever ability to have sex with women he can conjure up. Don't you know about the lawsuits he's had to file against all of the male gay porn stars he's slept with? For Tom, everything in his life, including continuing to offer himself up to the Co$, is about covering up his gay identity, hence the desperate attempts to have a child as "proof" he isn't a big, fat, gay man. The Scientologists only discourage their non-celebrity members from having kids (which would lessen the hold the cult has on those members as the children would naturally become more important to the members than the Co$). They do everything they can to keep their cash cows happy. Incidentally, what I read about Nicole Kidman's miscarriage was that the pregnancy which ended had occurred through in vitro using Tom's sperm, as part of their ongoing attempt to have a child. He filed for divorce because they were approaching their tenth wedding anniversary, and after ten years, California law would have made Kidman entitled to half of Tom's estate, no matter what happened. The Church of Scientology, even with its crack team of vicious, highly-paid scam artists lawyers, couldn't find a way around that, and it was unacceptable to the cult members that someone else be entitled to more of Tom's money than they were. I have no idea what role the actual divorce papers played in the end of her pregnancy, but I do know that at one point, Tom's lawyers attempted to get their hands on the products of conception as a way of trying to prove his DNA wasn't involved so that they could claim Kidman had committed adultery (I think they were trying to smear and/or blackmail her to keep her from spilling secrets about the Scientologists or possibly to mess up whatever alimony/child support arrangement she would seek). In the end, their petitions were dropped, I assume because the developing fetus had been genetically Tom's.

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I knew he was a weird guy and the whole thing was wacky but not that wacky. I didn't know he had sex with gay porn stars. I am a strong empath and can highly sense things from people (mostly emotions of course) and you can sense it with Tom. I do feel bad for him and I also think he's doing everything for his career. In showbusiness to be successful you have to be able to be macho and have sex scenes and romantic stuff. I'm sure it'd be hard to look like you're enjoying kissing someone of the opposite sex when you'd rather do so with someone of the same sex. I do remember when reading about the whole Katie/Tom thing feeling very weird about it.

Maybe both. So who was the pinch-hitter?

I think Katie is young & naive & has no clue what she's getting into. I feel sorry for the kid.

My impression is still, as I've posted, that she thinks she's playing them. Which is...so stupid.

I'm not sure. I think it could be a bit of both. On Katie's half she probably is trying to play them and just go along with everything. I found it rather strange how she changed her religion from Catholic just shortly after they "came out" as a "couple." Usually things like that take a long time don't they? Either that or Katie wasn't that big of a follower in the Catholic church and was more-so just brought up in it.

Everyone keeps talking about how Holmes is a kid, but I was surprised to see her birthdate in the OP.

She's almost 27. Hardly a kid.

Naive, maybe, but not a kid.

She has no idea what she has gotten herself into. It's not immaturity, but it is over-confidence. My impression is that she thinks they're just polite, clean-looking, semi-weird followers of certain kinds of New Age spirituality and homeopathy. "No big deal, I'll just have the baby, we'll raise it together, I'll have to put up with the Scieno stuff for a while, (at least we'll be rich!) we'll split up eventually, I'll get custody and then get my career back on track. I was married to Tom Cruise and I have "Tom Cruise's" child, that will make me A-list by-proxy!" She doesn't know anything about what other women who've been married to the Scientologists' cash cow have been through (it is rumored that both Nicole and Mimi Rogers are still subjected to harassment, surveillance and threats by the CoS) after getting mixed up with those psychotic opportunists. It's. A. Cult. Tom Cruise is it's celebrity human-credential. Even if Holmes "leaves," she'll never leave. Don't think Katie's thought that over with anything like a serious attitude.

When I read your post I just got the strongest sense of a ) Dejavu and b ) that he is just wanting children. I do think he cares about Katie but maybe not as the wife or something. I just pick up strange vibes.

BlueIris is not unethical!

of anyone using their chart. I have always followed this canon of Astrology, and I don't think this is appropriate here.