check this out

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x171988

;)

just beginning to discover...isn't it grand?:woohoo:

I love it!

I was just thinking earlier that folks like us, who try to take a more positive view of things, are "infiltrating" the mainstream (ie, GD) more and more, and I think it's great. Yeah, there are those who will stomp all over us, but I think there are more who will be open to this.

Thanks for pointing this out, rumpel!

Ready with the links, you are! :D .. thanks for sharing

Seems like those who disagree read a lot of their own thinking into their analysis.
heh. And it doesn't work?

And of course, they'd go out of their way to try and prove you wrong, all the while doing the opposite! :7

Rupert Sheldrake and many scientists have those "traditional" fossilized brains to deal with

http://www.sheldrake.org/D&C/controversies/

I find that there is no other major group than the academics that fight more over their theories. In the 80's I went to the first conference on the El Nino effect with the Japanese quasi government tv station to cover the story, it was in Long Beach. It was soooo funny how one guy at the podium was showing slides about volcanic activities and co-relating it to the El Nino effects, and one guy in the audience, another professor of some sort, started attacking his theory. And that was pretty much across the board.

Come to think of it, for those people to agree on global warming must be 300% conclusive...

I was also thinking whether I should put Noetic Sciences site up there - but that may have been a little early.

Dean Radin's "Entangled Minds"



When science begins to churn with unexpected developments and tolerance for new ideas, breakthroughs are often lurking over the horizon. The consequences of such revolutions are not fully appreciated until long after they've occurred, but one thing is certain: Just as modern science propelled the world into the nuclear, information, and genetic engineering ages, the pregnant postmodern era is likely to introduce radical changes in everything-- from our daily lives to the dynamics of global society. One topic likely to change is science and society's view of the paranormal, that uncertain realm just beyond the reach of science but perpetually alive within our experience.
One element of the paranormal--which I will refer to as entangled minds--is, I believe, on the threshold of transforming from paranormal to normal. I envision that the process may go something like this:

The growing pressure to develop workable quantum computers is rapidly expanding our ability to create ever more robust forms of entanglement in increasingly complex systems, for longer lifetimes, and at room temperature. Existing techniques like "entanglement purification" and "coherence repeaters" will be further enhanced, and our understanding of what entanglement means and how to use it will advance rapidly.

Someone will ask, "I wonder what it would feel like when my brain is entangled with the outside world? Are mind fields bioentangled with the rest of the universe?

First, pairs of photons, and then photon-atom pairs, and then atoms will be successfully entangled in the lab. And then triplets, quartets, and ensembles of atoms. And then macroscopic systems. Pairs of entangled photons will be shot through metal sheets and remain entangled after they punch through to the other side. Photons will remain entangled after being transmitted through miles of open atmosphere. New forms of entanglement and robust, long-lived quantum coherence will be discovered. And then it will be proposed, and confirmed, that certain forms of entanglement extend to virtually everything in the universe, since, as far as we know, everything emerged entangled out of a single, primordial Big Bang. This grand entanglement is nonlocal, extending throughout time and space, suggesting that, despite everyday appearances, we live in a deeply holistic reality.

http://www.shiftinaction.com/node/122

I tried to post that image...

so - you'd have to go there to see it..:)

btw we now have a collection of those professional debunkers and their background in one spot

http://www.skepticalinvestigations.org/whoswho/
and this comment by Dean Radin is must read for those who want to put some rationale into this debate

The Conscious Universe: The Scientific Truth of Psychic Phenomena
by Dean I. Radin
Harper Edge, ISBN 0-06-251502-0

I am attacked by two very opposite sects - the scientists and the know-nothings. Both laugh at me - calling me “the frogs’ dancing-master.” Yet I know that I have discovered one of the greatest forces in nature. - Luigi Galvani, Italian physicist (1737-1798)

This chapter does not argue against skepticism. On the contrary, it demonstrates that critical thinking is a double-edged sword: It must be applied to any claim, including the claims of skeptics. We will see that many of the skeptical arguments commonly levelled at psi experiments have been motivated by non-scientific factors, such as arrogance, advocacy and ideology. The fact is that much of what scientists know - or think they know - about psi has been confused with arguments promoted by uncritical enthusiasts on one hand, and uncritical skeptics on the other. History shows that extremists, despite the strength of their convictions, are rarely correct. So, are all scientists who report positive evidence for psi naïve or sloppy? No. Are all skeptics intolerant nay-sayers? No. Does psi justify the belief that angels from the Andromeda galaxy are among us? No.

Doubt
There are two ways to be fooled. One is to believe what isn’t true; the other is to refuse to believe what is true. - Søren Kierkegaard (1813-55)

snip
http://www.skepticalinvestigations.org/guide/field_guide.htm

reports that the PEAR research will close :(

but it is not because of interference but the researcher says it's time...but note the article - very much influenced by those very closed minds...

A Princeton Lab on ESP Plans to Close Its Doors
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/10/science/10princeton.html

but I think, The Global Consciousness Project will remain - as it is officially a Noetic Sciences Project (Radin/Nelson) only housed at Princeton, and even though it evolved from PEAR.

http://noosphere.princeton.edu/