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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 10:40 PM
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Astrologers: Can Sharon & Abbas Shepherd Peace ?
Edited on Sat Feb-19-05 10:44 PM by Pallas180
King David Revisited Feb 8 , 2005 by Pallas180

February 8, 2005 was a historic day: for Israel, for Palestine, and possibly for the world.

The two protagonists. Sharon and Abbas faced off – on either side of a conference table, accompanied by Middle East Kings and Presidents and aides seated on each side. They agreed to stop killing. each others’ peoples. The undeclared war called an "intifada" had killed a known 4700 men, women, and children in the past four years.

While the world took a deep breath and slowly exhaled at this news, the terrorist organization Hamas announced its disagreement with the leaders of the four countries and to continue their war of death to innocent civilians (violent Pluto conjunct Mars in the 6th sextile the South Node in the 4th).These are the people who bomb weddings and restaurants, bus stops and school buses and cars, and send Palestinian children who haven’t reached their teens yet, wearing bomb belts, into Israeli checkpoints. If they have made any point it is that life even of children has no value to them.

Early reports of the meeting were that the mood was jovial and smiling and there was even laughter. Later reports were that the two hour meeting between Abbas and Sharon was very serious and business like. Much will depend on whether Mr. Abbas can control Hamas and stop those Palestinians who are determined to continue killing.

The first AP report of the accomplishments of the meeting came at 8:30 AM Eastern Time on September 8 2005. Since Egypt and Israel are 7 hours ahead at EETime, that time in Israel would have been 3:30 in the afternoon .Sharon made his speech after the two hour meeting beginning at about 3:30 PM. News reports show a picture of Sharon and Abbas shaking hands over the conference table, but no time is given.

The first time Sharon was in Sharm El Sheik he was there as a victorious conquering soldier when the city was captured during the Sinai war in 1956. Forty Nine years later, at a 7th Saturn cycle the soldier offers to give back what he took .

Relative to Jewish history, how ironic that Sharon the sheep shepherd became a general and then leader of his country.

Déjà vu.

David, the shepherd boy who slew the giant and became King of his country, revisited.

Sharon identifies with the shepherds as illustrated by a conversation he had with one of the Palestinian aides. When Sharon found out the man was also a sheep shepherd, he told him "If you are a sheep shepherd, then you can’t be all bad" .

Allowing time for niceties and the reported invitations offered by Sharon that Mubarak and Abbas visit Sharon at his sheep ranch in Israel, I am using the time of 3 PM EET at Sharm El Sheik, Egypt for the historic agreement and handshake taking place.

The chart is drawn for Sharm El Sheik, Egypt, 3 PM EET –2:00, 27 N 51, 34 E 16, Tropical Placidus.


MC 8 Aries
Ascendant 18 Cancer with Saturn rising 21 Cancer Rx
IC 8 Libra and the Star of Vindemiatrix with Jupiter conjunct South Node in the 4th house.
5 planets in Aquarius

It’s an unusual chart .
Saturn is rising and is the ruler of the 7th. The seriousness and cautiousness is apparent on both sides – and yet they are each other. Perhaps for the first time each could see and understand the other side through Saturn both being in the Ascendant and the ruler of the partner-opponent . Saturn and Capricorn is the earth, the land, and Cancer rising is the same: home, roots. At the same time that this charts exhibits understanding of each other, all of the Saturnian tone could bog the participants down in the past, the waaay distant and Karmic past.

Nevertheless, Jupiter in the 4th squares the 18 Cancer Ascendant and Saturn rising showing a generosity exhibited in this meeting…a generosity of land, even though it means a loss of the same with the conjunction of Jupiter to the South Node in Libra. Yet both Jupiter and the South Node in the 4th house are in Libra, indicating the generosity and loss is in the spirit of peace and harmony.

The long Karmic pain over homes and land (Chiron conjuncts Venus in the 7th ruling the 4th house )lingers as Saturn opposes Chiron in the 7th . Exchange of lands, moving and changing lands was spoken of in this meeting (Venus conjunct the Moon in the 7th.)

Once past the Chiron wound, and with the discussion of the land "changing" (Venus conjunct the Moon trined by Jupiter) it would seem apparent that the mood of the meeting became warm and hopeful (Venus,Moon,Neptune) and a meeting of the minds of both sides took place, and both easily understood, intuited without much further conversation, the road they would follow ( Moon conj Neptune, Neptune conj Mercury, Mercury conj the Sun all trine Jupiter)..

Truly with 5 planets in Aquarius in the 7th and 8th houses this is a serious humanitarian effort .

One fly in the ointment of this chart is that Saturn rising is in Sesquiquadrate to Uranus in the 8th. , which may be indicative of a sudden sharp and shocking loss of one of the participants, further indicated by Vindemiatrix, the Star of Widowhood on the 4th house Cusp.

Another annoyance is the resistance of the terrorists indicated by Pluto Mars (hidden army) in the 6th. The Pluto/ Mars is semisquare Chiron in Capricorn. They just don’t want to let go of the old wounds. And underhandedly will continue to try to urge more hatred and violent actions especially in the young. Some of it they will succeed at, and some they won’t. Many of the young people will be pleased with this transformation ( Pluto trining the 10th house North Node) not only for themselves but for their own children.(Pluto rules the 5th house)

This chart says this agreement has a good chance of success if it is not derailed by the death of one of the participants .



From AP:

"Meeting in an Egyptian resort following a new US peace push in the region, Sharon and Abbas said it was time to end the cycle of violence which has claimed some 4,700 lives.

"We have agreed with the prime minister to cease all acts of violence against Israelis and against Palestinians wherever they are," Abbas declared at the summit in Sharm el-Sheikh on the palm-fringed shores of the Red Sea."The calm that is currently prevailing in our territories signals the start of a new era, the start of a hopeful peace," he added.

Sharon, in Egypt for the first time as prime minister, said he was ordering a complete cessation to military activities against Palestinians."We have an opportunity to turn our back on the bloody path imposed on us over the last four years," he said. But he cautioned that it was a "fragile opportunity" for peace, saying there were still "extremists" waiting to derail the process.

The Islamist militant movement Hamas, responsible for the majority of attacks during the intifada, dampened some of the optimism by declaring that it was not bound by the ceasefire announcement.Abbas's declaration "expresses only the position of the Palestinian Authority. It does not express the position of the Palestinian movements," said Hamas spokesman Mushir al-Masri.

The meeting between the two leaders was the first top-level summit in more than four years, putting the seal on a growing rapprochement which began with the death of Sharon's old enemy Yasser Arafat on November 11.

Sharon's spokesman Raanan Gissin revealed the premier had even invited Abbas to his farm in the Negev desert although there was no confirmation the invitation had been accepted.The two men were pictured shaking hands amid a generally jovial atmosphere at a summit hosted by Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak and also attended by Jordan's King Abdullah II.

And despite the optimism generated by their meeting, Sharon and Abbas steered clear of some of the most contentious issues, such as the final borders of any future Palestinian state and the status of Palestinian refugees.But another sign that a new era in the Middle East is emerging came as Egypt's Foreign Minister Ahmed Abul Gheit announced that Jordan and Egypt would be returning their ambassadors to the Jewish state in a couple of weeks.Egypt withdrew its ambassador from Tel Aviv shortly after the outbreak of the uprising in September 2000 while Jordan did not replace a departing ambassador in protest at Israel's use of "exessive force" against Palestinians.

Sharon also confirmed that Israel would soon release hundreds of Palestinian prisoners. Negotiators have already reached a tentative agreement for the release of some 900 detainees.Despite the optimism, Sharon said: "We must move forward cautiously. This is a very fragile opportunity, one that the extremists will want to exploit. They want to close the window of opportunity for us and allow our two peoples to drown in their blood." He said if the two sides did not act now, the extremists "may be successful in their scheme."

Sharon used diplomatic language to articulate one of his major concerns, that the Palestinian cease-fire – born of an intra-Palestinian agreement and not active steps to dismantle terrorism – might only be temporary. "We must all make a commitment not to agree to a temporary solution, not to allow violence to raise its head, but to act together, determinedly, to dismantle the terrorist infrastructure, to disarm and subdue it once and for all. Only by crushing terror and violence will we build peace," he said. In addition to declaring that Israel would cease all military activities against the Palestinians, Sharon announced what had already been agreed upon – the release of "hundreds" of prisoners and the establishment of a joint committee to explore future releases and the process of transferring security responsibility for Palestinian cities to the PA.

"A new opportunity for peace is born today in the city of peace. Let's pledge to protect it," Abbas said. "




My reading of the peace meeting seems accurate. The Hamas and
Hezbollah will try to continue......but since it was a sextile, I think their activities are diminished rather than a sure fly in the ointment.

What is more problematical is the safety of Abbas. He has taken the brave steps of firing police and generals who are allowing the Palestinians to continue attacks. He may be the person ( Saturn sesquiquadrate Uranus= sudden sharp loss) who may disappear from the peace initiative, which could cause the upset and failure to this peace initiative.

"Officials: Abbas Fires Gaza Commanders"

Thursday, February 10, 2005 12:30 PM EST The Associated Press
By JOSEF FEDERMAN

"Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas fired top Gaza security commanders Thursday, Palestinian officials said, hours after militants fired dozens of mortar shells and homemade rockets at Jewish settlements there, breaking a 2-day-old cease-fire.

An official said on condition of anonymity that Abbas dismissed chief of public security Brig. Gen. Abdel Razek Majaidie, police chief Saeb al-Ajed, three other senior commanders and several lower-ranking officers.

Palestinian Cabinet Secretary Hassan Abu Libdeh said Abbas took "punitive measures against officers who did not undertake their responsibilities, which led to the latest developments in Gaza," dismissing several commanders and accepting the resignations of others.

The dismissals came hours after Abbas ordered security forces to stop militants from firing mortars and rockets at Jewish settlements in Gaza. Despite a cease-fire declared Tuesday, Hamas militants launched more than 30 mortars and rockets at settlements Thursday, causing no casualties or damage.

Militants also stormed a prison in Gaza, freeing Hamas suspects.

"These are very dangerous developments, and they violate the legitimacy of the Palestinian Authority," Abu Libdeh said. "No one can continue with these violations."

Abbas is committed to reforming the competing and overlapping Palestinian security forces. Last month, he ordered that more than 1,000 veteran officers be retired.

The flare-up in violence, which has included the fatal shootings of two Palestinians, has presented the first serious test to the truce declared by the Israeli and Palestinian leaders this week. Abbas will go to Gaza on Friday to tell militants he will not tolerate violations of the cease-fire, Abu Libdeh said.

Israel, which has linked further progress in peace talks to Abbas' ability to control militants, called for an immediate end to the violence.

In a potentially significant concession, Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon signaled in a newspaper interview Thursday that he was ready to release large numbers of Palestinian prisoners involved in deadly attacks if militants halt violence during Israel's planned withdrawal from the Gaza Strip this summer.

Sharon said Abbas stressed during their recent summit in Egypt that the release of long-serving prisoners was a top priority.

"He (Abbas) told me simply that it is a major problem," Sharon told the Haaretz daily.

In the past, Israel refused to release those involved in deadly attacks.

A senior Israeli official said on condition of anonymity that Sharon would consider the release of prisoners "with blood on their hands" on an individual basis.

The newspaper quoted Sharon as saying he told Abbas that if the Gaza withdrawal proceeds smoothly, he would release larger numbers of Palestinians involved in attacks. Israel fears that militants will fire on Israeli troops and Jewish settlers during the withdrawal to portray it as a retreat under fire.

Abbas has deployed thousands of Palestinian troops throughout the Gaza Strip to prevent attacks on Israeli targets. Israel has responded with a series of gestures, including a planned military pullback from five West Bank towns in the next three weeks.

However, the cease-fire remains fragile.

Early Thursday, Hamas militants said they fired 36 mortar shells and 20 homemade rockets at the Jewish settlements of Neve Dekalim and Gedid in the Gaza Strip. Hours later, three more mortars landed in Gedid.

Palestinian security officials said on condition of anonymity that the rockets were fired from areas they were not permitted to patrol.

Sharon's office called Egyptian, American and Palestinian officials on Thursday to express concern about the fresh violence.

"We informed them we expect the Palestinians to act immediately against these attacks," said Sharon aide Asaf Shariv.

Hamas claimed responsibility for the mortar attacks, saying it was avenging the deaths of two Palestinians on Wednesday. One, a Hamas activist, was killed while handling explosives. The second, apparently a civilian, was killed by Israeli troops while approaching a Jewish settlement in southern Gaza.

In the West Bank, meanwhile, Israeli troops killed a Palestinian motorist who sped through a roadblock near a Jewish settlement. The army said the man was driving a stolen vehicle.

Both Israeli and Palestinian officials Thursday accused the Lebanese guerrilla group Hezbollah of being behind the Gaza barrage in an effort to disrupt the truce.

"We know that orders have been issued from Lebanon for some parties to continue and not accept what happened" in Egypt, a senior Palestinian official said on condition of anonymity.

Palestinian security officials said Abbas dispatched an envoy to Lebanon this week to urge Hezbollah to halt attacks. Hezbollah spokesman Mohammed Afif denied Wednesday that the group was trying to disrupt the calm.

In another development Thursday, Israel said it opened a main crossing point with the Gaza Strip, though only a handful of Palestinians were able to use it because of a bureaucratic mix-up.

A military spokesman said as many as 1,000 Palestinian workers were expected to pass through the Erez crossing, but the failure of Israeli employers to provide necessary paperwork limited the total to about 20.

Before violence erupted four years ago, more than 100,000 Palestinians crossed into Israel every day to work, providing a key source of income for poverty-stricken areas.

Also Thursday, a Gaza settlement leader said 150 of the community's 310 families signed a declaration saying they were ready to move to Israel.

Nahum Haddad, a member of the Nissanit town council, said residents were prepared to leave after parliament officially approved the evacuation _ expected later this month. The remaining families were expected to sign on during the next several days, he said.

"We are against the evacuation, but if it goes through then we want leave in an orderly way and stay together," Haddad said.

Settler leaders have voiced strong opposition to the withdrawal plan, which would uproot 9,000 settlers from the Gaza Strip and four small West Bank settlements.

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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 10:43 PM
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1. Shortly after this announcement, posters were put up around
Israel by Israelis threatening the life of Sharon for agreeing to give back land and make peace. Israeli ministers received threatening letters, and a general crackdown has been made on those threatening. The atmosphere in Israel is said to be the same as it was when Rabin, who started the peace process with Clinton and Arafat, was assassinated.
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-05 12:55 PM
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2. HELLOOOOOO ? are there any astrologers
left on here?
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-05 11:53 PM
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3. anybody reading astrology here? any comments? hellooooo
?

Pallas howling in the wilderness. (:
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-05 12:29 PM
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4. Predictive astrology. This seems to be timely now.
:hi:
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