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Mandate My Ass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-05 08:37 AM
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Serious question about entity/poltergeist?
Edited on Mon Dec-05-05 08:38 AM by Mandate My Ass
Ok, I'm a little freaked out this morning but I thought if anybody could help (you guys have been most kind in the past) or advise me it would be the DUers here.

Here's what happened. My son is staying with me for a about month while he waits for his new apartment to be painted and renovated. Last night we had a mock argument over the bathroom clashes we've had in the past few weeks. He jokingly said "None of your dilly-dallying tomorrow morning, woman. I need to be in the bathroom by 7:00 sharp."

So at about 6:50 this morning I got out of the shower and wsa brushing my teeth and I noticed the doorknob slowly turning back and forth. I couldn't tell how long it had been going on because there was no sound. These were full turns in each direction and a hint of pressure would have opened the door but it stayed closed. It would be just like my son to play a practical joke on me so I started laughing and said "It's not 7:00 yet so stop your nonsense."

It stopped dead. I opened the door at this point and nobody was there. He sleeps in the attic and the door is at the opposite end of the hallway and there's no way he could have run back that quickly. His door was slightly ajar so I peeked up the staircase. No sign of him.

I walked halfway up the stairs and asked him if he was awake and had been downstairs. He wasn't and hadn't. I said I think someone is in the house. He got a baseball bat and we searched everywhere, closets the whole works. We were calmly talking to each other the whole time. Everything was still locked from the inside.

Suddenly it dawned on me that the dog would have barked if anyone got in the house and went upstairs. She's very territorial. I went looking for her and she was under one of the living room end tables. To say she was terrified would be an understatement. She was crouched in a way I've never seen before. Her tail was tucked way under her belly, she had a terrified look on her face and she was shivering violently from head to toe.

I had to crawl under the table to get her to come out and it took me at least five minutes to soothe her. She did eat her breakfast but she was not a happy camper when I left the house.

The only explanation I can think of is this was some kind of supernatural event, and not the good kind. This has never happened to me before. The funny thing is I have done so much healing and growing in the past 8-9 months I feel almost like a new person. I have a new liberal circle of friends who I get along with very well and my shrink even kicked me out a few months ago. It's been fun having my son back in the house again, even temporarily.

What I'm trying to say is that there's hardly a hint of negative energy that I can think of that would draw something like this to me or us. Is there something I can do to determine what it was and if it's still there? Can I get rid of it or do I need to consult someone "professional" about this?

Any thoughts, comments, suggestions, advice would be most welcome. Thank you in advance.

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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-05 04:22 PM
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1. Sounds interesting
Have you tried smugging? I'd also suggest putting a shield around you, your son and the dog since you feel it's a negative entitity. You can tell the spirit to go away and strongly and sternly. Let them know they don't belong there and to leave your home. If they don't leave the spirit might need help and is trying to get your attention. If you are going to talk to the spirit becareful and protect yourself. If you're not sure what to do or you don't want to do anything by yourself a New Age store might be helpful in helping you if you have one in the area.
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Mandate My Ass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 03:17 AM
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7. What kind of shield, FA82?
I will do anything possible to prevent another occurrence. Although I was freaked this morning, I'm not so much now. A turning doorknob is a pretty tame event. And when I said "stop it" it did. But I am not sure how to protect myself so I will seek advice in local occult cirlces.

but the dog is another story. She was terrified and is likely more sensitive to the type of entity than I am.

I know a great new age store where I buy my tarot suplies. Thank you so much.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 08:22 PM
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13. Just a spiritual shield around yourself
Edited on Tue Dec-06-05 08:22 PM by FreedomAngel82
If you need help ask your guides. I beleive the whiter the shield the more powerful it is. And yes animals are naturally more sensitive to your average human on spiritual matters.
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Bluestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-05 04:51 PM
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2. Sounds like a poltergeist
I've had a few encounters with a few entities. As in the previous post, smudging will help, white candles lit in the house will too.

It's important to remember that they can't hurt you, just scare you. It takes a lot of energy to turn the doorknob for them, but they can't hurt you. Surround yourself with white light.

Do you live on a property that has a history? Or, more likely, did your son recently live on a property with a long history? Or has someone passed over recently that you or your son know? Sometimes entities follow people around, not places.

If you can muster the nerve, have a conversation with this entity and ask him or her what they want. My late father-in-law followed my husband to five different houses because he was worried about my husband's mother and he wanted to tell my husband what to do about her. I talked to him all the time, but he would not leave. His energy was very sad and he was affecting my husband's mood. I finally got him to hang around outside instead of inside the house but he would not go to the light until his wife passed over. Then, together, they gave us the message that they were OK and moving to the light by rattling a picture of them we had on a table for about 15 minutes one day.

I also had an experience at a seminar I attended in the house where several of us were staying. A man who used to live on the property started making doors slam and so forth. I think he was attracted to our energy because we were doing spiritual work. That could be why this particular entity is attracted to you, if you've recently been doing some work on yourself. Best of luck.
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Mandate My Ass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 03:26 AM
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8. A history
Edited on Tue Dec-06-05 03:43 AM by Mandate My Ass
Do you live on a property that has a history? Or, more likely, did your son recently live on a property with a long history? Or has someone passed over recently that you or your son know? Sometimes entities follow people around, not places.

The former couple who lived here moved in when the house was built in the 1930s. There were no other owners until us. THe wife was an invalid and died first. The husband lasted another year and died in the house on the same day my husband and I got married.

I remember when I first moved in an noticed what a talented gardener she was. I always tried to keep the plants she had planted intact. An elderly neighborhood woman said that the late Mrs. K would have liked than another gardener had moved in and not only had not taken her plants away, but was taking care of them. :shrug:

I don't know the history of where my son stayed, but as he pointed out to me, the "poltergeist" or whatever it was, seemed interested in me.

The only thing I can think of is for the first time in years I'm considering selling the house. Just a woman and a dog in a four bedroom house seems silly. However, if the spirit wanted me to stay that was a funny way of showing I'd be welcome there.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 08:24 PM
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15. Sometimes spirits do anything they can
to get your attention. Even sometimes scaring you. Just whatever works. They might not mean you harm.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 08:23 PM
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14. You can also get a crystal
Protection crystals. If you have a New Age store there they'd help you find the right kind.
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-05 06:18 PM
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3. Have there been any other disturbances in the house?
If there haven't, I'm not inclined to say this is a poltergeist. I like the opinion in the post above me, that the disturbance is the result of spirit who has recently crossed over (not necessarily someone you knew, but could be). The only thing to be concerned about in my judgment is the scared pet. Doesn't necessarily mean the entity is malicious, but, well, if I were you, I'd err on the side of caution. As someone who has recently gotten hip to the joys of smudging--something that for me, is a powerful way to ward off negative energy--I'd say, get yourself some good sage and smudge away! I've also found that a pinch of sea salt in all of the house corners after I'm done with the smudging is helpful at keeping negative energy out of my house for longer periods of time.
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Mandate My Ass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 03:29 AM
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9. Smudging = burning sage?
I've heard of burning sage for multiple purposes. I'll definitely try this. Yes, my shivering dog was really the only thing that caused me to think this spirit is not a happy one.

Thanks.
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Mabus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-05 08:41 PM
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4. Some "local" groups for you to contact
I clicked your profile and saw you are in Pennsylvania. I don't know where but here are some Pennsylvania ghost hunters I located doing a quick search on the internet.

http://home.supernet.com/~rfisher/pghs.html The Paranormal Society of Pennsylvania

http://members.aol.com/Rayd8em/ Philadelphia Ghost Hunter Society

http://www.strangehappenings.methyus.com/ The Strange Happenings Ghosts And Hauntings Research Society Website (Erie, Pennsylvania)
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Mandate My Ass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 03:31 AM
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10. That's most helpful. Thank you
I'm not sure I should wait for another (maybe worse) event to call, but it certainly would be helpful to get their input.

That helps a lot, Mabus. thank you very much.
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Mabus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 05:23 PM
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19. You might give it a try
I'm worried because the dog was freaked out. Animals are great about sensing things and if the dog is worried I'd look into with some pros. Take care of you and your son.
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MidnightWind Donating Member (428 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-05 09:35 PM
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5. Smudging?
What is smudging? I feel like I'm asking a stupid question but I honestly don't know what it is.
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Mabus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-05 10:30 PM
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6. Smudging is
like a cleansing smoke bath. My people use braided sweetgrass and/or sage sticks or cedar. Traditionally the smudge stick was lit by fire from the cooking pit. These days we light it from the backyard grill after cooking a meal to help preserve the connection to the cooking pits of old. My family usually puts on a camp coffee pot so we can sit around have coffee, smoke and talk afterwards. Smudging has been adapted in a variety of ways and is used by many today. The method of smudging and who does it is as varied as those who do it. In old times the practice was performed by certain individuals depending on the need. For example, in some instances you might want the elder matriarch to conduct the smudging for family or personal blessing reasons but would call in a medicine man for other reasons. It is not uncommon for there to be "rounds" of smudging just like the "rounds" when conducting a sweatlodge or peyote ceremony. Each round, or session, is done for different purposes. Today, most people will go through the area being smudged in one pass.

In any case someone lights the smudge material and then proceeds through the area to be cleased. How or what is done during the smudge is usually left up to whomever is conducting the smudging ceremony. Most often people will offer prayers, ask for spirits to leave or ask for cleansing. I've seen people do all kinds of things when they are smudging. It just depends on the training, background and beliefs of the person doing the smudge.

I found a website with some information for you: http://www.asunam.com/smudge_ceremony.html
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Mandate My Ass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 03:46 AM
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11. Thanks for that
The only other thing I've ever noticed in teh house is a sometimes sad/angry male presence. I think the husband grieved terribly for his wife when she died. But I only got vague perceptions of this and nothing was frightening about it like this morning.

Hopefully, the smudging will work. Thanks all for your help.

I'm sending light to everyone.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 08:26 PM
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16. It could be him
Edited on Tue Dec-06-05 08:27 PM by FreedomAngel82
Is there anything you have of their's where you can pick up a presence and sense whether or not it is them? It's of course easier to tell in person but I think it might be him. Do you sense just one or two spirits in the house? It might be the husband looking for his wife. Remember that serveral different years can seem like a day to a spirit on the other side since they don't have time. So if nobody has lived in the house in a long time they might not know what year it is etc.
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Mandate My Ass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 12:08 PM
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17. I have sensed only one presence. I think it is the husband.
But I've never sensed any negative vibes from him. From time to time, I feel a male presence enter the room and then eventually move away. At times I convinced myself I was imagining it because I read somewhere that if someone dies in their home, their spirit is more likely to remain there.

Once I thought he felt very frustrated/upset, but that was a while back. I didn't sense him at all (or anything) when I opened the bathroom door. So far, no recurrences but I admit I was a bit afraid to go upstairs last night when I was home alone. I have to do something.
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MidnightWind Donating Member (428 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 07:17 PM
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12. Thanks for the explanation!
I've been fascinated by the paranomal since I was. . . well, my entire life. My entire family are believers and I've seen and experienced many unusual things in my life but smudging was new to me. Thanks for the link!
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Mabus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 04:50 PM
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18. There are probably lots of links out there
that you can easily find by searching the net if you're interested in learning more. I'm grateful that most of the things I know are from my upbringing. Unfortunately I should have paid more attention back then because every once in a while I have to go ask one of my grandmothers why something is done a certain way.

My family is full of believers mostly because we seem to have a lot of stuff happen around us and it seems to come from both of my parents. I spent years trying to shut this stuff off but have recently decided to accept it, work with it and see where it takes me. I'll just see what happens.
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MidnightWind Donating Member (428 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 09:01 PM
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20. I remember being astounded when I was a kid to find out
that my fellow classmates didn't believe in spirits and signs and psychic dreams/flashes. It was just a given in our family. By that age (I was probably 8 or 9) I'd already had several psychic experiences and a couple of ghostly encounters. I couldn't comprehend that my classmates had never seen or experienced the things I had. I've wondered in the years since if I've had the experiences I've had because I honestly possessed some special talent or if all of us possess these talents but that some of us are just more aware of them than others. Whatever the case might be, I'm very grateful that my family (we're of Irish/Welsh/English decent)shared their stories and experiences with me and had the attitude they did about them.
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Mabus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 01:24 PM
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23. My theory is
that we are all born open and, as with all other things, we are each born with varying degrees of talent but we are taught to filter out some things that aren't nescessary for our survival as humans.


We all use filters to make sense of our world. Otherwise our senses would be bombarded and we would be unable to function. As a child we are taught this. We begin to use filters to ignore background sounds and learn to focus on our caretakers (parents, grandparents, siblings, etc.). We have to because it is part of how our species survives. We are taught to learn by observation and visual cues. To pick up on the social aspects of your environment you need to be attentive of those around you. How many times do you see a child looking off into the distance and the caretakers are trying to get the child to focus on them? Kids are praised if they pay more attention to caretakers than the rest of their environment so they begin to develop filters. Filters are useful and necessary for survival. If we focus on the what the caretakers are doing we learn language, we learn what to eat, etc. What I think usually happens is that as children develop they subconciously find that the more paranormal talents aren't necessary for day-to-day survival. They either lose these talents because of lack of use or because it wasn't very strong to begin with. Then there are some kids who put up filters because their caretakers tell them that they are just being silly. These kids are encouraged to block out their talents because they aren't displaying acceptable behavior. The stronger the talents the harder they are to supress so some people just ignore it when they have an experience.

Also, and maybe it is just me, but it seems like most people I know who have some paranormal talents are also abstract thinkers. They are more able to think both within themselves and without themselves. What I mean is that people with paranormal talents have retained the ability not to focus on their surroundings. They've remembered how to be "in the moment". They go into trancelike states when they are thinking of something that has caught their interest. They are more likely to "lose themselves in thought" and let the filters they've put into place fall away. As the filters fall away the ability to visualize problems becomes easier. It's this ability to concentrate and allow free flowing thought in focused abstract direction that allows us to go into theta mode and drop the everyday framework (filters) we've constructed to make sense of our lives. Think of someone who is engrossed with a problem. Most people will think of conventional fixes but (as I see it) people who retain some of their natal paranormal talents are able to "think outside the box", or at least see the situation a little differently than the average person. They can see both the minutae and the big picture at the same time and it makes sense. They keep healthy levels of creativity and use them on a daily basis.

Finally, like the ability to sing, the degrees of paranormal talents that each of us are born with varies. Some of us are able to rub our tummies and pat our heads at the same time. Some of us can't. If you aren't born with a talent or possess little natural skill or enjoyment with it then you aren't likely to try to develop it. You also won't be able to know the joys and sorrows of it.

I don't know any answers but, as you can tell, it is a topic that I think about from time to time. I also spend way too much time thinking about the "Aquatic Ape Theory".
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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 02:17 AM
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28. never heard of the Aquatic Ape Theory ...fascinating!!!
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Mabus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 02:50 PM
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29. Isn't it?
I heard about some time ago and found it interesting then. Glad you found it fascinating.
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 08:25 AM
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26. Random question about smudging...do you have to open windows?
'Cause, I don't want to always. Is it necessary to open windows and doors in an area that is being smudged?
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Mabus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 07:21 PM
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27. I hope not
because if it is a requirement then my elders and family have been doing it wrong.
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 05:18 AM
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21. still freaked out?
Have things others said made you feel better? If not, let me know. I can try to help.
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Mandate My Ass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 11:15 AM
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22. Nah, I'm OK, thanks.
I guess there's a first time for everything and that was mine. Everybody who responded gave helpful advice and when it comes down to it, when I said "stop it" it stopped, even though I didn't know who I was talking to at the time. It still strikes me as odd though that it happened right after we talked about sharing the bathroom, as if it was waiting for an opening to make itself known.

Also, I wonder if because I've been healing so much emotionally in recent months, I'm more 'opened up' to such things. I was pretty withdrawn before.

Fear is the mind killer.
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 04:14 PM
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24. Glad to hear it!
You may have "called" something to you. However, I am sensing it was more something to do with you. Perhaps in your openness, you are also unleashing your own energy, which would also explain your dog's reaction, as he was unfamiliar with the 'new' you he was seeing. Since you comforted him and reassured him, he will not have that issue again.

I don't think you "attracted" anything, I think you "awakened" something in yourself! :)
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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 06:03 AM
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25. Polts just hit me too. I was freaking out. Try sandalwood.
A month of mysterious happenings in the middle of the night, windows breaking, things falling off shelves in the pantry. Our lights flickering and burning out one after another. Even my non woo woo husband asked me if someone had hexed our house!

I have a very good friend who is a psychic channeler. She told me it was poltergistic type energy from my 9 year old, who is a leo rising, scorpio moon, with lots of anger from past issues (I adopted her when she was three years old from an abusive situation).
Friend told me to put a dish of water on a east wall, burn sandalwood. I also did some healing meditations with my child.
Everything is now calm for the most part, lights still flicker a bit but that is all.
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