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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-04 04:59 PM
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73% of doctors in poll say miracles can happen
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73% of doctors in poll say miracles can happen

By MEG JONES
mjones@journalsentinel.com
Posted: Dec. 21, 2004

If anyone believes in miracles, it would probably be the people who see the entire range of human life from birth to death regularly - doctors.

So perhaps it's not surprising that an overwhelming majority of physicians say they believe that miracles occur.

In a national survey of 1,100 physicians released this week, 74% said they believe that miracles have happened in the past and 73% believe they can occur.

Whether it's a terminal patient making a full recovery, someone waking up from a coma or a girl surviving rabies, doctors say they have seen things their scientific background and medical training cannot explain.

"Sometimes despite what we do or in spite of what we do, people get better, and I think they get better because of the hand of God," said Mushir Hassan, an internal medicine specialist at Elmbrook Memorial Hospital who is Muslim.

Carl Olson, a radiation oncologist at Columbia St. Mary's, has treated cancer patients for almost 30 years. He has seen his share of things he can't explain.

"If you define a miracle as something that happens beyond scientific and medical explanation, there's no question in my mind there have been events that have happened over my many years as an oncologist that defy explanation," said Olson, who is Protestant...cont'd

http://www.jsonline.com/alive/news/dec04/286243.asp


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Angry Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-04 08:40 PM
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1. Definitions and context are important....
First of all, the context is Western-trained doctors, who know next to nothing when it comes to treating chronic diseases, compared with the huge fund of medical knowledge gathered by other cultures, like Traditional Chinese and Ayurvedic medicines.

U.S. doctors are almost totally ignorant about Qi. And most of these doctors are not trained to cure anything: They are trained only to suck money out of the sick.

Secondly, the guy at the end of the article defines a miracle as "something that happens beyond scientific and medical explanation." Again, whose science? Whose medicine? Paul Revere might have thought that a defibrillator was a machine of god or . . . the devil.

When confronted by things they don't understand, why do these arrogant educated idiots never stop to consider it might just be their ignorance of the world?

I hate Western medicine. It's such a fraud.
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DemExpat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-04 09:20 PM
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2. I love some aspects of Western Medicine
like my son's emergency surgery for testicular torsion (twisted testicles, excruciating pain and possible sterility) a few months ago.....

For my emergency surgery after my first -born tore my perineum clean through :-(....

Stuff like this.

For other, more chronic health issues, I have found alternative treatments to work better, far less expensive, and without any side effects.

Certainly miracles occur!

:hi:

DemEx

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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-04 09:28 PM
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3. western Doc's are great mechanics for sure
but a lot weaker on the chronic/lifestyle issues
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DemExpat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-04 07:23 AM
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5. Yes, never thought of them as mechanics...but its a good description.
:D

DemEx
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Angry Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-04 09:33 PM
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4. Surgery, yes.
Hi, expat! And my, my, my! You have both been through some *terrible* pain! So sorry!!!

And I'm not doubting miracles, btw. I'm just not sure what one might be at the moment. I don't think it's what these doctors are necessarily defining within their limited world.

Have a Merry Christmas!
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DemExpat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-04 07:24 AM
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6. Merry Cristmas to you, too....
I also think they do see the miracles that occur, but have no idea what they might entail...

:hi:

DemEx
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