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get the red out Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-11 01:51 PM
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Our species wasn't ready to get "here" so fast
I have been pondering something lately and almost can’t get it off my mind, it has to do with what I perceive as the human inability to care for its offspring; strange that I, a happily childfree woman, would become so involved in thinking about this. I keep wondering how our species has survived, since it appears we are ill equipped to even properly nurture our own offspring. I see the greed and selfishness in people in general, and the specific stories of people totally without conscious who torture and kill animals and people. I know that people are much kinder to their offspring now than they once were (and people aren’t doing such a bang-up job NOW either), at least from the stories my Grandfather told me. He said that severe whippings were the norm in raising children when he was a boy in rural Kentucky in the early 1920’s. His parents weren’t gentle and did not spare the rod, but several cousins ran away to live with them because their father used a horse whip, which was much worse. And I see the results in my own Mother from being whipped with limbs from trees by him. It seems that human beings have had more of a propensity to torture their children than to nurture them, producing very broken societies, in my uneducated opinion. When I look at societies around the globe and in our historic past I see such horrible results from abusive practices that have become ingrained in cultures; and “western” cultures are neither immune nor alone. It appears to me to be a species-wide problem. But I found information on the evolution of child rearing in the “Western” world: http://www.kindredcommunity.com/articles/from-horror-to-hope-the-evolution-of-childrearing/p/975 and the author describes the treatment of the young as more horrible the further back you go in western history.

I Googled an article that makes some sense in the long term history of humans, it was in “Science Daily” about a year ago: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/09/100921163709.htm The story discusses how hunter/gatherer child rearing practices produced much more psychologically balanced people, and people more capable of compassion. I am not surprised about this at all, the article also says that today’s practices promote stress that floods infant’s brains with toxic chemicals. No wonder no one is calm and depression and anxiety are the order of the day!

Human beings spent 99% of our history as hunter/gatherer societies. It seems to me that the more we changed from that the more violent we became. Then when we started making technological jumps things started getting even more crazy as we moved further and further from any instinctual child rearing knowledge due to harsh circumstances and dictatorial religion.

I personally believe that we haven’t internalized our rapid change in circumstances as a species. I also believe that we may have been pushed along in some of these changes by “outside” influences both genetically and technologically. I do not believe the human species has dealt with this fast pace very well. The society we have now is a result of a long history of producing mental illness as “normal”. Babies aren’t thrown into rivers or beaten as a matter of course now, but we have yet to come to terms with the fact that we weren’t emotionally prepared for where we find ourselves as a species.
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Ricochet21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-11 06:06 PM
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1. Bravo
You got it right on. And, we never MET each other until Pluto went into Sagittarius in 1995 (the year of Windows 95) thru 2008.
What you said makes total right on sense to me! Thanks.
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get the red out Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-11 06:41 PM
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2. Thanks Rick
Oh my, Windows 95! It also occurred to me that a commoner like myself didn't even have easy access to enough information to see if anything had been written that meshed at all with anything rolling around in my head at any given time before computers and the internet.

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Kind of Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-12-11 05:35 AM
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3. Excellent insights, GTRO.
After reading and the readings at the link, I still come away believing we are exactly where we're supposed to be. I didn't know how to express it until I just viewed a video by Charles Eisenstein on kind of an unrelated topic - money, in which he says "I believe that humanity is entering into a stage of adulthood." We must go through it, the economic crisis, the healthcare crisis, the ecological crisis, the energy crisis, Eisenstein says, and I include the "inability to care for our offspring," as related to the other crises, as "coming of age ordeals" that we "must pass through" to enter the state of adulthood.

As a teenager species, I don't think we can internalize our rapid changes as fast as we are growing, but we are beginning to. I guess it's literally growing pains.
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get the red out Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-12-11 09:06 AM
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6. I need your optimism
I'm a pessimist regarding humanity, I hope this will change in me. We are doing much better than in the most recent few thousand years. Maybe some of us are figuring out how to bring in more of our soul as we incarnate?
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Kind of Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-12-11 10:20 AM
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9. Hey, we strike a good balance
here between pessimism and optimism! I think both are necessary in moving forward :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Myrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-12-11 08:15 AM
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4. Somewhat disagree ...
Edited on Wed Oct-12-11 08:16 AM by Myrina
... if earlier (and still some contemporary, but remote) societies - the hunter/gatherers and the matriarchial-oriented societies were/are more 'family oriented' and more nurturing of offspring (and nature, and a spiritual life) than we are, that points to something specifically going off the tracks with "us" (defined as male-centered war making capitalist carnivores) than with humans as a species.

Like we were on the road to becoming a peaceful, thoughtful species and someone/something turned a sub-group of us petty and mean.
Struggle for resources? Climate changes? A proverbial 'group of (Neanderthal) playground bullies' who took over? I dunno.

:shrug:
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get the red out Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-12-11 09:03 AM
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5. I agree
Edited on Wed Oct-12-11 09:05 AM by get the red out
I agree with you completely. (One of the best books I ever read was "When God was a Woman".) I also believe we were developing as a species should for it's best overall interests then were thrown off track (which came first, chicken or egg, I don't know). I just think we somehow started moving to fast technologically along with (caused by?) the insanity that ensued by generation upon generation making its children mentally ill. War people getting bigger and better war toys, yikes!

I think of the mainstream image of the "Crone" or "Witch", and also the fears so many societies have had regarding women. The popular image of the evil witch or manipulative siren closely matches the various manifestations of Borderline Personality Disorder in women. The best way to create someone with that disorder is to abuse them as a child. Males who develop this disorder often become criminals and are removed from society. Women go on to manifest frightening and manipulating personalities as a survival mechanism and end up abusing their own children; perpetuating the sickness. Abuse enough women, create enough sick women and maybe you want to crunch females even further under the patriarchial boot. Just a thought. I tend to reside in left field, I will admit.
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WhiteTara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-12-11 09:10 AM
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7. One of the theories I have heard made a lot of sense
During the earliest communities the worst punishment was banishment from the community. Generally teen age males would be the ones who would be so outside they would be the ones banished. This started societies outside the commmunity and would explain stories of stolen women from those times. The banished ones carried anger toward the community and time passed and they came back as marauders and enemies and conquerors of the community.

And that is why the Goddess was murdered. I also think the annual killing of the king might have had some opposition.

Of course, all this is only conjecture.
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Howler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-12-11 12:41 PM
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14. Seems to me that.
Edited on Wed Oct-12-11 12:41 PM by Howler
The Patriarchal God and stern gods of punishment seem to be created by people who lived in harsher climates.
Jehovah and such started in the desert regions.

The gods created in say...Hawihe or India, and even the American indians are all more temperate environments.
How people relate to each other and perceive God,and society seem to directly relate to the climate and terrain.
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OneGrassRoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-12-11 09:35 AM
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8. Post in GD along similar lines:
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get the red out Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-12-11 10:26 AM
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10. Interesting!
I agree completely in what the OP in that thread said. It is all so troubling. I keep hoping for hope for our species.
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GliderGuider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-12-11 10:36 AM
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11. I see analogies behind every tree
Edited on Wed Oct-12-11 10:54 AM by GliderGuider
One of my teachers says we spend the first half of our lives leaving home and the second half trying to find our way back. When seen in that light, there are some interesting parallels between our development as physical individuals, spiritual beings and as a species.

The following are my personal reflections on that process, and may not be shared by everyone.

As physical individuals we start out at ease in the world as infants, helplessly embedded in a personal world that is defined by the immersive attachment to our parents. Then starting around the age of six or so we begin the long process of moving outwards into the world. We strengthen our physical and mental skills, expand our knowledge and become more competent at changing the world around us. This mid-life period is often marked by growing materialism.

At some point usually around 50 and 60 we begin to turn inward again. We seek to regain the sense of intrinsic worth and connectedness we recall dimly from infancy – a feeling of belonging that has been put aside in the struggle to shape our lives in the outer world. As we reflect on our lives we may find we have damaged our environment – especially our relationships with friends and family – damage that may need to be repaired as part of our journey.

As spiritual beings, we start out feeling at one with everything – immersed in the oceanic experience (or non-experience) of the infant. We gradually discover that we are separate from our mothers, and out of that more or less traumatic realization grows the ego. As our interface to and protection from the outer world, the ego becomes determined to control all that chaotic stuff “out there”. The ego becomes so good at control that many (most?) people never transition to the third stage of spiritual adulthood.

The third stage is the return to the immersive oneness, but this time with full consciousness rather than the infant’s undeveloped awareness. As we travel this new path, we may find that in our previous unconscious state we have done spiritual damage to ourselves and the world around us. The damage may have been caused by our unawareness or even rejection of the sense of the sacred. In order to continue on the path we must try to repair that damage.

It’s pretty clear that the drivers of spiritual development are similar to the drivers of our physical development.

As a species we began our development as hunter-gatherers, foraging nomads of various sorts. During this time we were more or less immersed in nature – a part of it rather than apart from it. Our connecting practices as families and communities mirrored this fundamental connection to the natural world, enabling our survival even though we were still a relatively unskilled, un-knowledgeable species.

At some point in our distant past, we began to develop greater self-awareness, whether though simple learning or the gradual evolution of our neo-cortex. As we became self-aware, we gradually realized that we were separate from nature – in much the same way that we recognize our separateness from our mothers as infants. Out of this grew a new understanding of ourselves not just as participants in the world but as agents of influence and change.

As our knowledge and competence grew we shifted from simply moving through the world to actively shaping it to our desires. Through our invention of agriculture, then technology, then money, we developed tools to leverage our impact on the world, each other and ourselves. This period started about 10,000 years ago, and has lasted until today. It has been marked by a steady growth in materialism, a fear-driven need to control our environment, and a pervasive, growing sense of alienation, disconnection and unsatisfied desire.

That period is now being brought to a close by the converging pressures of our own growth. We are running into limits on the world’s resources, the destruction of much of the environment, and psychosocial stresses due to the complexity of the civilization we had to develop to support our continuing growth.

As this chapter in our species' history closes, there are many signs that another is beginning. I see humanity as a voracious all-consuming caterpillar that has reached the stage of maximum size and is preparing to pupate. Just like the caterpillar, pools of imaginal cells are appearing in the body of humanity, carrying messages of imminent change. As the time of change draws closer, more and more imaginal cells appear and the faster the process unfolds. Those cells are the awakening ones all over the world. They are us.

If the metaphor holds, human civilization may shortly enter its chrysalis phase. For usa, like the caterpillar, this may be a time of autolysis – of self-digestion – in which the body of our civilization is reduced to its most basic elements, in preparation for its reconstitution as a butterfly. To many people, especially those who remain stuck in the materialist “early adulthood” phase of spiritual development, this time will look like dissolution, collapse, anarchy, the living death. The imaginal cells will know differently, and will celebrate the transformation.

In preparation for the transition, to make it possible, we must address the damage our species has done to its home. We must try, each in our own way, to mend the physical and spiritual wounds we have inflicted on our sacred world. To the extent that we can do this, the passage of our species into the next phase of its existence will be eased.

What colour of butterfly will emerge from this miracle of metamorphosis? The caterpillar cannot know. It has no need to know. The caterpillar just needs to move in alignment with the call of the universe and its own nature.

Destiny will take care of itself.
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kimmerspixelated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-11 08:01 PM
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19. This is one fantastic response!
I got goose bumps! I agree with every point you made. Yes, let's be a multi-colored butterfly and cause an effect!
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GliderGuider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-11 08:58 AM
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20. Thank you, and a more direct response to GTRO's OP
Edited on Fri Oct-14-11 09:01 AM by GliderGuider
When I first stepped into this spiritual world I remember being intimidated, confused and resistant. I was leaving the "modern" materialist paradigm, and the doorway between worlds was a Stygian tunnel of despair. The entrance to that tunnel back in my old world was my recognition of the sort of species-wide violence GTRO talked about in the OP. It was very hard to think of our violence against each other, our children, the life that shares this world, and against the world itself in any way except as a fundamental flaw in our nature. It appeared as though we are broken as a species and as a result will be forever barred from Eden even as we dig our tunnel to Hell by gouging into the body of our Mother the Earth.

Because I was a thoroughgoing materialist, my mind could not accept that there was a subtle body to Life itself, but luckily the call from my heart proved stronger than my beliefs. Like so many other people these days (and more every day) I'm now spending a lot of time figuring out What's Really Going On, and sharing what is finally starting to make sense to me. In the process I'm beginning to understand what my inner eyes are telling me about the miraculous landscape of this New World.

The error that led me into despair was that I underestimated the power of our stories. We're not broken, we're just telling deeply mistaken stories about who we are as beings. Luckily for us and the unfolding consciousness of the universe, stories can change in an instant - as they have so many times already. When our story changes our worldview shifts, and our old ways are set aside in favor of new ways that are in more harmonious alignment with The Way Things Are. I'm now convinced that humanity is at a point in our development where our story is changing.

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So, in direct response to GTRO, I don't think our species got here too fast, nor are we locked in a straitjacket of technology and genetics. I understand that view completely, but I think it is evidence of the same error I made in my previous lifeworld. These feelings mark the opening to that tunnel I spoke of. If we move into the tunnel despite the fear and despair, if we surrender to the quest for awareness and understanding, and we hold fast to the idea that consciousness is the true and universal miracle, we will catch the glimpse of unfolding wings.

Never, ever underestimate the power of a story.
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OneGrassRoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-11 09:09 AM
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21. Two beautiful posts.
Thank you...:hug:

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Howler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-12-11 10:55 AM
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12. DAMN.
Edited on Wed Oct-12-11 10:55 AM by Howler
Read your article Get The Red Out then went over to GD and ran into this.....


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x2101968

I have no words.
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get the red out Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-12-11 01:06 PM
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15. My God
Certain Fundamentalist Christian sects in various African countries killing children for being "demons" (or charging their parents HUGE sums for the exorcism), and now THIS!

Put that with the baby beating/killing of the day on my local news........
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Howler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-12-11 03:38 PM
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17. Hug
Edited on Wed Oct-12-11 03:38 PM by Howler
:hug: :cry:
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Ricochet21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-12-11 11:33 AM
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13. I am simply
overwhelmed by it all
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OneGrassRoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-12-11 02:11 PM
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16. The excerpts of an article I just posted here sum it up for me:
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get the red out Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-12-11 03:42 PM
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18. I agree! Individualism isn't freedom
"Rugged individualism" isn't the freedom it's made out to be, it's the curtain to hide behind when you're enslaving someone (or many someones) else.
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